These so called NBA experts are either playing dumb or they simply don't know sh1t.

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It's not that easy though. Sucking doesn't guarantee you a top pick due to the lottery system and there's also no guarantee your top tier prospects will pan out.

I personally think that stacking up assets and moving them for bigger pieces is the best way to build a franchise. Sure, OKC became contenders by drafting well and having the luck to finish 2nd in a lottery in which they were "left" with Durant. Imagine if they won the lottery and picked Oden, it changes the whole franchise basically.

I do understand what Orlando tried to do BUT they failed badly when they didn't even recieve valuable assets for Howard. They should've tried to get young players with potential and alot of picks for him but they ended up with just picks.

The reported Houston offer would've netted them two of their rookies + picks. That's a much better start than what they recieved. Afflalo is a pointless asset for how that team is looking.

There's one HUGE downside to what you're suggesting (remember when they used to call stacking assets and trading them for a superstar "the Boston model"?). One day, there will be a player that will become available, and all it takes for your assets, as great as they look, to become worthless, is for that player to dismiss your team as an option, and that happens a lot.

In other sports, that doesn't happen because the best offer wins. If the Mariners feel like sending Felix Hernandez to the Pirates or Rockies or Padres, then that's what it's gonna be. If the Jets felt like sending Darrelle Revis to the Seahawks or Browns, then that's what it is. Too many times a player in the NBA will use a no-trade clause he doesn't have to get where he wants. It's smart for the player but it screws the team over. In reality, if Orlando was fishing for the best offer, period, then none of these squads they were dealing with had that, but that's what Dwight Howard did-- restrict them that much, to the point where there were no young players with potential to get.

The only thing the Houston deal woulda gave them were picks that were already chosen (Lamb, White, Jones). There's even a downside to that. 3 picks + 2 picks you already have + new GM and coach - possible franchise player = LOTS of losing. You're risking fukking up all of their development because losing that much beats even the kids down.
 

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If you trade a superstar franchise player, the only way you can replace him is with another superstar franchise player and the ONLY way you do that is by trading for another one or Drafting another one. The only way to draft another one is to suck. Orlando made sure they would suck enough to be in the lottery. Sure they could've made the trade with NJ and ended up being a 37 win team, but what would it have gotten them in the end? Mangagement aint even trying to hide their tank job aspirations by saying they want to do what OKC did. OKC had to suck to build their team through the draft, and suck for multiple years.

Pretty much what Jalen Rose said.
 

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If you trade a superstar franchise player, the only way you can replace him is with another superstar franchise player and the ONLY way you do that is by trading for another one or Drafting another one. The only way to draft another one is to suck. Orlando made sure they would suck enough to be in the lottery. Sure they could've made the trade with NJ and ended up being a 37 win team, but what would it have gotten them in the end? Mangagement aint even trying to hide their tank job aspirations by saying they want to do what OKC did. OKC had to suck to build their team through the draft, and suck for multiple years.

The Magic got raped, all the picks they got were protected, they didn't even get unprotected pick, the hornets got a #10 pick and Eric Gordon for CP3, no reason the Magic couldn't have gotten a better package for the most dominating player in the league
 

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The Magic got raped, all the picks they got were protected, they didn't even get unprotected pick, the hornets got a #10 pick and Eric Gordon for CP3, no reason the Magic couldn't have gotten a better package for the most dominating player in the league


The picks being protected is pretty irrelevant. None of these squads are gonna miss the playoffs. Orlando's gonna get these picks one way or another. The picks didn't NEED to be protected, but other than that, the picks are gonna be what they are.

The Hornets got a lotto pick that another team took from a worse team. Who else had that? LA didn't have some other team's pick. Brooklyn didn't have that. The only team that was offering lotto picks (and by lotto picks I mean the 12th pick of a draft that just took place. Who was gonna give them a potentially high draft pick for a player they weren't getting? There wasn't an Eric Gordon to be had. There wasn't a T'wolves draft pick to be had. Y'all wanted Orlando to get something that wasn't there (and even if it was, Dwight wasn't gonna let it go down because he wasn't going to another team)
 

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Depends on the market and the weather, and in Toronto's case, the country. If you're small market, have shytty weather, have a shytty city, or are Toronto, then you HAVE to build through the draft. If you don't draft a superstar or trade for one on draft night, then you are not going to get one through a trade and definitely not through free agency.
 

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if the Sonics had the first pick, they would have undoubtedly picked Oden too. getting #2 saved them from themselves (but nothing could save them from Stern and those demonic hicks in Oklahoma :damn:).

you know what the "OKC model" is? freak luck.
If the Bulls had the #1 or #2 picks in 1984, they would've picked Hakeem or Bowie ahead of MJ too :beli:
 

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The only way the trade makes any sort of sense is if the Magic were guaranteed the top pick next year. Otherwise they got bent over with no vaseline. Even with that they shoulda just took Bynum and made LA take Hedo. They could have either had the other top 2 C to build around for years to come or they could have built through the lottery after he left.

It's amazing how the Magic had the most leverage of anyone involved and somehow managed to get the worst out of the deal. Then on top of that they invited other teams to join in on the fun. If they don't get the top pick it's gonna be :laff:.
 

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id bet any amount of money orlando doers not get the number one pick next year
 

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The only way the trade makes any sort of sense is if the Magic were guaranteed the top pick next year. Otherwise they got bent over with no vaseline. Even with that they shoulda just took Bynum and made LA take Hedo. They could have either had the other top 2 C to build around for years to come or they could have built through the lottery after he left.

It's amazing how the Magic had the most leverage of anyone involved and somehow managed to get the worst out of the deal. Then on top of that they invited other teams to join in on the fun. If they don't get the top pick it's gonna be :laff:.

Look at it like this: why pay an often injured C $102 mil for 5 years, the first three of them being wasted because your team sucks so much?
 

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Has any gm in the history of the nba ever traded one superstar for another superstar? Just wondering..
Like said before:
Marbury for Kidd
Allen for Payton
Kemp for Baker
Dominique for Manning

all stars? yes superstars? :yeshrug:
 

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follow the OKC route huh?

so there's a Kevin Durant available in every draft now? :comeon:

The draft trades and free agency are the only real ways to build a team. For a team like orlando it's better to take a chance getting someone in the draft who could be a superstar than Bynum or lopez making max money and being a treadmill team
 
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