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A Two-Pound Ukrainian Drone Just Shot Down A 12-Ton Russian Helicopter​


It may be the first time a drone has destroyed a helicopter in mid-air.
David Axe

Forbes Staff

David Axe writes about ships, planes, tanks, drones and missiles.

Jul 31, 2024,04:45pm EDT

A Russian Mil Mi-8.


A Russian Mil Mi-8.

Vitaly V. Kuzmin photo

Ukrainian forces deploy more than 100,000 explosive first-person-view drones a month all along the 700-mile front line of Russia’s 28-month wider war on Ukraine. The drones smash into armored vehicles, chase down exposed infantry and follow artillery fire back to its origin in order to target Russian howitzers.

And today one of the small quadcopter drones—remotely steered by an operator wearing a virtual-reality headset—shot down a Russian helicopter, apparently for the first time.

Photos and videos that circulated on social media depict the Mil Mi-8 transport helicopter burning near Donetsk in Russian-occupied eastern Ukraine. “A speedy recovery to the survivors,” one Russian blogger wrote.

This new use of explosive drones has been a long time coming. As long ago as September, Ukrainian operators first tried ramming their flying robots into Russian helicopters mid-flight. The drone threat got so serious that the Russian air force began assigning some helicopters to escort other helicopters.

It apparently took at least 10 months of trying before a Ukrainian drone operator finally hit a Russian helicopter. The months of misses are understandable. A helicopter can fly faster than 150 miles per hour at altitudes exceeding thousands of feet—too fast and too high for a two-pound drone to get a clean shot without an enormous degree of skill or luck on the part of the operator.

The Ukrainian drone pilot in the Wednesday shoot-down was very skilled or lucky—or both. They spotted the 12-ton, three-crew Russian helicopter—which performs attack, transport and medical-evacuation missions—while it was still close to the ground. “Caught at the moment of takeoff,” a Russian blogger reported.

An FPV drone normally carries just a few pounds of explosives. But it doesn’t take much firepower to knock down a helicopter if it takes a hit it in the rotors.

After more than two years of war, Ukrainian drone operators have become extremely adept at targeting the most vulnerable parts of Russian targets: flying drones into the open hatches of armored personnel carriers, under the add-on armor on so-called “turtle tanks” and through the doors of reinforced infantry dugouts.

Compared to a 36-inch-wide hatch, an Mi-8’s 12-foot-diameter rotor disc is an easy target.

What might be most impressive is how far the Russian helicopter may have been from the front line. The western edge of Donetsk is just three miles from the front line—well within the range of an unaided FPV drone.

But the eastern edge of the city is closer to 10 miles from the front line. That’s apparently where the shoot-down took place. “The distance,” the second blogger explained, “is very significant.”

To travel 10 miles, an FPV might need help from a second drone, trailing a few miles behind, that captures and rebroadcasts its short-range command signal. It’s a complex operation requiring careful coordination.

The Russian military has hundreds of helicopters and, so far, has lost just a hundred or so to Ukrainian action. One more loss isn’t catastrophic for the Russians. But now that the Ukrainians have droned their first helicopter, they may redouble their efforts to take down Russian rotorcraft.

Considering how many FPV drones the Ukrainians deploy every month, the threat to Russian helicopters could intensify—a lot.

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1/29

The Russian MoD released footage of Lancet kamikaze drones striking at Ukrainian equipment such as M113 APCs, Stryker combat vehicles and Bradley M2A2 IFV's. No war goes without losses, and it shows the seriousness of this operation.


2/29

According to Russian sources. PMC Wagner forces stationed in Belarus as well as units from the Aida group of the Akhmat Special Forces were pulled up to the Kursk region.


3/29

Multiple Russian sources now report that heavy fighting is ongoing on the approaches of Korenovo. Where -as they claim- Ukrainian units including lots of armored vehicles are pressing inside the town. It is likely that Ukraine has expanded its the flank towards Snagost' but we need further confirmation.


4/29

Map update as of 11:00 this morning


RU sources report that fighting is underway inside Kruglen'koe, which coincides with earlier reports of AFU pushing more north(east).

According to RU sources based on local reports, AFU has presence and control over Kazach'ya Loknya

The current situation in Sudzha remains unclear but likely there is AFU presence.


5/29

Interesting claim from Russian source Two Majors. They claim that 6-7 Ukrainian tanks were firing on the village of Ivnitsa. Which means they must be in the close vicinity (2-3km). Ivnitsa is 12km from the current front in the Kursk region.


