They’re trying to get Ethiopia the fukk outta here...

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Not true, the video is right here and uploaded by a pro-Sisi media , with a title claiming they were agents trying to sabotage Egypt's position vis-a-vis the Dam. There is also a number of videos of pro-Sisi Egyptian TV personalities talking about the video, saying its proof they were working against Egypt's interests and didnt know how to confront the Ethiopia issue.



While I don't think the ethnic self-determination hopes, are sustainable in such a diverse country, I dont see how a unitary vision can be imposed militarily. Ethiopia needs to find a political settlement that finds a middle ground between the opposing views. I don't see a happy end-state where all the powerful currents now unleashed, will agree to go away quietly, because of a military victory.

To also be fair, should have to acknowledge that Abiy benefitted from the exact same ethnic nationalist currents, that he is now opposed. Just look how much the rhetoric has shifted across the landscape over the past few years. I remember many of Abiy's staunchest current supporters, calling him an Oromo trojan horse/stooge. While his former Oromo nationalist supporters, now call him a sell-out, and are making common cause with their previous enemy TPLF. Battle for power means everyone is moving around this musical chair of political expedience.


Wow, can’t believe you found it. But reading that Sisi angle just blew my mind. Makes sense too to further demonize Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood.

And yeah, part of my suspicions of Abiy in the beginning came from the fact that he came up within this exact system and gain power through it. The idea of political musical chairs perfectly describes the situation.

@2Quik4UHoes can you expand on this? I'm a little confused since Abiy is Oromo.



Also, who killed Hachalu Hundessa, and is Jawar Mohammad locked up?

@thatrapsfan alludes to it. But his position of a Pan Ethiopian govt means an end to the semi-autonomous nature of the ethnic based provinces. Moreover, he’s half Amhara so he culturally represents mainstream Ethiopian society which for years was Amhara dominant via the Imperial era. So Amharic as the lingua franca and Ge’ez feedel writing system, etc etc. This of course ignores the other cultural elements within mainstream Ethiopian culture such as coffee that have nothing to do with Amharas. For Oromo nationalists, this represents a betrayal by Abiy to align more with Amharas via a mainstream approach. Mind you, during the protest movements that brought Abiy to power both Oromos and Amharas were staunchly united in an effort to remove the TPLF from rule. So again, the musician chairs description is a perfect way to put it.
 

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@thatrapsfan alludes to it. But his position of a Pan Ethiopian govt means an end to the semi-autonomous nature of the ethnic based provinces. Moreover, he’s half Amhara so he culturally represents mainstream Ethiopian society which for years was Amhara dominant via the Imperial era. So Amharic as the lingua franca and Ge’ez feedel writing system, etc etc. This of course ignores the other cultural elements within mainstream Ethiopian culture such as coffee that have nothing to do with Amharas. For Oromo nationalists, this represents a betrayal by Abiy to align more with Amharas via a mainstream approach. Mind you, during the protest movements that brought Abiy to power both Oromos and Amharas were staunchly united in an effort to remove the TPLF from rule. So again, the musician chairs description is a perfect way to put it.
Interesting....why don't Amharas hold more power? Aren't Amharas the most educated and the region with most history/tradition?

Also, any idea bout my other two questions...

Also, who killed Hachalu Hundessa, and is Jawar Mohammad locked up?

Did some bad actors kill Hundessa to further destabilize the situation? Jawar ain't getting out, right?
 

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Interesting....why don't Amharas hold more power? Aren't Amharas the most educated and the region with most history/tradition?

Also, any idea bout my other two questions...



Did some bad actors kill Hundessa to further destabilize the situation? Jawar ain't getting out, right?

Amharas lost influence after Selassie was overthrown. However, the cosmopolitan nature of his and Menelik’s eras made it possible for tribes and cultures to mix more with Amhara culture having a sizable amount of influence. But by and large, Amhara influence is residue from the imperial era. There hasn’t been an Amhara running the country in decades until Abiy who himself is only half.

