They’re trying to get Ethiopia the fukk outta here...

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Guess this can be the official Ethiopia fukkery thread. This is about the best rundown I’ve seen on the conflict thus far. Western media frankly have a very dismissive and lowkey racist oversimplified view of the situation so illegitimate actors are being propped up while outsiders are wrongly asking for dialogue when Abiy showed so much patience with TPLF for that dialogue that some including myself considered it weak and damn near collaboration for him to twiddle his thumbs while these dusty racist thieves pull strings and create ethnic conflict.

Just a brief history:

TPLF were the guerilla band that, in an alliance with the EPLF of what would later become Eritrea, and the OLF overthrew the former Communist dictatorship of Mengistu Haile Mariam. Meles Zenawi the future PM and the TPLF let Eritrea gain independence but betrayed the OLF of their dreams of their own dream state of Oromia. The TPLF and Meles then went on to dominate the country for 3 decades and centralize power into the hands of a tiny cabal of former soldiers and elites in Tigray region. Lands of vulnerable periphery peoples were sold off to foreign investors despite this supposed line of running a state planned and operated economy. Dissidents were either killed or jailed including many of their former allies. Bear in mind, Tigray people make up only 6% of a population of 100+ million. Of which, an even tinier percentage actually enjoy power and influence. The rest of the Tigray people by and large are on the same average of life standards as everyone else.

The form of government created was ethnic nationalism based which introduced, or in some cases reintroduced, a very racist and fragmented composition of society under the guise of self determination. When in actuality anyone that wasn’t an influential Tigray or TPLF member was on the outside looking in. Moreover, the political setup further emphasized and deepened the fault lines between groups and therefore became very easy to control.

Abiy Ahmed came up within the TPLF apparatus as a soldier and later as an intelligence officer. Growing protest movements a few years ago among Oromo and Amhara youths put pressure on the TPLF to change the face of leadership in the PM seat. Before this, PM Dessalegn was an attempt by TPLF handlers to diversify by placing a southerner (typically a disenfranchised group/region) in the reigns but he didn’t have the charisma or mixed Oromo/Amhara background which is increasingly typical of the country. Abiy ended up getting the mandate and took control.

Abiy has moved increasingly to a Pan Ethiopian model and looks to be changing things from an ethnic-nationalist state to a Unitarian one. This betrays the more extreme elements of the Oromo protest groups which led to many of those same youths to turn on him. Egged on by Jawar Mohammad, owner of the provocative Oromo Media Network based in Minneapolis, whom could easily be compared to Rwanda’s Felicien Kabuga in his use of media to spread a racist, fascist message which encourages genocide of Amhara peoples. This garnered results in brutal ethnic cleansing attacks by Oromo youths, many of whom were paid, in Oromia state against Amharas. Diasporan Black people were also attacked in Shashamane as most of them are Rastas which closely associates with Amhara culture via the Imperial legacy. The irony of course being that the same Oromos being convinced to kill are taking a BLM position against Abiy arguing that stifling them is akin to racism against Oromo peoples.

Now the extremist secessionist elements of the Oromo protest movement, essentially the remnants of the OLF, is aligned with TPLF, their former betrayers, in an attempt to get rid of Abiy and rule their own tiny, economically unviable banana republics. In their minds, the Ethiopian state and Abiy represents a cultural hegemony of Amhara peoples given their past as a politically influential group and threatens to keep them subservient. On the Pan Ethiopian side, the argument is that more division will only bring suffering to everyone and the country is inching closer and closer to shaking off its impoverished reputation and join the fray of middle income countries. In many ways, the Mengistu era was a response to inequalities in Ethiopian society, which were buttressed by American support. The TPLF, rather than deal with these issues, took advantage of these fissures in the social fabric and made themselves a rich political mafia. Now Abiy wants the heads of the cabal either dead or in jail, as do many fed up Ethiopians. But the opposition have their secessionist supporters. Many of whom supported Trump’s reelection since he’s taken an anti-Abiy position on the GERD controversy.
 
