The Sopranos Series - Re-Watch (Spoilers!!!)

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I need somebody to explain something to me. I'm only halfway through s2e7 so no spoilers.

But when did Poocey or Pu55y, whatever this fools name is, get flipped?

I kept seeing him hang out with the fat dude, Edgar from 24, but I thought Edgar was a mobster from a different set this whole time. I'm just now realizing that he's a cop.

Did Pu55y flip when he was in Costa Rica? Or was Peter McCallister right when he first said it?
Flipped offscreen.

And it's Big p*ssy as in Cat burglar
 

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I always thought that scene where Chris is looking around the room and everyone laughing, was somewhat exaggerated in Chris' mind. I got sober too when I was young, never dropped the friends and crew, and never experienced that kind of distancing or in group/out group pressure, but that's just to qualify my point, that many alchoholics and addicts worst traits is making everything about them, and being very thin skinned and ego centric.

doesn't mean they weren't clowning, but I thought it was meant to be a little in his mind, that the whole room was laughing hysterically at him.

Also, Chris, as an addict and alcoholic, doesn't realize the degree alcohol clouds and depresses his judgement.
 
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I always thought that scene where Chris is looking around the room and everyone laughing, was somewhat exaggerated in Chris' mind. I got sober too when I was young, never dropped the friends and crew, and never experienced that kind of distancing or in group/out group pressure, but that's just to qualify my point, that many alchoholics and addicts worst traits is making everything about them, and being very thin skinned and ego centric.

doesn't mean they weren't clowning, but I thought it was meant to be a little in his mind, that the whole room was laughing hysterically at him.

Also, Chris, as an addict and alcoholic, doesn't realize the degree alcohol clouds and depresses his judgement.
He knows that alcohol clouds his judgement, we had a whole thing with Chrissy not drinking or anything.. 100% clean and Tony and everyone kept up the peer pressure of how intolerable he was and even tony yelling at him "why don't you go have a fukking drink"

All the pressure built up and then he relapsed and that was it..
 
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Hot water with who? Who's above Tony and Junior? If Tony is the street boss, then who is he answering to?

Made guys can’t just get killed for no reason. (Actual reasons would be hitting another made guy, fukking another made guys wife)

That sets the wrong tone for the other made guys as they’re supposed to be untouchable.

Also Ralph’s the biggest earner in the family, and also the lead on the joint construction project with New York. So if Tony clips him and the reasoning isn’t for violating actual rules, it would be without NY’s blessing. NY is much more powerful, and like 10x the size of the Jersey family (irl, think Genovese or Gambino family with 200-250 members vs decavalcante family (Jersey) with 30-40 members.).

Internally Tony doesn’t answer to anyone but he has to clear a lot of shyt with NY, and that’s how the Jersey family is/was irl. In the show, Tony still needed clearance from NY to make Chrissy & Eugene.

DeCavs:



Irl nyc looks down on Jersey and dudes that couldn’t get made in the 5 families went over to Jersey to get their button.
 
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Thanks for answering my question @Whips-n-Chains



On another note, I know a lot of brehs have been worried about me getting spoiled while I'm in this thread, but so far so good. I've made it 3 seasons and haven't got spoiled on nothing as of yet :mjgrin:

Knock on wood :sadcam:

What did you think when Janice killed richies bytch ass?
 

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doesn't mean they weren't clowning, but I thought it was meant to be a little in his mind, that the whole room was laughing hysterically at him.

Also, Chris, as an addict and alcoholic, doesn't realize the degree alcohol clouds and depresses his judgement.
It's a mix of both. Chris believes everyone's against him already for multiple reasons (rehab, people still think Tony fukked Adriana, his movie shyt) so all of the slights and jokes come off worse to him than they would to others.

What made it extra worse here is that they made fun of his child. They wouldn't do that shyt to others, in fact I don't think we've ever seen mobsters talk shyt about each others kids to each other. Coupled with how Paulie and little Paulie keep undermining him this episode, and Bobby and Sil smirking when Tony lashes out at him earlier - It's kind of clear that Chris is food in the streets.

So you're right, and when he leaves a few of them are surprised at his reaction - but they definitely crossed a line, imo. After his death it's clear that there was genuine love for him from everyone except devil ass Tony.

Compare this to 2 episodes later when Tony has to walk into the Bing after AJ tried committing suicide, or how he reacts when Meadow tells him about her run-in with that creepy ass Coco.

Even in the final episode Tony tries to tell Paulie about his gambling luck having improved after Chris died and Paulie gives him the :gucci:
 

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I can't quantify this, but I think the jokes are displayed pretty evenly, and according to hierarchy, Chris always got a lot because he was last made. The kid thing seemed like typical jokes, but it's Chris who is different and more vulnerable, from his sobriety and fatherhood, and disillusioned with it all.

I think it played into the whole theme of the episode, as in Walk Like a Man, and what it means to be a man, in this Mafia world. Chris couldn't be vulnerable with those guys, because that's not the culture.

Also, years later, I got more from that D Girl episode, where Chris experiences severe disillusionment with the Mafia life, I didn't notice this on this level before, but it's the Manhattan/Hollywood cultural elite/intellectual side vs. the Jersey suburbs, where Tony, Aide, Carm, are talking about wedding food. They don't talk about movies, or art, or the intellectual coolness of the D Girl, that isn't their world. it's marriage and family, and shut up, don't get too fancy on us.

Chris can't take it, because he was drawn to the other side, but could never get there.

and to tie back to to the Paulie convo, Chris is looking and having a deeper conversation, (a deeper more fulfilling life than the mafia offers) than those guys are able or willing to have. He's also drunk and doesn't realize this isn't the time. To some degree, I relate. I hate those thin conversations that are just banter, or back and forth jokes, but I know the time and place to be vulnerable and to get it back.
 
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