As for most educated, the wealthy are the most educated class and that goes across ethnic lines. Which is what makes this so complex, every ethnic group has its educated and uneducated, privileged and underprivileged, it’s not as clear as saying all Tigrays or all Amharas when the majority of those groups also live in impoverished conditions.

Many people in the country do believe the Hachalu killing was a plot on the side of Jawar to bring things to a boiling point. All I know for sure is Jawar is probably never going to see the light of day again and given the rapid pace of developments has already become a forgotten afterthought.
 

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First witness account emerges of Ethiopians fleeing conflict

Also just watched an interview with an Amnesty official on Al Jazeera saying eye witness and survivor accounts confirm that bodies that were found hacked and stabbed with what appears to be machetes was done by Tigray police and militias.

He tempered his words much more than Western officials in the past few days calling for negotiations and de-escalation since it’s becoming more clear, as it has been for 30 years, that the TPLF is a criminal element.
 

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Interesting....why don't Amharas hold more power? Aren't Amharas the most educated and the region with most history/tradition?

Also, any idea bout my other two questions...



Did some bad actors kill Hundessa to further destabilize the situation? Jawar ain't getting out, right?

:mjpls: Where'd you hear this?

On a serious note, @2Quik4UHoes is right that wealth seems more dispersed among political elite than activists usually suggest. I went to school with a Harari dude (international student) and the way this dude is living back home is :mindblown: to me, nobody lives better than the politically connected in Africa.
 

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Amharas lost influence after Selassie was overthrown. However, the cosmopolitan nature of his and Menelik’s eras made it possible for tribes and cultures to mix more with Amhara culture having a sizable amount of influence. But by and large, Amhara influence is residue from the imperial era. There hasn’t been an Amhara running the country in decades until Abiy who himself is only half.

As for most educated, the wealthy are the most educated class and that goes across ethnic lines. Which is what makes this so complex, every ethnic group has its educated and uneducated, privileged and underprivileged, it’s not as clear as saying all Tigrays or all Amharas when the majority of those groups also live in impoverished conditions.

Many people in the country do believe the Hachalu killing was a plot on the side of Jawar to bring things to a boiling point. All I know for sure is Jawar is probably never going to see the light of day again and given the rapid pace of developments has already become a forgotten afterthought.

Selassie was really an Oromo :mjgrin:
 

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:mjpls: Where'd you hear this?

On a serious note, @2Quik4UHoes is right that wealth seems more dispersed among political elite than activists usually suggest. I went to school with a Harari dude (international student) and the way this dude is living back home is :mindblown: to me, nobody lives better than the politically connected in Africa.

Hararis in general have always been rich as fukk. But yeah, from what I can tell it’s the connected that are elites and educated. All the tribes are piss poor aside from their tiny elites.
 

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:mjpls: Where'd you hear this?

On a serious note, @2Quik4UHoes is right that wealth seems more dispersed among political elite than activists usually suggest. I went to school with a Harari dude (international student) and the way this dude is living back home is :mindblown: to me, nobody lives better than the politically connected in Africa.
I don't know to be honest, just something I picked up along the way. Probably just a bias opinion. I have a lot of habesha friends and my wife is Eri.

One of my oldest memories is when I went to an Eritrean festival at the State Fair with some friends from my apartments. I was probably 4 years old. I remember seeing them throwing darts at a picture of someone. I learned later it was Mengistu, lol.
 

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I don't know to be honest, just something I picked up along the way. Probably just a bias opinion. I have a lot of habesha friends and my wife is Eri.

One of my oldest memories is when I went to an Eritrean festival at the State Fair with some friends from my apartments. I was probably 4 years old. I remember seeing them throwing darts at a picture of someone. I learned later it was Mengistu, lol.

lmaooooo I woulda threw some darts too mothafukk Mengistu fake ass Stalin :russ: :pacspit:

Sometimes I wonder what it would’ve been like if Isaias just took out Meles and took the whole country for himself. Asmara coulda been the capital I wouldn’t of been mad :manny:
 

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