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Honestly the fukkery runs deep, it’s alleged that Egypt wants to divert Nile water to Israel and get money for it which is why they’re extra aggy about the GERD project. So the different actors on this stage are both regional and global powers.

They scrubbed the web clean of the video but the Egyptian govt under Morsi in a cabinet meeting discussed using different ethnic groups within Ethiopia to sow dissent and create chaotic conditions to make development projects on the Nile screech to a halt. The TPLF were still in charge at that point which meant sowing dissent in a country ruled with an iron fist would be difficult. Morsi wasn’t even the dictator piece of shyt that Sisi is and Meles never brought the Democratic reforms that Abiy did so it’s safe to say many Ethiopians are at least somewhat aware of what’s going on. Quietly, a great deal of Arab Egyptian people have hated Ethiopia for a very very long time. Makes sense since they hate Sudanese people too and leave their Black population disenfranchised. The feeling is mutual amongst more than a few Ethiopians. Especially after the Morsi tape was exposed.
 
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Honestly the fukkery runs deep, it’s alleged that Egypt wants to divert Nile water to Israel and get money for it which is why they’re extra aggy about the GERD project. So the different actors on this stage are both regional and global powers.

They scrubbed the web clean of the video but the Egyptian govt under Morsi in a cabinet meeting discussed using different ethnic groups within Ethiopia to sow dissent and create chaotic conditions to make development projects on the Nile screech to a halt. The TPLF were still in charge at that point which meant sowing dissent in a country ruled with an iron fist would be difficult. Morsi wasn’t even the dictator piece of shyt that Sisi is and Meles never brought the Democratic reforms that Abiy did so it’s safe to say many Ethiopians are at least somewhat aware of what’s going on. Quietly, a great deal of Arab Egyptian people have hated Ethiopia for a very very long time. Makes sense since they hate Sudanese people too and leave their Black population disenfranchised. The feeling is mutual amongst more than a few Ethiopians. Especially after the Morsi tape was exposed.
I've been following the Eygptian dam thing for a while.

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/eas...and-conflict-situation-is-fascinating.607707/

why do Arab Egyptians hate Abiy?
 

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Sudan braces for up to 200,000 fleeing Ethiopia fighting

Sudan braces for up to 200,000 fleeing Ethiopia fighting
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NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) — Up to 200,000 refugees could pour into Sudan while fleeing the deadly conflict in Ethiopia’s northern Tigray region, officials said Wednesday, while the first details are emerging of largely cut-off civilians under growing strain. Nearly 10,000 people have crossed the border, including some wounded in the fighting, and the flow is growing quickly.

“There are lots of children and women,” Al-Sir Khalid, the head of the refugee agency in Sudan’s Kassala province, told The Associated Press. “They are arriving very tired and exhausted. They are hungry and thirsty since they have walked long distances on rugged terrain.”

Authorities are overwhelmed and the situation is deteriorating, he said.

Inside the Tigray region, long lines have appeared outside bread shops, and supply-laden trucks are stranded at its borders, the United Nations humanitarian chief in Ethiopia told the AP.

“We want to have humanitarian access as soon as possible,” Sajjad Mohammad Sajid said. “Fuel and food are needed urgently.” Up to 2 million people in Tigray have a “very, very difficult time.”

Fuel is already being rationed, and the U.N. refugee agency said it and partners “will struggle to continue running their operations in the next two weeks.”

Communications remain almost completely severed with the Tigray region a week after Ethiopia’s Nobel Peace Prize-winning Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed announced a military offensive in response to an alleged attack by regional forces. He insists there will be no negotiations with a regional government he considers illegal until its ruling “clique” is arrested and its well-stocked arsenal is destroyed.

Ethnic Tigrayans are reportedly being targeted across Ethiopia, the Tigray Communication Affairs Bureau said in a Facebook post. Abiy has warned against ethnic profiling, but observers are alarmed by the development in a country already plagued by deadly ethnic violence.

