The U.S. Ultimatum on Huawei Is Backfiring :UPDATE: Google banning Huawei from Android updates and

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Huawei has copied ip and technology to the point that they’ve had the same bugs and errors in their “products” as the companies they’ve stolen from. Even had the nerve to plagiarize the product manuals too, word for word :dead: They routinely send people to tech conferences that they are blacklisted from using fake identities to see what the competition is doing, to the point that they’ve been caught photographing the interiors of routers and switches. They are not a company to defend.
 

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I gotta side with Trump on this one. China has been cheating on trade for decades. Not to mention hacking everything and everyone they can to steal intellectual property. Idiots supporting China don't realize in the end they don't play by the rules. Plus it's a totalitarian state with an abysmal human rights record.


Dummies siding with Huawei not realizing 97% of Huawei’s technology was straight up stolen from Western tech firms. Their only competitive advantage is being able to copy and produce goods that other companies make at cheaper prices. That’s not innovation. That’s exploiting currency devaluation and lax ip theft laws in Asia. How can they be a true industry leader if they have to have whole departments dedicated to corporate espionage to steal what Nokia, Ericsson, Cisco, Motorola and others are doing?
 

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Dummies siding with Huawei not realizing 97% of Huawei’s technology was straight up stolen from Western tech firms. Their only competitive advantage is being able to copy and produce goods that other companies make at cheaper prices. That’s not innovation. That’s exploiting currency devaluation and lax ip theft laws in Asia. How can they be a true industry leader if they have to have whole departments dedicated to corporate espionage to steal what Nokia, Ericsson, Cisco, Motorola and others are doing?

How do you think this ends up 1-3 years from now?
 

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Dummies siding with Huawei not realizing 97% of Huawei’s technology was straight up stolen from Western tech firms. Their only competitive advantage is being able to copy and produce goods that other companies make at cheaper prices. That’s not innovation. That’s exploiting currency devaluation and lax ip theft laws in Asia. How can they be a true industry leader if they have to have whole departments dedicated to corporate espionage to steal what Nokia, Ericsson, Cisco, Motorola and others are doing?

Maybe true, but the average consumer around the world don't care about all that. They just want a good phone without breaking the bank. Bottom line.
 

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Maybe true, but the average consumer around the world don't care about all that. They just want a good phone without breaking the bank. Bottom line.

It’s highly true. Read this article. And it’s essentially waiting for someone to design an amazing car so you can reverse engineer their ingenuity and take it back to your third world country to make for 50% of the cost. That’s theft. Doesn’t matter what customers think or want. That’s not gonna work long term.

Huawei’s Yearslong Rise Is Littered With Accusations of Theft and Dubious Ethics
 

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How do you think this ends up 1-3 years from now?

I can’t predict the future but they haven’t revolutionized or innovated anything. Through corporate espionage, hiring laid off workers of rival companies and from straight up patent infringement they’ve just rebuilt what other companies are doing. They literally copied one of Cisco’s products so blatantly they forgot to get rid of the bugs that Cisco made :dead: All the major companies are racing to gain market share for 5G (Cisco, Ericsson, Nokia, Motorola, AT&T, Sprint) whether directly or through intermediate supplementary products. Trump obviously wants to keep a Chinese company from leading the pack due to a) knowing the Communist Party has ultimate influence over all the major companies in China which presents a huge security risk for us b) they’re stealing ip c) they’re manipulating their currency to make their products so cheap that even if they’re selling stolen inferior technology (if you have to reverse engineer from other companies, by nature, it’s substandard) people are incentivized to buy due to pricing and d) China is notorious for being horrific when it comes to quality control. For those reasons, the US will not let Huawei anywhere near its telecommunications infrastructure. Trump is trying to convince other world powers to follow suit...Countries like Germany, UK and France are kinda indifferent as they have their own agendas to worry about but are more likely to say no considering Nokia and Ericsson are big homegrown companies. Countries like Italy and Greece don’t give a fukk and want whatever’s cheapest. I see Huawei dominating the Asia market and select countries in Africa and the Middle East. I can easily see it being shut off from most countries in the West though.
 

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Go back and you will find that the usa didn't give a fukk about ip laws when it was creating it's various industries. So I ain't gonna fault the Chinese for jacking stuff.... because I would want any African country serious about industrialization to do the same thing.


worry about ip laws/serious home grown innovation once your caught up..
 

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These dumbass trump supporters and american cocksuckers shaming china for infringing on IP theft, but America has stolen from everyone to create the base of where they are today...:mjlol:

And TBH china can fukk over america ruthlessly IF they chose to but people don't realize America is in NO position to bargain...:ufdup: you want cheap labor and rare earths but dont wanna dig rare earths on your own land and pay americans a TRUE fair wage for dangerous work...:mjlol: Lazy b*stards...
 

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Full-blown US-China Trade War? Rare Earths – US Has So Much to Lose, China Barely Feels the Loss
By Tom Clifford

The United States sees the trade dispute it has with China as one of many. It’s been down this road before, with Japan, Canada, Mexico and the European Union.

China views it differently. In Beijing the trade issue is seen as a threat to its further development and a possible cause of instability. The compact between the party and the people, growth without political reform, could be damaged.

So, when the phrase, “don’t say we didn’t warn you” was used by state media last month it confirmed the gravity with which the situation is viewed from Beijing. This was not a throw-away line, though on the surface it seemed quite mild. That is until you realize the significance of it.

The six-word phrase is associated with China going to war with India in 1962 and Vietnam in 1979. It could not have been used without the highest official clearance. Beijing considers this trade dispute as a clear and present danger.

