The U.S. Ultimatum on Huawei Is Backfiring :UPDATE: Google banning Huawei from Android updates and

[Master Teacher]

Dummies siding with Huawei not realizing 97% of Huawei’s technology was straight up stolen from Western tech firms. Their only competitive advantage is being able to copy and produce goods that other companies make at cheaper prices. That’s not innovation. That’s exploiting currency devaluation and lax ip theft laws in Asia. How can they be a true industry leader if they have to have whole departments dedicated to corporate espionage to steal what Nokia, Ericsson, Cisco, Motorola and others are doing?

Then why are the phones better than all the americans one which aren't even made by americans, none of the electronics in Apple phones are american made and patent by japanese companies, sony even makes all the cameras on iphones

typical cac delusion, the west is behind the rest of the world and will continue to decline as long as you keep these delusions up

 

[Reece]

Then why are the phones better than all the americans one which aren't even made by americans, none of the electronics in Apple phones are american made and patent by japanese companies, sony even makes all the cameras on iphones

typical cac delusion, the west is behind the rest of the world and will continue to decline as long as you keep these delusions up

This is just categorically false on all levels.

 

[Strapped]

Imma buy apples falling stock just off patriotism

 

[Master Teacher]

This is just categorically false on all levels.

No it's not, the japanese make all the electronics of iphones

samsung is light years ahead of any american company

asians have always ruled electronics since the beginning

the first TVs in America were Sony

you live in a fantasy world

one a side not, everything Apple makes is TRASH

their computers trash, laptops trash, phones trash, its all marketing and sales, to the delusional american consumer who are more concerned with brands than quality

 

[Reece]

No it's not, the japanese make all the electronics of iphones

samsung is light years ahead of any american company

asians have always ruled electronics since the beginning

the first TVs in America were Sony

you live in a fantasy world

one a side not, everything Apple makes is TRASH

their computers trash, laptops trash, phones trash, its all marketing and sales, to the delusional american consumer who are more concerned with brands than quality

Stop it.

 

[Master Teacher]

Stop it.

What the fukk this other than a piece of propaganda

typical response when you can't face reality and deal with the fakes

every company spies its called corporate espionage how is this relevant

and the end of the products are superior, its not up for debate, america produces nothing of quality other than marijuana grown by the citizens lmao

 

[loyola llothta]

France, Germany say they won't block Huawei's 5G infrastructure

Published on May 17, 2019

Washington is receiving push back not only from the Chinese telecom giant Huawei but also from some of its closest allies. France said it would not block Huawei from building the infrastructure for its 5G network despite Washington labeling it a threat to national security. President Emmanuel Macron said it is not in his country's interests to take part in a tech war. The German and Dutch leaders have also made it clear that they will not follow Washington's lead. Meanwhile, Huawei said it will now use its own chips in its products after the U.S. banned it from buying components from American companies.

 

[ORDER_66]

Trump supporters my god y’all are dumb

You LIVE in America jackass.

You are at the MERCY of America’s economy.

When Trump leaves office and a Democrat comes in, China will continue to be a currency manipulator, will continue to steal ip and will continue to try to solidify their hegemony to rival the US until it reaches a breaking point. For the same reason why Western Europe, namely Germany, vetoed Russian gas pipelines and didn't want to be dependent on Russian oil while Vladimir Putin is out here wilding, Western countries don’t want Chinese companies entrenched in their communications infrastructure for obvious reasons. Are you thinking with common sense right now or are you a weirdo Coli Militant with an anarchist fantasy? Because if shyt pops off ever between the USA and China, and it really could one day, your silly ass will be burning right along with us

WHO STARTED THIS TRADE WAR BREH??? ALL of US including you is going toi suffer because of a fukking cac retard at the helm of the country listening to his white buddies on the golf course and boardrooms thinking he's gonna stop 100 YEARS of chinese economic development WHEN THEY HOLD ALL THE CARDS!!! What point of that do you not understand!!!?? IP theft, who the fukk cares about IP theft?!?! If america spent it's billions of infrastructure and cybersecurity we would be in a better place but it's not so who's fault is that???

