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Leeisme@mastodon.xyz
Tesla stock is in absolute free fall and the funniest reaction to me has to be Tesla Owners of Silicon Valley posting: Hey, other car companies also did nazi shyt.
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@Leeisme
That was like 80 years ago, your CEO did a sieg heil less than 2 months ago.
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jackdaw_ruiz@normal.style
@Leeisme i am choosing to interpret this as their mistaking correlation and causation, and believing it's necessary to be called a nazi for a while to be a real big boy car company.
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jmcrookston@mastodon.social
@jackdaw_ruiz @Leeisme sadly you are probably correct here
5/28
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vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de
@Leeisme The internal combustion engine and the first car was invented in Germany at the end of 19th century - so its hardly surprising the Nazis would have taken over industries that already existed, and by the time VW actually sold vehicles to civilians (its pre war output was exclusively military vehicles, no civillian cars were actually available) it had been wrestled away from the Nazis and was under Allied control. OTOH Musk actively chose to become a Nazi...
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silkester@mastodon.social
@vfrmedia @Leeisme I wouldn't excuse 1930s German car manufacturers. They were willing partners of the Nazis. VW even added shame to their ethics history in recent years.But wrongs of others don't make a right or excuse anything.
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vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de
@silkester @Leeisme I've got two 1970s era books - "the AA Book of the Car" and "Das Grosse ADAC Autobuch", which are essentially the same book, in English and German. Both had editorial input from VW.The UK version goes into some detail of the history of KDF/Volkswagen at the start (including the infamous picture of Hitler with the KDF-Wagen) - this is (unsurprisingly!) absent from the German version (replaced with a section about popular German cars of the era)
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silkester@mastodon.social
@vfrmedia @Leeisme Nor does VW advertise Uighur slave labor in China or discriminating ads in South America or organised crime with the fine dust exhaust scandal in Germany to name three at the top of my head from recent years.¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I welcome that Tesla is getting the receipt for their lack of ethics.
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taurus@thicc.horse
@silkester @vfrmedia @Leeisme that is correct. The car manufactuers have been willing partners.To be fair: everyone not willing would cease to exist. All those thousands of companies not willing to work with the nazis simply are no more
10/28
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taurus@thicc.horse
@silkester @vfrmedia @Leeisme Volkswagen and Siemens are talking about this on their company website. They are open about this and pretend to regret it.Many many other companys do the same but these at least are the two I recently checked upon.It wasn't just the companys or the gouverment but all the small people who voted for fascism, marched for fascism and supported fascism.Over 99 % of population were complicit. It's not "just the evil gouverment"
11/28
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taurus@thicc.horse
@silkester @vfrmedia @Leeisme we germans like to pretend "it's all hitlers fault" but millions of germans participated.Only a very small minority worked against the nazis
12/28
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CppGuy@infosec.space
@taurusThat's an important lesson for the US today and, if we're unlucky, the UK after the next general election in 2029. If it can happen in Germany and the US, it can happen anywhere, and we are morally obliged to fight it every step of the way.@silkester @vfrmedia @Leeisme
13/28
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kikebenlloch@mastodon.social
@CppGuy @taurus @silkester @vfrmedia @Leeisme It's essential to understand this isn't a "German problem before" or a "US problem now". It can literally happen anywhere.
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CppGuy@infosec.space
@kikebenllochAgreed. One unfortunate consequence of nationalism is that people think, "It couldn't happen here; we're better than that." We're not, and it absolutely could happen here.@taurus @silkester @vfrmedia @Leeisme
15/28
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gekko3k@mastodon.social
@taurus @silkester @vfrmedia @Leeisme Those who did were shot.But yeah, today's keyboard warriors are way tougher of course.
16/28
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silkester@mastodon.social
@gekko3k Not in the beginning. Nazis were honest for a while with the gate mantra "Arbeit Macht Frei" (Work will set you free) — the opposition was thrown in work camps and released.It wasn't the same kind of forced slavery and debilitating starvation of political prisoners than in later years.And denigrating keyboard warriors is hardly the encouragement we need. Is it?We're preaching to the choir here for the most part, anyhow.@taurus @vfrmedia @Leeisme
17/28
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lyndamerry484@mastodon.social
@silkester @gekko3k @taurus @vfrmedia @Leeisme '"Arbeit Macht Frei" (Work will set you free) 'Above Auschwitz Gate!They knew what Hitler was, he had already written down and published his vile ideology.
18/28
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pete@mas.to
@taurus @silkester @vfrmedia @Leeisme “pretend to regret” - what are your criteria to prove that we *actually* regret?
19/28
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silkester@mastodon.social
@taurus @vfrmedia @Leeisme Sadly, the trouble with this is that if all had resisted, Nazis wouldn't have had the power to act.The horrifying truth is, that the zeitgeist of the time was Nazi conform worldwide. The US was only a short step removed from Nazi philosophy and much of Nazi-philosophy was preserved and alive and kicking around the globe in many small and big details.
20/28
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vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de
@silkester @taurus @Leeisme A while back I found a promotional film from early 1940s for KDF-Wagen (*not* post war Typ 1/Käfer), not even on YT but from archive.org of propaganda material the Allies seized.Two things struck me - the first was it was edited *exactly* like a car video a German Youtuber might make today, the second was city streets weren't full with Nazi-banners like in later wartime films, they looked normal and it seemed folk were perfectly happy with the situation..
21/28
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taurus@thicc.horse
@vfrmedia @silkester @Leeisme huh only found two videos on archive searching for "kdf wagen"
22/28
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vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de
@taurus @silkester @Leeisme it may have been taken down, or was on another video streaming service (I didn't share the link at the time, I found it as I'm on a German instance as I'm not sure about the laws (even though its a historical context) and I don't want to cause the admin here any trouble!
23/28
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taurus@thicc.horse
@silkester @vfrmedia @Leeisme yesIt's horrible and we can't let it happen againNot with german AfDNot with U.S. MAGA
24/28
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silkester@mastodon.social
@taurus @vfrmedia @Leeisme I wish it were that easy. Merz won despite starting culture wars like the Republicans, despite hate politics (Volksverhetzing) in CDU/CSU campaign material and current proposals to water down German Basic Law.Too many Germans don't even recognize the signs.
25/28
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vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de
@silkester @taurus @Leeisme also here in UK it was *not* always like the "British were WW2 heroes" shown on our telly and films, there was significant support for Hitler amongst the upper classes and it took a lot of propaganda and action from security services to remove "fifth columnists" who wanted Hitler to win (especially in my area which borders the North Sea), and the descendants of those fascists are still involved in right wing politics today..
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silkester@mastodon.social
@vfrmedia @taurus @Leeisme Oh I was proposed by an Irish in a London pub in the 80s with the flirt line that the Irish supported the Krauts in WWII, as if he could score points with boasting that Ireland sympathized with Nazi Germany.¯\_(ツ)_/¯ White supremacy is hard to eradicate.
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mmalc@mastodon.social
@vfrmedia @silkester @taurus @Leeisme Case in point:
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silkester@mastodon.social
@feld @Leeisme It wasn't abuse of workers in general. It was abuse of PoC in particular.Besides Americanism aka predatory capitalism paired with racism is a huge part of Nazi culture and and thus not a contradiction.A good part of Nazi philosophy was inspired by Jim Crow.
How the Nazis Were Inspired by Jim Crow | HISTORY
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