It must be stressed that war is not likely in the short term between China and the US, and the Thucydides trap, where an established power is challenged by an emerging power, is not pre-ordained. Besides, of all the causes to rally to the flag and take to the trenches, rare earths, hardly inspire thoughts of daring-do and bravery. Thousands will not take to the streets in either Beijing or Washington under banners in passionate defence of say, Lanthanum or Dysprosium. These minerals and others are, however, vital for modern lifestyles and technology and ironically, are not that rare.

The methods use to extract them are heavily polluting. It’s a dirty business.


Processing one ton of rare earths produces 2,000 tons of toxic waste.

Consequently, few places mine them though they can be found in many countries.

These critical minerals, a group of 17 elements, touch almost every aspect of modern life, including renewable energy technology, spacecraft, defence, oil refinery, electronics, and the glass industry are as vital an ingredient to the global economy as oil is.

This makes China the new Saudi Arabia. It sits on close to 40 percent of rare earth resources and its 120,000 tons of annual production accounts for about 80 percent of global supply. Australia, the world’s second largest supplier, produced 20,000 metric tons last year.

To reinforce the point China’s president Xi Jinping, broke into his regular scheduling and visited a rare earth facility last month in Jiangxi province to hammer home the point.

China has options, none of them enticing. It could limit supply and move prices as Saudi Arabia and OPEC have done with oil. The backlash could spur a drive to increase rare earth mining in other countries.

The US imports 80 percent of its rare earth needs from China. But it accounts for just 4 percent of China’s rare earth shipments, totaling around $160 million in 2018. No other single commodity gives China such an advantage. Vital to the US but, in terms of quantity, of minor significance for China.

Beijing sets a quota for rare earth production twice a year. In the first half of 2019, the cap was placed at 60,000 tons – up from 45,000 the preceding half. If it is to reduce exports of rare earths, it will lower this quota. Quotas for the remainder of the year will be released in June and will be a key indicator of China’s intentions over the coming years.

One other factor comes into play. China’s “monopoly” on rare earths is illusory. Environmental regulations, more often ignored than followed, allows extraction and refinement to be cheaper and easier than other countries. But Beijing is trying to clean up its act. Domestic companies and illegal extractors have been sanctioned recently amid increasing concern about the environment.

China is also one of the leading consumers of rare earths and by 2025, the country could be a net importer of them. Driving up prices today could backfire tomorrow.

Besides, the mining of rare earths outside of China is also growing. Non-Chinese production has grown to about 29 percent of the global output from just 3 percent in 2009.

Like the Saudis, China faces a dilemma. Cut off supplies or reduce exports and markets could be threatened. Do nothing and you will seem to be a pushover. June is a sensitive time in China and in October the party will celebrate 70 years in power. Rare earths are the strongest card in Beijing’s trade hand. Will it fold or hold?

Full-blown US-China Trade War? Rare Earths - US Has So Much to Lose, China Barely Feels the Loss - Global Research
 

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These dumbass trump supporters and american cocksuckers shaming china for infringing on IP theft, but America has stolen from everyone to create the base of where they are today...:mjlol:

And TBH china can fukk over america ruthlessly IF they chose to but people don't realize America is in NO position to bargain...:ufdup: you want cheap labor and rare earths but dont wanna dig rare earths on your own land and pay americans a TRUE fair wage for dangerous work...:mjlol: Lazy b*stards...

Trump supporters my god y’all are dumb :dead:

You LIVE in America jackass.

You are at the MERCY of America’s economy.

When Trump leaves office and a Democrat comes in, China will continue to be a currency manipulator, will continue to steal ip and will continue to try to solidify their hegemony to rival the US until it reaches a breaking point. For the same reason why Western Europe, namely Germany, vetoed Russian gas pipelines and didn't want to be dependent on Russian oil while Vladimir Putin is out here wilding, Western countries don’t want Chinese companies entrenched in their communications infrastructure for obvious reasons. Are you thinking with common sense right now or are you a weirdo Coli Militant with an anarchist fantasy? Because if shyt pops off ever between the USA and China, and it really could one day, your silly ass will be burning right along with us :aicmon:
 

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These dumbass trump supporters and american cocksuckers shaming china for infringing on IP theft, but America has stolen from everyone to create the base of where they are today...:mjlol:

And TBH china can fukk over america ruthlessly IF they chose to but people don't realize America is in NO position to bargain...:ufdup: you want cheap labor and rare earths but dont wanna dig rare earths on your own land and pay americans a TRUE fair wage for dangerous work...:mjlol: Lazy b*stards...
Peeps have agendas & think everyone is stupid . These guys want to go into china & do what they want without any repercussions , typical american greed
 
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Dummies siding with Huawei not realizing 97% of Huawei’s technology was straight up stolen from Western tech firms. Their only competitive advantage is being able to copy and produce goods that other companies make at cheaper prices. That’s not innovation. That’s exploiting currency devaluation and lax ip theft laws in Asia. How can they be a true industry leader if they have to have whole departments dedicated to corporate espionage to steal what Nokia, Ericsson, Cisco, Motorola and others are doing?
1. What manufacturers have phones In production that rivalry’s camera functionality of the Huawei p30?

2. As a consumer why should I give a fukk about who stole what tech?
 

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1. What manufacturers have phones In production that rivalry’s camera functionality of the Huawei p30?

2. As a consumer why should I give a fukk about who stole what tech?

Put money where your mouth is and buy Huawei stock :russ:
 
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