the whites and the japanese deserve a lot of credit for hip hop

[Londilon]

if everyone unites to put me down, then im glad to unite everyone. if you find love and community in tearing me apart, then let the gay parade begin!

 

[War Word the Arch Angel]

lol I didn't realize how that sounded. nah gay parade as in just a happy gathering.

 

[Mac Casper]

lol I didn't realize how that sounded. nah gay parade as in just a happy gathering.

 

[Insensitive]

lets be real, the Japanese (specifically mr nakamuru) created the drum machines from the tr-707 to the 808 to the 909.

many hip hop artists simply took the beats off those machines and rapped over them. the grooves, sounds and programming was done by the Japanese.(especially because many of the early drum machines could not be user-programmed)

then you have the 'funky soul' of people like prince and who owe their sound to the linn LM-1 drum machine which was created by a white. the creator of the linn lm-1 was the first person to ever use digital samples in a drum machine.

so it seems hip hop actually is a universal human culture, its not owned by any one race. especially with the fact that many of the most classic hip hop samples were straight loops taken from whites like bob james and david axelrod.

we could go deeper, and we will; this is an interesting discussion.

LOLWHAT ?
What sorta stupid shyt is this ?
I guess James brown needs to give up claim to funk cause
he didn't create the drum kit right ?
I guess Art Tatum wasn't a brilliant Jazz Composer because he didn't
create the piano right ?
I guess Charlie Christian and Wes Montgomery aren't Jazz guitar geniuses
because they didn't create the electric guitar right ?

Making an instrument isn't the same as making a genre of music.
It can facilitate the creation of that sound but the style doesn't
exist without the people to make it.

lol, ok I need to go deeper.

much of the early soundscapes in hip hop was created using synthesizers like the moog which were created by dr robert moog, a white. then the classic breakdancing robot voice comes from a vocoder.

African bambaata created his sound by using vocoder(created by americans in the 30's) and Fairlight synths(which ironically is an Australian invention, shout out iggy)

then we can move on to the mpc which was also created by someone who is now appearing to be one of the fathers of hip hop, roger linn.

sampling was a cornerstone in early hip hop, and where would hip hop be without samplers?

Don't go any deeper cause you played yourself making this bullshyt thread from the jump.
I've read some stupid shyt in the booth and very few posters are in league with the shyt you've
typed thus far and THAT'S saying something.

What would Hip Hop be without samplers ? Check all the music it samples breh
maybe you'd get an idea.

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

those machines are just tools, tools used to create art. you wouldn't credit the person who created a paint brush, with painting the mona lisa... there's a huge difference.

being white doesn't mean you can't be a part of hip hop (in my opinion), but it does mean you should give credit where credit is due. this is black music... simple as that.

 

[Mac Casper]

LOLWHAT ?
What sorta stupid shyt is this ?
I guess James brown needs to give up claim to funk cause
he didn't create the drum kit right ?
I guess Art Tatum wasn't a brilliant Jazz Composer because he didn't
create the piano right ?
I guess Charlie Christian and Wes Montgomery aren't Jazz guitar geniuses
because they didn't create the electric guitar right ?

Making an instrument isn't the same as making a genre of music.
It can facilitate the creation of that sound but the style doesn't
exist without the people to make it.


Don't go any deeper cause you played yourself making this bullshyt thread from the jump.
I've read some stupid shyt in the booth and very few posters are in league with the shyt you've
typed thus far and THAT'S saying something.

What would Hip Hop be without samplers ? Check all the music it samples breh
maybe you'd get an idea.

You're response is very emotional, nobody's saying anyone isn't great. What he is saying is that all races have contributed to the the "sound" of of hip-hop

 

[War Word the Arch Angel]

I do understand the point about tools. but were talking actual rhythms, or you could even go as far as calling it "riddims" programmed or played by whites or Japanese, creating the "riddim' of the African American song. the actual SOUND and BEAT are from the mind and hands of an Asian or white.

like for example afrika baambaata was sued for using kraftwerk( white germans) drum beat on his biggest song, and kraftwerk won the law suit because baambaata recreated note for note, the drum beat programmed by kraftwerk, and that beat is one of hip hops pioneering, defining momeents, and it comes from the mind of a euro.

