The Untold Story of Men in "Mad Men"

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I can definitely sympathize with aspects of men going their own way. I think at it's core, it's about men not wanting to typecast themselves into the workerbee role that the article illustrates. If you saw your father growing up working himself to death, putting everyone needs before his own, never happy and hardly apart of his childrens lives , why would you follow that? Before some :cape: tries to educate me about some woman somewhere getting the short end of the stick, this ain't the oppression olympics, I don't think the grass is greener for anyone, so you can miss me with all that.
 

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No, they really didn't. Every time you post, you sound more and more like DaChampIsHere.
When have women had it better than men? Men have always had more freedom and been up against less shame for not conforming. Still the case today. What are you talking about?

And given how DCIH regularly decimates woman haters here I will take that as a compliment. This whole "men are victims" thing is so corny, don't expect to post it w/o meeting some kind of questioning
 

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When have women had it better than men? Men have always had more freedom and been up against less shame for not conforming. Still the case today. What are you talking about?

And given how DCIH regularly decimates woman haters here I will take that as a compliment. This whole "men are victims" thing is so corny, don't expect to post it w/o meeting some kind of questioning

:rudy: Who here is a woman hater?

Pot, meet kettle. I'm tired of feminists acting like women are still horribly oppressed from inflated wage gap numbers or inflated rape statistics or not being thought of as sexy because they're a size 16. :heh: FOH.

Men have always also had more responsibility. Not really sure what world you're from, but it's not easy being a man, either. Maybe you should read more than just the title of the article.
 

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Thank you for writing about an overlooked aspect of the period considered to be the golden era of American capitalism. The toll for rising prosperity was levied heavily on the American family, on the 80-hour men who pursued the American dream as well as on their children who grew up in two-parent households hollowed out by absent fathers. It was an era when a family's fortunes depended on the fate of the lone breadwinner, which meant pulling up stakes whenever keeping the job required moving to another state. The fifties and sixties birthed the nomadic nuclear family, which sacrificed enduring community ties on the altar of economic necessity. By the mid-sixties the center could not hold and families began unraveling in a cultural revolution that produced alienated youth and exploding divorce rates, to be followed by other indicators of social disintegration. As Ms. Jacoby so poignantly discloses, the most meaningful story cannot be told through glamorized portrayals of the lives of the denizens of Madison Avenue advertising agencies but by recalling the quiet desperation of madmen across the land.


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Pot, meet kettle. I'm tired of feminists acting like women are still horribly oppressed from inflated wage gap numbers or inflated rape statistics or not being thought of as sexy because they're a size 16. :heh: FOH.

Where did I say any of that, aside from inflated rape numbers, equate to "horrible oppression"... I thought you were better than this.

Men have always also had more responsibility. Not really sure what world you're from, but it's not easy being a man, either. Maybe you should read more than just the title of the article.
That's responsibility they took on voluntarily and had the freedom to eschew. Sharp contrast with a woman's responsibility in those times, which always came back to the household as women's jobs back then were not enough to support things like retirement, and had very low pay and responsibility ceilings.

I'm confused. Men had it bad when we were the sole breadwinners and propreitors of power, and now men have it bad being able to share the load. If you could wave a magic wand how would you redefine gender roles in modern society?
 

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Naw I will give him that. Life is hard. Where he is wrong is that a man's life is harder than a woman's, or that all mens' lives are hard because of women. If you don't have kids or get married there's nothing a woman can really do to you. And if you choose to get married or have kids you have to be a man and take responsibility + accept the potential consequences of your actions. Again, choice... sharp contrast with a woman in the 50s, for whom the only ticket to socioeconomic climbing/prosperity was through a man.

Not to mention back then a man could have his family and have a bunch of side chicks, and nobody could do anything about it. Divorce was unheard of. Mad Men celebrates the contrast in sexual freedom between genders of the time.

The pooh poohing and constant scrambling to male victimhood is depressing. @DaygoTaco why are you so eager to turn in your manhood card and throw in the towel? ITs not that bad.
 
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inflated rape statistics

Paradigmatic example of the MRA stance. The very real concern about false accusations becomes twisted into an argument that requires that the percentage of false accusations be multiplied by a very unrealistic number to achieve a scenario of significant inflation. Double, triple, multiply the percentage by 10 or even 20... it still doesn't even remotely approach the number of actual rapes.

There's no set of social factors that any reasonable person would conclude lead to the stats being inflated to that extent. You'd be better off arguing that male rape is underreported and sticking to that.


rape_infographic.jpg
 

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Paradigmatic example of the MRA stance. The very real concern about false accusations becomes twisted into an argument that requires that the percentage of false accusations be multiplied by a very unrealistic number to achieve a scenario of significant inflation.


rape_infographic.jpg

I have been waiting for you to post this. It's my favorite bullshyt infographic.

That's an awful huge number of rapists that you're assuming are actual rapists without any kind of scrutinizing or proof. It's also pretty funny that you're assuming that they're still rapists after they've been reported but there wasn't enough evidence to take it to trial. It's even more hilarious that you still assume that they're rapists after going to trial, having the evidence examined, and still were let off.

I guess when it comes to stupid people feminists it's guilty until proven innocent, because men are bad and women are good and innocent, am I right?

You were never really that good with statistics, though. This is why I don't really take you that seriously despite having a sophisticated writing style and your flowery rhetoric about acceptance and being anti-ignorance.

Here's a few links that address your inflated statistics more in depth:

Researching the "Rape Culture" of America

Rape Statistics: Are 1 in 4 women raped? Skeptical analysis. | AspiringEconomist.com

How Official Rape Statistics are Distorted and Inflated

The true risk of rape | World on Campus: news for college students from a Christian perspective.
 

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You must lead a sheltered life. :manny:

No I don't.

What is so hard about being a man under normal baseline circumstances? I don't get it, lol. You wake up, brush your teeth, shave, shower, eat, go to work, go to the gym, watch tv, surf the web or whatever, take a shyt, fukk your girl, and go to sleep. Repeat.

Why don't you tell us what you find so hard about being a man?
 
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