The Sweet Life of Zach and Coby: We got AK's, The Official 2021 Chicago Bulls Off Season Thread
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@OffHalsted
The 100s LochNess
Floated this idea in the Ben Simmons Trade Watch Thread...
Lauri (sign and trade)
Coby
Filler(?)
for
Simmons
Who says no?
Lauri (sign and trade)
Coby
Filler(?)
for
Simmons
Who says no?
cornercommission2k12
so this were u dudes went
I would do that deal.
I think Philly would want more than that for Simmons though. Although in reality he not worth more than that.
god shamgod
Veteran
philly. Morey gonna want lavine , Simmons value may be low right now but I highly doubt this enough. Simmons pops taught him to shoot left handed ,dude right handed he eats right,scored more(lay ups,hooks etc)right handed,writes right handed , but it’s in his mind to shoot left. If they can change his shooting form to his natural hand & make him an below average shooter that can at least take & make an open jumper/3 then he’s an all around beast it’s all mental. Morey star chases he’s gonna try to get Beal or something like that
He is not getting any young stars for Simmons. Bulls hang up in his face asking for Lavine.
Done ..if your the BULLs thats a easy kall
sixers would never go for that tho ..why would they, you would need to throw in picks and extra shxt for them to even consider
@god shamgod
u should have seen his pops form... at him givin anyone advice on how 2 shoot 
I'd take him if for that deal tho.Me.
Keep Ben away from this team.
I'm not entertaining a Simmons/Lavine trade because after you do that, you still have to go and replace that scoring punch to maximize Ben's skillset. IMO, you need 3 consistent high level scoring options with Simmons to get the most out of his game. Similarly to Draymond during the KD GS era.
there’s a lot of pressure to improve the roster this offseason since we have flexibility. they went all in on this Vucevic trade with the assumption we aren’t keeping our pick so I assume they have an aggressive plan 
If you're Philly do you risk going into next season seeing if he improves his scoring? Or trade him now?
If he comes back the exact same player, then his value tanks lower and teams are going to try to finesse them further.
Biggest names outside of Lavine who I've seen mentioned in this are CJ and Kemba. Those guys are better than Coby White right now, but Coby is only 21 and he still has decent upside and is on a rookie deal. You do a 2 year deal with Lauri and Philly can gain back some flexibility financially and infuse shooting in their roster.
Well, even considering that, the dynamics of how Zach and Vucci sharing the court are very different from Steph and KD. Steph and KD are 2 of the greatest shooters and scorers to play the game, wouldn't say that about Zach and Vucci.
Here's another thing that can't be missed, and this aspect of the game in particular is why Draymond can even be on the floor sometimes, Steph is also probably the greatest off-ball player the game has ever seen. They run a disciplined offense that has a lot of movement which creates lanes for Dray to read the defense and allows him to be effective. I haven't seen any indication that we can or will replicate that, and with Vucci being a 5 he's going to find himself being a screener and a decoy rather than a guy you're freeing up via movement.
Lastly, your team's halfcourt offense natively becomes slower if one of your best players is a center and one of the slower guys on the court. Your team takes on the identity of your best players. However, to make the most of Simmons you want to get in transition and move fast, I don't see it, it's a clash of styles. My verdict? Stay away, far away from Ben.
unless we somehow fleece philly
All true, which is why the Lavine for Ben trade makes no sense to me because essentially it's constructing a team that has the same offensive issues Philly has had with Embiid and Ben, just with a less talented 5 instead.Well, even considering that, the dynamics of how Zach and Vucci sharing the court are very different from Steph and KD. Steph and KD are 2 of the greatest shooters and scorers to play the game, wouldn't say that about Zach and Vucci.
Here's another thing that can't be missed, and this aspect of the game in particular is why Draymond can even be on the floor sometimes, Steph is also probably the greatest off-ball player the game has ever seen. They run a disciplined offense that has a lot of movement which creates lanes for Dray to read the defense and allows him to be effective. I haven't seen any indication that we can or will replicate that, and with Vucci being a 5 he's going to find himself being a screener and a decoy rather than a guy you're freeing up via movement.
Lastly, your team's halfcourt offense natively becomes slower if one of your best players is a center and one of the slower guys on the court. Your team takes on the identity of your best players. However, to make the most of Simmons you want to get in transition and move fast, I don't see it, it's a clash of styles. My verdict? Stay away, far away from Ben.
god shamgod
Veteran
I definitely think he’s getting traded but for a star caliber talent if they can’t get that then they’ll try to fix his offensive issues. Lavine is all the bulls got , vuc obviously don’t fit with them
Simmons issues are mental , they still may try to change his form & keep him but knowing morey I think he’s gone ,Simmons was already offered for harden. They have to maximize embiids window , dude stays injured.they may be desperate to get his contract off the books to free up space for Lowry and/or derozan etc that’s about the only hope for the bulls. Just sign lonzo instead it’ll be cheaper and at least he can shoot + do similar things Simmons does