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

I do understand the point about tools. but were talking actual rhythms, or you could even go as far as calling it "riddims" programmed or played by whites or Japanese, creating the "riddim' of the African American song. the actual SOUND and BEAT are from the mind and hands of an Asian or white.

like for example afrika baambaata was sued for using kraftwerk( white germans) drum beat on his biggest song, and kraftwerk won the law suit because he simply lifted their drum beat.

ya until it gets chopped up, and turned into something completely new... which is exactly what sampling is.

most of the famous drum loops sampled in hip hop were NOT created by Asians btw

 

[Thizzlam]

I'm beginning to warm up to the OP. He is like the new Rhyme King only with more delusion and less autism.

 

[Insensitive]

You're response is very emotional, nobody's saying anyone isn't great. What he is saying is that all races have contributed to the the "sound" of of hip-hop

My response wasn't irrational even if emotion plays a prominent role
in it.
Their contributions are fine but almost all of Hip Hop's musical
foundation was laid by BLACK people and there were no international
contributions to be had during the foundation and most of the evolution of the genre.

Hip Hop is a direct result of the Black American experience and BLACK
American music is most often where it draws it's sources from.
There's no doubt in my mind that Hip Hop has since then gone international
and incorporates the sounds of the locals of whatever country it lands in
but Hip Hop as we generally recognize it and it's chief contributors
are neither Japanese nor "White".

This in no way takes away from Japanese musicians or White Musicians
who have contributed to the genre.
I'm a fan of the producer Nujabes.
I actually like listening to the Japanese rap group Rip slime.
I'm a fan of the producer Alchemist.
I have no problem listening to Apathy, Vinnie Paz, ill bill, El-P, Asher Roth etc.

Let's not twist his intentions, his very first post was to intentionally downplay the talents
of certain individuals and the title of the thread expresses this.
He mentioned prince while totally ignoring that prince eventually fell back on using the
Linn Drum machine because so many people were biting him.
On top of that he (prince) didn't even need the Linn Drum because Prince can and has played the drums on his songs.
I mean we're talking about the same man whose been on the cover of Guitar, Bass, Drum AND Keyboard magazine.

Not to mention the Linn Drum was programmable ! Which kills his goofy argument which concerns prince outright.

He hasn't even mentioned which Drum Machines were/still are used prominently in Hip Hop.
Both the TR-808 AND The Sp-1200 are programmable drum machines !
And we all know (or at least I hope y'all do ) of the SP-1200's place in Hip Hop before more capable machines
came along.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linn_LM-1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_TR-808
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-mu_SP-1200


Dude is doing a whole lotta talking and dropping very few examples.

 

[War Word the Arch Angel]

I take back my baambaata comment it was stupid. his song was a classic display of hip hop. in taking the cold sterile elements of the kraftwerk song and making a warm lively dynamic song in a whole other realm.

and rhyme king is nice, he called an album of mine one of the best lyrical albums of the year! we talked a lil.

 

[Cabbage Patch]

so glad you CACs are exposing yourselves

 

[zerozero]

War Word is a legend. Y'all new Coli kids don't know.

And to buttress his argument a bit--forget the machines. The original house, disco, electronic sounds that were instrumental in early hip hop involved european artists as well

 

[Cabbage Patch]

I'm on 10's can someone neg this cac for me

No prob.

 

[Cabbage Patch]

War Word is a legend. Y'all new Coli kids don't know.

And to buttress his argument a bit--forget the machines. The original house, disco, electronic sounds that were instrumental in early hip hop involved european artists as well

you forgot to end it with 'who stole their inspiration from earlier black people'.

It all circles back. I see what y'all doing, though.