6/29

Situation in the Kursk region. Streets are empty and lots of abandoned and destroyed vehicles can be seen. Russia brought war to its own soil.


7/29

Ah yes, was waiting for this one.


Polish and French speech was noted by Russian soldiers in the Kursk region


8/29

Z-blogger Romanov with a much telling update. Seems like he is again tired of going along with the lies of other Russian channels and MoD. Just like he did in the Kherson region.


Yes, Ukrainians are retreating.... in the direction of Rylsk with heavy equipment


9/29

Wounded Z-war correspondent Yevgeny Poddubny was taken to the Sklifosovsky Institute of Emergency Care in Moscow. Yesterday he was hit by an FPV near Sudzha, after which he was initially claimed dead. Later it turned out he was not dead, but heavily wounded and treated in Kursk.


10/29

Preliminary reports indicate that fighting is ongoing near the village of Anastas'evka. This would mean Ukraine has bypassed Sudzha from the west and pushed further north. This still needs further confirmation.


11/29

New footage from UA equipment moving with the new tactical sign.


12/29

Footage from the operation at the Sudzha checkpoint at the border, following the surrender of a large group of Russian soldiers.


13/29

I am reading this in a lot of Russian channels. Russians are warning for Ukrainian DRG groups, working deep behind enemy lines.


"Be careful, there are many."


14/29

The "North" group defeated AFU brigades in Kursk, Sumy and Kharkiv regions, enemy losses amounted to up to 415 military, the Russian Defense Ministry said.


Parallel universe.


15/29

Russian channels closely related to PMC Wagner confim the deployment to the Kursk region of the Ratibor group (1st assault squadron), lead by well known senior Wagner commander Alexander Kuznetsov, callsign Ratibor. He is one of Wagner's founders.


16/29

The Kursk region has been hit by a massive DDoS attack, causing many services to go down and become temporarily unavailable. Specialists from the regional Ministry of Digital Development and Communications said they are working to restore the functionalities.


17/29

Ukraine's surprise incursion into Kursk region, has caught the Russian military off guard. The operation, now in its third day, has embarrassed Putin and led to criticism of Russian military leadership.


Bloomberg - Are you a robot?


18/29

More and more Russian channels start to worry about a new operation into the Bilhorod region besides what is happening in the Kursk region.


"There is a significant concentration of enemy forces north of Kharkiv, suggesting that new actions may soon begin in the area. The situation resembles the enemy's preparations before the offensive in the Kursk region, possibly indicating a strategy to stretch and exhaust Russian forces by forcing frequent relocations. Another front could potentially "flare up" in the coming days."


19/29

Several Russian sources report that Korenevo is not fully under Russian control anymore. While this still needs further confirmation, it shows that the AFU has indeed stepped up actions in this direction and Russia is unable to stop the advance completely.


20/29

Russians are really starting to worry.


"In Hlukhiv, near the Rylsk direction, there is active enemy electronic warfare activity, indicating an attempt to conceal troop movements. Military equipment is being moved towards the border from various directions."


21/29

New map update as of 14:00 from the Kursk region


RU sources confirm AFU took control over Bogdanovka, Knyazhiy, 1st Knyazhiy and 2nd Knyazhiy

AFU entered and grabbed a foothold in Myrnyi, the roundabout north of the town is contested.

AFU is trying to encircle remaining units and is attacking towards Martynovka

Sudzha almost completely under AFU control, there are some remaining pockets.

Fighting has been reported and started in Snagost'


It is very much possible that the extend Ukrainian control goes beyond this map, but there is a completely info blackout from the Ukrainian side.


22/29

Three train stations in the Kursk region—Sudzha, Korenevo, and Psel—have been temporarily closed to passengers, according to the Moscow Railway.


23/29

A resident of Sudzha, Kursk region, criticized the media for lying, stating that there was no organized evacuation from the city.


Because Russia doesn't care about its citizens. Will you ever understand?


24/29

"In Malaya Lokna, Khokhls (derogatory Russian term for Ukrainians) and mercenaries are going house to house and checking all buildings and basements for people."


Based on this report from a Russian source, Ukraine has already presence inside Malaya Lokna. Yet to determine from which direction.


25/29

Two Russian battalions, the 17th battalion of the 488th regiment and the 31st battalion of the 102nd brigade, are reportedly encircled near Sudzha. Z-bloggers claim that the command is aware of the situation but is not taking action.