Rallies in support of the federal government’s measures are planned Thursday in the capital, Addis Ababa, and other cities in the Oromia and Amhara regions, along with a blood drive for the Ethiopian army.

The European Union, the African Union and others have urged Abiy for an immediate de-escalation as the conflict threatens to destabilize the strategic but vulnerable Horn of Africa region. The top U.S. diplomat for Africa, Tibor Nagy, spoke with Ethiopia’s foreign minister and stressed that peace in Ethiopia is “indispensable” for the region, the state-affiliated Fana Broadcasting Corporate reported.

The standoff leaves more than 1,000 people of different nationalities stranded in the Tigray region, while nearly 900 aid workers from the U.N. and other groups struggle to contact the outside world with pleas for help. “Nine U.N. agencies, almost 20 NGOs, all depending on two offices” with the means to communicate, Sajid said.

With airports in Tigray closed, roads blocked, internet service cut off and even banks no longer operating, it “makes our life very difficult in terms of ensuring almost 2 million people receive humanitarian assistance,” he said.

There was no sign of a lull in the fighting that has included multiple airstrikes by federal forces and hundreds of people reported dead on each side. It was not clear how many of the dead are civilians.

“It looks like, unfortunately, this may not be something which can be resolved by any party in a week or two,” Sajid said. “It looks like it’s going to be a protracted conflict, which is a huge concern from the point of view of protection of civilians.”

“Even the physical security of the refugees is at stake, if the conflict expands,” U.N. refugee agency spokesman Kisut Gebreegziabher said. The four camps in Tigray hosting 96,000 refugees are not in immediate danger as the fighting is largely in the west near the border with Sudan and Eritrea, he said.

The refugees at least have more food than usual because supplies for two months, instead of one, were handed out this month as a COVID-19 pandemic measure to limit people congregating, he said. But no one knows how long the conflict could drag on.

“Every global agency, the U.N., is asking for a cease-fire but we haven’t seen any agreement, any willingness to dialogue,” Kisut said.

Ethiopia’s federal government and Tigray’s regional government, the Tigray People’s Liberation Front, blame each other for starting the conflict. Each regards the other as illegal. The TPLF dominated Ethiopia’s ruling coalition for years before Abiy came to office in 2018 but has since broken away while accusing the prime minister’s administration of targeting and marginalizing its officials.

Airstrikes will continue, Ethiopia’s air force chief, Maj. Gen. Yilma Merdasa, told reporters Wednesday, asserting that forces had destroyed weapons depots, gas stations and other targets with “supreme control of the skies.”

Ethiopia’s army chief, Gen. Birhanu Jula, said the federal forces based in Tigray had been encircled for five days and “denied food and water” before breaking out and launching a counteroffensive, the Ethiopian News Agency reported.

It remained difficult to verify either side’s claims. And now some Ethiopian journalists are being arrested, the Ethiopian Human Rights Commission said, calling it a “worrying development.”

Experts have compared the fighting to an inter-state conflict, with each side heavily armed. The Tigray region has an estimated quarter-million fighters, along with four of the Ethiopian military’s six mechanized divisions. That’s a legacy of Ethiopia’s long border war with Eritrea, which made peace after Abiy came to power but remains at bitter odds with the TPLF.

The Tigray president has accused Eritrea of attacking at the request of Ethiopia, saying “the war has now progressed to a different stage.” Ethiopia’s defense minister, Kenea Yadeta, on Wednesday called that “a complete lie.”

Eritrean officials have not responded to requests for comment, but Information Minister Yemane Gebremeskel tweeted that the foreign minister and presidential adviser met in Khartoum with Sudan’s Gen. Abdel-Fattah Burhan, the head of the sovereign council, and Prime Minister Abdalla Hamdok and delivered a message from Eritrean President Isaias Afwerki.

There were no details of the message, but the officials discussed “current developments” in Ethiopia, the minister said.

