There is no community if no one owes nothing to no one.

[old_timer]

Peer pressure can be good or bad..

Peers are a collective group of people doing the same thing
You either get on board by acting consistent with the group consensus..
Or you are no longer in the peer group
Which is okay,, in a way

But over time the group shrinks until a unifying event pushes the dispersed micro groups back into a bigger clump

Thats just how it goes

Now.. Imagine if we are all farmers
You might elect me as the de facto leader
You say "old timer is a good farmer.. He'll tell it how it is.. He'll represent us"
So i basically stop being a farmer
And start spending all my time pontificating about what a farmer is supposed to be
And pretty soon there is a disconnect where i forget about being a farmer
And now my peer group is other trade leaders...
And i am hanging around with those people and i start conforming to their consensus about how a leader should act

Until that sad day when i get full of myself
Start barking out a bunch of ridiculous demand-ments to the farmers
And some wise soul exclaims "hey
O_t,, you havent worked the land in ten years.. What do you really know about what we deal with everyday??"
And he'll be right
And the peer group will fracture.. Some staying with me out of misplaced loyalty

And others striking out with a new system
Where each person is a farmer and a leader
And they all act as leaders,, and also farmers
But you can't do two things at once and that doesn't work either

Or rewind a bit.. Maybe i don't get full of myself
Maybe i am a great and benevelolent leader for a long, long time
And years of good farming happen .. And i am the right person to oversee the group
But sudden external adversity happens
And we go from peace to needing a more aggressive leader
And i am not exactly a war-time consigliere ..
So to do what's best, farmers really need to dump me and turn to a new (unproven) leader whose style better suits the circumstances
But unproven leader is unproven,, and unpracticed and rough at the edges
Because o_t monopolized the position for years and years and years

there's a million possibilities

Or they try to say "well, we take turns being leaders.. o_t can represent us for 2020, then the next person for 2021, then someone else 2022, etc"
That way the leader is more in step with the group
Problem is.. People will have different styles.. And oh, i don't like the way o_t does things, can't wait for 2021 to get here.. Then next guy will reverse o_t's policies.. Etc
Or i preferred person 1 to person 2, his policies favored me a bit
And person 3 tries to do the most and wants to outshine 1&2 combined
And now for a dose of honesty.. Some people are more capable leaders.. Some people have a good natural handle on it.. And some pretenders to the throne need affirmation and study leadership from a book as a shortcut to power..
So mileage will vary
And you get gridlock, or exhaustion or sick of all the talking, and pretty soon being a farmer is undesirable due to stagnation
And good people leave the group to do something else

These type of dynamics go on and on and on..
Yet dont seem to be considered
Why not??
You have to Start off acknowledging the trade-offs.. And picking out what is acceptable and what is too much
An honest framework to manage the group ,, and equally important represent the group and promote it's interests out in the world at large

 

[MajesticLion]

True indeed.

The problem is that perception/trust will take ten years to build, and ten seconds to destroy. If people feel losses more keenly than gains, you're effectively working against human nature itself. And the propagandists know this intimately.

 

[philmonroe]

that's what i said on here to all these 'dikk-policing' morons. if you don't care about what the next black man is doing, then you won't have any sort of power anywhere.

Ok then where is your power and the rest of the dikk, pocket, and etc watchers? Y'all nikkas talk,this dumb shyt but have nothing to show that your style is worth a shyt either.

 

[philmonroe]

There are a lot of, "I'm just gonna take care of me and my family" n-ggas that post here. And unfortunately, they feel that that sentiment is completely justified when the topic of improving the condition of the masses of Black people is being discussed.

Yep I'm one of them because y'all dudes are all talk like most of nikkas in previous generations before you talking this same help all black people stuff. What are you dudes doing with your lives to help masses of black people? Its easy to come online and say things for daps but if you dudes aren't doing jack shyt offline that can be proven you're just talking to be honest.

 

[Thanos]

you right, community do keep members accountable but you need to start Micro. Are you keeping your boys accountable?