26/29

Map update 16:00 - Kursk region


RU sources confirm AFU presence in Malaya Lokhna, adding to previous rumours.

We are pretty certain this advance came through the railway tracks north of Lokhnya and via Nikol'skii-Viktorovka.

AFU presence is reported in Martynovka and in the fields west of it. Waiting for confirmation.

RU sources even claim Ukraine is already pushing north towards Bol'shoe Soldatskoe.


There are additionally some rumours that AFU forward units already within 30km of the Kursk NPP. These claims could not be confirmed via credible/multiple sources.


27/29

The Aida Group - 204 Special Forces Regiment Akhmat which has been withdrawn from Vovchansk, has arrived in the Kursk region.


28/29

Some Russian channels have reported that clashes have emerged near Kromskie Byki, 15km north of Malaya Lohknya (known front line), and 30km south of the Kursk NPP. Earlier this morning, Russian channels reported that Ukrainian tanks fired at Ivnitsa.


For now, this is for your information. There is no confirmation of control by Ukrainian forces of these areas.


29/29

Putin is meeting with the acting governor of the Kursk region, Alexei Smirnov, to discuss the current situation in the region. Putin expressed his awareness of the overall situation but requested Smirnov's assessment and details on the organization and coordination of the work of various authorities.



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1/13
1/ Despite China's professed support for Russia, Russian drone-makers complain that Chinese companies are providing them with poor-quality, defective, overpriced components that are delivered late or not at all. They attribute it to China covertly seeking to weaken Russia. ⬇️

2/13
2/ Russian drone manufacturers are heavily dependent on imported Chinese components. According to research by the Yermak-@McFaul International Expert Group, 67% of the components in the Shahed-136/131, Lancet and Orlan-10 drones come from China.

3/13
3/ The 'Vostok Battalion' Telegram channel reports that Ukraine's recent successes in its Kursk offensive were aided by a previously unseen ability to evade enemy electronic warfare systems. The Russians say they themselves lack this ability due to problems with Chinese supplies:

4/13
4/ "After the operation undertaken by Ukraine, military analysts subjected all the features of Ukrainian tactics to a detailed analysis. Technical nuances were noted that provided Ukraine with an advantage.

5/13
5/ "For example, the frequency ranges of the UAVs used turned out to be outside the range of suppression by our electronic warfare – shifted, as analysts say.

6/13
6/ "This allowed the units going for a breakthrough to act more effectively than it could have been with equal competitive capabilities. And what provides these capabilities? Or who?

7/13
7/ "With your help, we participate in this technology race, and being a small division by the standards of state corporations, we strive to be as flexible as possible: we constantly monitor changes at the front and make adjustments to the equipment that we transfer to the front.

8/13
8/ "But the most powerful obstacle in this matter for us is our dear China. Recently, we finally received a batch of components in the "shifted" range - that is, different from the most common ones.

9/13
9/ "Almost the entire batch turned out to be defective, despite the fact that the products were not cheap.

10/13
10/ "Delivery times, payment terms, quality of deliveries, periodic bans on shipping certain types of goods - we can say that China honestly follows all Western guidelines in relation to us.

11/13
11/ "Ukraine, however, does not encounter such problems - no one prohibits China from trading with it goods of either dual or direct use.

12/13
12/ "It is wildly annoying to feel such dependence on such a "friend" who will only be glad of our weakening - to bargain for even more discounts on oil." /end

Sources:
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🔹 2/3 of foreign parts in Russian drones made in China

13/13
Thread by @ChrisO_wiki on Thread Reader App


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1/11
1/ As Ukrainian forces advance in the Kursk region, law and order in frontline Russian-held areas is reported to have collapsed completely. "Rampant looting" is said have broken out – being done by the Russians themselves – while local residents say they feel abandoned. ⬇️

2/11
2/ The VChK-OGPU Telegram channel reports that "in the border areas of the Kursk region, where fighting has been going on all week, there are no police, no firefighters, no doctors, no representatives of the administration.

3/11
3/ "According to official information, more than 76,000 people left the settlements (most of them left on their own, since there was no organized evacuation, despite the statements of the authorities), but there are still people there, mostly elderly."

4/11
4/ The channel says that "the desertion of villages and towns has become a catalyst for rampant looting". The disorder is being carried out by the Russians themselves, though it isn't clear if opportunistic civilians or indisciplined soldiers are responsible.