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Magdy reported from Cairo.
 

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Honestly the fukkery runs deep, it’s alleged that Egypt wants to divert Nile water to Israel and get money for it which is why they’re extra aggy about the GERD project. So the different actors on this stage are both regional and global powers.

They scrubbed the web clean of the video but the Egyptian govt under Morsi in a cabinet meeting discussed using different ethnic groups within Ethiopia to sow dissent and create chaotic conditions to make development projects on the Nile screech to a halt. The TPLF were still in charge at that point which meant sowing dissent in a country ruled with an iron fist would be difficult. Morsi wasn’t even the dictator piece of shyt that Sisi is and Meles never brought the Democratic reforms that Abiy did so it’s safe to say many Ethiopians are at least somewhat aware of what’s going on. Quietly, a great deal of Arab Egyptian people have hated Ethiopia for a very very long time. Makes sense since they hate Sudanese people too and leave their Black population disenfranchised. The feeling is mutual amongst more than a few Ethiopians. Especially after the Morsi tape was exposed.
i hate when people let outsiders turn them into useful idiots to destroy their own people or country.
 

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Pardon my ignorance, but would it make sense to give full autonomy to these regions as states and just create a greater Ethio union similar to the U.N?
 

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Pardon my ignorance, but would it make sense to give full autonomy to these regions as states and just create a greater Ethio union similar to the U.N?

No, part of the TPLF strategy has been divide and rule which is why they held sway for so long despite being such a tiny minority. Abiy is essentially getting rid of the ethnic-nationalist system because it failed to do what you’re suggesting and has in fact made things much worse.

A Pan Ethiopian form of politics is what’s needed imo. Have power more evenly distributed among all the groups as opposed to it being “Oromo candidate wins, Oromos rule” “Tigray candidate wins, Tigrays rule” it’s an absolutely ass backwards system and has been since the beginning.
 

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Honestly the fukkery runs deep, it’s alleged that Egypt wants to divert Nile water to Israel and get money for it which is why they’re extra aggy about the GERD project. So the different actors on this stage are both regional and global powers.

They scrubbed the web clean of the video but the Egyptian govt under Morsi in a cabinet meeting discussed using different ethnic groups within Ethiopia to sow dissent and create chaotic conditions to make development projects on the Nile screech to a halt. The TPLF were still in charge at that point which meant sowing dissent in a country ruled with an iron fist would be difficult. Morsi wasn’t even the dictator piece of shyt that Sisi is and Meles never brought the Democratic reforms that Abiy did so it’s safe to say many Ethiopians are at least somewhat aware of what’s going on. Quietly, a great deal of Arab Egyptian people have hated Ethiopia for a very very long time. Makes sense since they hate Sudanese people too and leave their Black population disenfranchised. The feeling is mutual amongst more than a few Ethiopians. Especially after the Morsi tape was exposed.


Not true, the video is right here and uploaded by a pro-Sisi media , with a title claiming they were agents trying to sabotage Egypt's position vis-a-vis the Dam. There is also a number of videos of pro-Sisi Egyptian TV personalities talking about the video, saying its proof they were working against Egypt's interests and didnt know how to confront the Ethiopia issue.



While I don't think the ethnic self-determination hopes, are sustainable in such a diverse country, I dont see how a unitary vision can be imposed militarily. Ethiopia needs to find a political settlement that finds a middle ground between the opposing views. I don't see a happy end-state where all the powerful currents now unleashed, will agree to go away quietly, because of a military victory.

To also be fair, should have to acknowledge that Abiy benefitted from the exact same ethnic nationalist currents, that he is now opposed. Just look how much the rhetoric has shifted across the landscape over the past few years. I remember many of Abiy's staunchest current supporters, calling him an Oromo trojan horse/stooge. While his former Oromo nationalist supporters, now call him a sell-out, and are making common cause with their previous enemy TPLF. Battle for power means everyone is moving around this musical chair of political expedience.
 
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