 

[philmonroe]

take care of yourself & your family

the world will stop spinning while you are waiting for folks outside byour circle to move on the same time as you

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That's the thing people use this fact you mentioned as an excuse to do jack shyt. All these posters talking this empowerment stuff but what have any of them done to move forward in that regard? Talk about setting standards and policing but how many of these dudes are people that folks offline want to emulate?

 

[philmonroe]

As long as its all done for a collective moral and financial goal, and not to marginalize or insult, then I'm all for it.... but that will never happen.... cause we low key dislike one another

We don't low dislike each other where you get that wild stuff from? Like anything in life some people get along others don't. That's just life period and just because you're black don't mean I'm going to like you and vice versa. The first part I agree with you on.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

We don't low dislike each other where you get that wild stuff from? Like anything in life some people get along others don't. That's just life period and just because you're black don't mean I'm going to like you and vice versa. The first part I agree with you on.

Nah... collectively, we really don't... It's 100s of years of conditioning and psychology to back it up....... let me rephrase it to be clear.... we don't respect and appreciate one another enough....

 

[Scott Larock]

Black Empowerment will never be a thing most of us do, it will be individualized and that's not BLACK empowerment.

It's also a waste of time to align with something the majority of us simply don't want to deal with, too many dudes looking women, looking money, looking respect to want to sacrifice anything right now.

People dislike my political views but I think people know we're way to individualized to be any community threat and they act as such, democrats especially throw a carrot at us and we give in. How many bad bytches we'd love to smash are on some transgender/homosexual rights activism? We the only group deeply invested in maintaining WS, other groups don't give a damn about it. Not hard to find a black face for some garbage that does nothing for black people.

Unfortunately blackness is a symbol and a social conversation starter but it doesn't really go past that.

 

[philmonroe]

Nah... collectively, we really don't... It's 100s of years of conditioning and psychology to back it up....... let me rephrase it to be clear.... we don't respect and appreciate one another enough....

Respect and appreciate people enough how? Y'all can name dudes wylin in the streets or something like that but in everyday life I'd truly love to know where y'all see this lack of respect and appreciating each other. I still believe it goes back to some people you rock with and others you don't. As far as conditioning I feel that's bullshyt speaking for what I see the majority of the time with black people and interacting with each other.

 

[Scott Larock]

Respect and appreciate people enough how? Y'all can name dudes wylin in the streets or something like that but in everyday life I'd truly love to know where y'all see this lack of respect and appreciating each other. I still believe it goes back to some people you rock with and others you don't. As far as conditioning I feel that's bullshyt speaking for what I see the majority of the time with black people and interacting with each other.

If our doors were shut information wouldn't get out as it does now. You wouldn't see the articles about black crime, poverty, hiv, single mothers and all this other stuff if we were more closed off. Like Jews, alot of them are actually poor but the door is shut and that's how they win, we don't know what's going on since they don't tell.

We could hide failures behind success and so forth.

 

[philmonroe]

If our doors were shut information wouldn't get out as it does now. You wouldn't see the articles about black crime, poverty, hiv, single mothers and all this other stuff if we were more closed off. Like Jews, alot of them are actually poor but the door is shut and that's how they win, we don't know what's going on since they don't tell.

We could hide failures behind success and so forth.

This is Internet sounds good talk my man. People's individual "doors" are shut. As long as other groups control things you speak of you'd still see these articles my man. Anybody that isn't stupid knows most Jews and any other groups are just average and a few are doing better than most.

 

[Scott Larock]

This is Internet sounds good talk my man. People's individual "doors" are shut. As long as other groups control things you speak of you'd still see these articles my man. Anybody that isn't stupid knows most Jews and any other groups are just average and a few are doing better than most.

I disagree completely, one doesn't need to know what another does even if he's the one providing rent for the other. We can keeop our mouths shut and just let out certain aspects of what we want to put out.

After 9/11 how many shows came out basically profiting off the Middle East and Terrorist? After a while, nothing took place and people just backed off.

 

[MischievousMonkey]

ancap

What does ancap mean? Anti-capitalist?

 

[Taadow]

I'm not confusing.

A community implies a certain level of enforcement.

No.

All a community involves is a sharing of something by everybody. That’s it.