 

[Neil Tyson]

Trump threatening tariffs over something Mexico can't realistically control.

 

[Reece]

What the fukk this other than a piece of propaganda

typical response when you can't face reality and deal with the fakes

every company spies its called corporate espionage how is this relevant

and the end of the products are superior, its not up for debate, america produces nothing of quality other than marijuana grown by the citizens lmao

The Wall Street Journal is propaganda?

Stop quoting me. Immediately

 

[Reece]

WHO STARTED THIS TRADE WAR BREH??? ALL of US including you is going toi suffer because of a fukking cac retard at the helm of the country listening to his white buddies on the golf course and boardrooms thinking he's gonna stop 100 YEARS of chinese economic development WHEN THEY HOLD ALL THE CARDS!!! What point of that do you not understand!!!?? IP theft, who the fukk cares about IP theft?!?! If america spent it's billions of infrastructure and cybersecurity we would be in a better place but it's not so who's fault is that???

Regardless of Trump, this fault line has been ready to rupture for the last 20 years. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS? Ever since Xiaoping opened up China to the outside world, they’ve been trying to match us economically. We didn’t see what they were doing because we were focused on Russia who was trying to match us militarily. Yes, greedy American businessman offshored manufacturing to China. At the time it was too lucrative to turn away. Things have changed. Now that country is an 800lb gorilla that is slowly trying to supplant us on a world scale. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE REALITY OF THIS OR ARE YOU JUST POSTING NONSENSE JUST TO POST? Even without Trump (I’m amazed I even have to tell you that ), China and the US are on a crash course. China owns a shyt ton of our debt. China has been the biggest buyer of gold reserves which is another sign of economic aggression. The Yuan has a very good chance at stealing the reserve currency away from the dollar. China devalues their currency artificially. China does not import anywhere close to what they export. Even with products purchased from other sources, China is still somewhere in the supply chain. China doesn’t allow any of our companies to have access to their markets, then they steal our IP and turn around and try to sell our stolen shyt back to us With their increased economic standing, China has thrown their weight around North Korea, Tibet, Taiwan and the South China Sea region (places that held importance since forever, long before Trump). China is spending billions to build up their armed forces. China has not openly threatened war with the US but vague and implied threats over the past two years with North Korea and the South China Sea islands situation let it be known they are preparing for war eventually. China is a communist country. If you think Government Sachs is true over here, please realize every major company in China answers to Beijing. So no, you don’t want to have a Chinese company and therefore the Communist Party of China, having access to the world’s telecommunications infrastructure. If you wouldn’t feel comfortable with Putin having that access, you’re an idiot to feel any differently about China.

 

[Strapped]

Diapers.com & many other companies were put out of business by amazon when they copied the blueprint of those companies , offsourced the manufacturing in china & sold the products at a lower price which put those companies out of business. When or if those U.S. based companies leave china for cheaper more prosperous pastures like vietnam . The Chinese will still dominate by copying those products & undercutting prices & the consumer will always look for the best deal they can get .CAPITALISM you have to love it's GREED

 

[TDUBB]

China coming out with they own blacklist

Yahoo is now part of Oath

China Threatens Sweeping Blacklist of Firms After Huawei Ban

(Bloomberg) -- China said it will establish a list of so-called “unreliable" entities it says damage the interests of domestic companies, a sweeping order that could potentially affect thousands of foreign firms as tensions escalate after the U.S. blacklisted Huawei Technologies Co.

China will set up a mechanism listing foreign enterprises, organizations and individuals that don’t obey market rules, violate contracts and block, cut off supply for non-commercial reasons or severely damage the legitimate interests of Chinese companies, Ministry of Commerce spokesman Gao Feng said. "Necessary measures will be taken" against those on the list, he said, adding that specifics would be released soon.