5/11
5/ A local resident says: "They are robbing stores, there is a collapse in Korenevo, the “Magnit” [supermarket, pictured below] was simply destroyed. There is no water, no gas, no electricity.

6/11
6/ "There was no organized evacuation, and if there was, then why didn’t we hear anything about it in Lobanovka [an outlying area of Korenevo]?"

According to VChK-OGPU, "a similar situation exists in other border municipalities."

7/11
7/ It reports that "Kursk residents are sure that representatives of the [regional] administration, having abandoned people to their fate, themselves provoked the collapse in the border areas.

8/11
8/ "Currently, it is impossible to get through to the administration of the Korenevsky district of the Kursk region. People are forced to self-organise in order to protect themselves and their property and essentially perform the functions of state and law enforcement agencies."

9/11
Source:


10/11
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11/11
Addendum: The Ukrainians have now published a video which shows soldiers, possibly from the Rosgvardia, looting an abandoned Russian house in the Kursk region. New thread here:


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1/11
Russians currently having a normal one on Telegram as they claim to be engaged with and destroying "two battalions" of the "French Legion," taking no prisoners, and looking forward to sending "thousands of body bags to Paris".

2/11
P.S I swear to god I can write and that absolute gore of a second and third paragraph is just me trying to maintain a faithful translation of the absolutely unhinged, fifteen comma, no full stop, writing style of the original.

3/11
“We’re not taking a single prisoner”, sounds a lot like “no quarter” to me. I love some casual admission of war crimes in the morning

4/11
He said it TWICE.

5/11
A thousand French mercs but they'll send thousands of graves? Empty or who else is going to fill them?

6/11
Mistranslation on my part, that word means "Coffins".

So they're basically saying they're going to send thousands of dead French legionaries back to Paris.

7/11
What's the name of that channel ?

8/11
"Srochneye Novostyi"
"Urgent News"

9/11
I like the image of graves heading towards Paris

10/11
It's 'coffins' I mistranslated.

11/11
Someone alert Napoleon!


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Ukrainian STORMER HVM Downs 70 Russian Drones in Two-Year Span

12 August, 2024 Starstreak missile launcher of the Stormer HVM air defense system of the Ukrainian military. August 2024. Ukraine. Frame from the ArmyInform video

Ukrainian STORMER HVM Downs 70 Russian Drones in Two-Year Span​


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The Ukrainian unit operating the British Stormer HVM anti-aircraft system has already managed to hit 70 air targets.

Soldiers of the 1129th Anti-Aircraft Missile Regiment say they have managed to do this in two years of full-scale war.

“I’ve been serving since 2022, and since then the unit has destroyed 70 drones: Zala, Supercam, Orlan-10, Orlan-30, Merlin-VR,” said the Stormer HVM operator.

In addition to the skill of the operators, this result was achieved thanks to the use of laser-guided anti-aircraft missiles, which, unlike missiles with an infrared seeker, do not need to lock on the target by thermal signature.

The British STORMER air defense system destroys targets day, night, and in any weather. It is armed with Starstreak missiles.

Each missile has three “arrows” that separate in the air and hit the target with fragments.

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A Russian drone was shot down by the Stormer HVM air defense system of the Ukrainian military. Ukraine. Frame from the ArmyInform video

The STORMER can detect targets at a distance of 18 kilometers, with a kill range of 7 kilometers.

At the same time, the launchers of the British anti-aircraft system can accommodate eight Starstreak missiles, with a total of 12 missiles.

Ракета Starstreak
Starstreak missile

“The missile is effective against aircrafts, nothing interferes with it. If a helicopter uses flares, the missile is guided by a laser to the target,” the military says.

In addition to the Starstreak missile, there is the possibility of using Martlet missiles, which provide a range of up to 9 kilometers.

The Ukrainian military said that, on average, it takes about a month to master the British system.

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Starstreak missile launcher of the Stormer HVM air defense system of the Ukrainian military. August 2024. Ukraine. Frame from the ArmyInform video

The UK government announced the transfer of these systems to Ukraine in April 2022. Hundreds of Starstreak missiles have also been delivered for these systems.
 

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New videos are surfacing from a UA operation in Giri, Russia which is about 20km from the frontline. While the attack appears to have been repelled with the UA suffering losses, it does show how deep the UA is operating in Kursk.
 

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