The tonedeaf war on Netflix at film festivals continues

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Not posting the full article but some excerpts say it all. I only focus on Netflix (as does the article) although this goes for Amazon as well.

CICAE, the International Confederation of Art Cinemas, argues that instead of screening Netflix-backed films like Alfonso Cuaron's 'Roma,' Venice should reserve competition slots for “works of art that will be seen in cinemas internationally.”

“Earlier this year, Thierry Fremaux, director of the Cannes Film Festival, set an example and took the side of art cinemas and decided to exclude films without a theatrical release in France from competition,” CICAE said in the statement. “A prestigious film festival allowing in its official selection lineup titles that will not be seen on the big screen internationally encourages practices that endanger an important sector of the film industry. Cinema and television are different mediums, and cinematic films are made to be seen according to high-quality standards on the big screen.”

Venice: Art House Cinemas Call for Netflix Ban


I am actually on their side of the argument but I am baffled by how completely tonedeaf their statements are. It is a serious issue for arthouse cinemas that many films currently receiving massive spotlights at various film festivals will probably not be released theatrically or in such limited capacity that they won't see any benefit from it.

A film like Cuaron's Roma or the Coen brothers' new film are basically "blockbusters" for arthouse cinemas, the films they make most of their money from and festival winners always do good business too for those theaters.

But the bolded lines that television and cinema are vastly different and there are supposed high quality standards for cinematic films are absurdly elitist and ignore that the quality of television production is the highest that it has ever been. It's such a dumb-ass thing to say too because it only detracts attention from the actual issue at hand that arthouse theaters will suffer from Netflix' monopolizing of their films.

And it's not as if Netflix releases these films in theaters for a limited time to throw theaters a bone, they only do it because they have to in order to make their films eligible for awards. Netflix wants to have their cake and eat it too, so I can't even blame festivals and organisations from saying 'fukk that shyt!' but they really hurt their arguments with this tonedeaf nonsense. The Netflix line-up at Venice and Telluride is the best film line-up since Netflix started going into original content, and instead of trying to banish them, they should work harder with Netflix to find something that benefits both parties instead of neither.
 

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Amazon puts their movies in theaters for months before going on their service. Netflix is day and date.
 

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I'm split on this. Even though everyone's gotten comfortable watching movies at home, most films were meant to be seen on 50 feet wide screens, not 50-inch wide screens.

Plus Amazon puts their movies in theaters, I don't understand why Netflix doesn't just screen these flicks in LA for one or two weeks so they can be eligible for the Oscars.
 

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Just like the recording industry wasn't ready for the internet...neither are the big studios....they want it one way...but it is fast tracking the other way
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I'm split on this. Even though everyone's gotten comfortable watching movies at home, most films were meant to be seen on 50 feet wide screens, not 50-inch wide screens.

Plus Amazon puts their movies in theaters, I don't understand why Netflix doesn't just screen these flicks in LA for one or two weeks so they can be eligible for the Oscars.
They do screen them specifically for that purpose.
 

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If the theatrical aspect of filmmaking goes away, eventually actors will make less money, because you are removing additional ancillary revenue streams to simply go straight to streaming. It's not as cut and dry as Netflix bad, traditional studios good. Domestic and international distribution still matters for certain types of films.

No one would realize how big Crazy Rich Asians could be if Netflix had made the film. Now the production companies and WB can sell the film in many ancillary markets (including Netflix) and make way more money. They gambled and the gamble paid off. Not every film should be a Netflix movie, but there are "many" that should be. Like movies that Dee Rees makes for example that will probably never make a dime.
 

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Just like the recording industry wasn't ready for the internet...neither are the big studios....they want it one way...but it is fast tracking the other way
In this scenario the issue isn't with the studios though, it's the theater chains (especially the smaller arthouse theaters) which make most of their profit of festival buzz films. If those are Netflix one-week only releases (that due to their limited release will already miss a ton of theaters), they will barely reap any box office profits from them.

This on-going war might have started as an elitist struggle against streaming services, but it's more and more becoming evident that it's the bypassed theaters who will suffer here.

If the theatrical aspect of filmmaking goes away, eventually actors will make less money, because you are removing additional ancillary revenue streams to simply go straight to streaming. It's not as cut and dry as Netflix bad, traditional studios good. Domestic and international distribution still matters for certain types of films.

No one would realize how big Crazy Rich Asians could be if Netflix had made the film. Now the production companies and WB can sell the film in many ancillary markets (including Netflix) and make way more money. They gambled and the gamble paid off. Not every film should be a Netflix movie, but there are "many" that should be. Like movies that Dee Rees makes for example that will probably never make a dime.

This is also a great example. Netflix reportedly threw a guaranteed trilogy deal plus tons of money at the makers, but because they were adamant about bringing a picture with a full Asian cast to the big screen, they opted out of the Netflix deal. If they had taken it, it would've probably been buried in the gigantic slate of Netflix films that are released and forgotten about after a day because Netflix doesn't even advertise releases in a traditional way. The guaranteed pot of gold is too attractive for a lot of filmmakers, but if you have confidence, a theatrical release is still the fastest way to get attention on your product.
 

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And this site is a tough place to have these conversations because many of the people here only like comic book movies and television shows and seem to prefer to watch everything else at home. I wish I could've seen THE FUGITIVE or SYRIANA on the big screen. I missed out in both cases.

If Netflix continues to be intransigent to the festivals' perspective on how they release films, we are just going to keep going in circles. And unfortunately, in other countries the government regulatory bodies have a much larger say in how entertainment is disseminated to the public than USA does. A lot of these places will never allow Netflix to monopolize how they show content, the French most notably.

Just because Netflix is innovative, doesn't mean that all the traditional ways are now ineffective.
 
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