The U.S. government has moved to curb Huawei’s ability to sell equipment in the U.S. and buy parts from American suppliers, potentially crippling one of China’s most successful -- but controversial -- global companies. That step has helped broaden the tariff war into a wider confrontation between China and the U.S., at a time when negotiations between the two sides have broken down.

The vague wording of the Chinese state media report opens the door for Beijing to target a broad swathe of the global tech industry -- from U.S. giants like Alphabet Inc.’s Google, Qualcomm Inc. and Intel Corp. to even non-American suppliers that have cut off China’s largest technology company. Those run the gamut from Japan’s Toshiba to Britain’s Arm.

Shares in Apple Inc. slipped less than 1% while Qualcomm Inc. gained less than 1% and Intel Corp. was little changed in U.S. trading Friday. U.S. stocks slumped as the Trump administration’s trade spats intensified.

“Surely companies that have announced cutting supplies to Huawei, such as Panasonic and Toshiba, would be under threat,” said Michelle Lam, Greater China economist at Societe Generale SA in Hong Kong. “It could be very damaging to multinational companies.’’

The tariff conflict is set to ratchet up this weekend as the U.S. locks down higher duties on about $200 billion of goods arriving from China and Beijing implements its own retaliation. Talks between the two sides stalled after U.S. President Donald Trump accused China of backsliding on a deal and Chinese officials argued that the Americans raised their demands.

‘National Security’

The list will also target companies that "pose a threat or potential threat to national security," the Commerce Ministry’s Gao said. China is setting up the list "to protect international economic and trade rules and the multilateral trading system, to oppose unilateralism and trade protectionism, and to safeguard China’s national security, social and public interests," he said.

China said this week the next move in resolving trade talks must come from the U.S., as Trump said he’s in no hurry to make a deal. Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping are expected to meet again at the end of June for the G-20 summit, though some analysts are pessimistic about a quick solution.

China’s blacklist threat “sends pressure to Washington as the ban (on Chinese companies) from the U.S. side goes wider,” said James Yan, a Counterpoint Research analyst. “China may pick a few ‘bad examples’ to punish, but it’s unlikely to hit everyone in the supply chain.”

Trade Weapons

The U.S. could also potentially add more Chinese firms including Zhejiang Dahua Technology Co. and Hangzhou Hikvision Digital Technology Co. to the list that bars them from U.S. components or software, people familiar said earlier.

Chinese state media has floated other potential retaliatory measures in recent days. Bloomberg News reported Friday that Beijing has readied a plan to restrict exports of rare earths to the U.S. if needed, according to people familiar with the matter. The measures would likely focus on heavy rare earths, a sub-group of the materials where the U.S. is particularly reliant on China.

“This retaliation with Chinese characteristics is unlikely to sway the Trump Administration,’’ said Jude Blanchette, China practice lead at Crumpton Group in Arlington, Virginia, and a former Conference Board researcher in Beijing. “The only certain outcome of this hastily-created ‘entity list’ is to further convince foreign firms that the political and regulatory risk of operating in China continues to rise.”

(Updates with shares.)

--With assistance from Kevin Hamlin, Gao Yuan and James Mayger.

To contact Bloomberg News staff for this story: Miao Han in Beijing at mhan22@bloomberg.net;Xiaoqing Pi in Beijing at xpi1@bloomberg.net

 

[loyola llothta]

Huawei CEO: HiSilicon to become primary supplier, Huawei in groove

Published on May 28, 2019

Huawei's chipset subsidiary, HiSilicon, will become the company's primary chip provider following its placement on a U.S. ban list. Huawei CEO Ren Zhengfei said the tech giant is in a groove, despite the U.S. crackdown.

 

[Strapped]

Cnbc was saying that the potus real objective is to get the American companies to ditch china , but will they come back home or look for another safe haven . These companies will never come back , they will continue to seek out the cheapest labor to maximize profits for the top executives & meet WALL STREETS expectations