The Russia - Ukraine Conflict

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I have a question since Ukraine wasn't on my radar before the Russian invasion

why didn't Russia just overwhelm Ukraine with sheer numbers and brute force. This is what I expected when the war first started

I'm asking because everybody is saying the Russian military is performing very poorly

thoughts ?
See the article I posted above. Russia wants Ukraine mostly intact. They're not going to do like the United States did in carpet bomb the entire country.
 

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Evidence that the Missile that Caused the Massacre in Kramatorsk Is Not Russian but Ukrainian
By Manlio Dinucci

The serial number of the Tochka-U missile that hit the Kramatorsk railway station on 8 April 2022 is Ш91579 (in Russian) or Sh91579 (in English). This serial number marks the stock of Tochka-U missiles in the possession of the Ukrainian Army. Only the Ukrainian Armed Forces have Tochka-U missiles. Russia has not had them since 2019: they have all been deactivated. The Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics do not have and have never had Tochka-U.

The direction of the cone and the tail section of the missile that landed on the ground near the Kramatorsk train station clearly shows that it was fired from the 19th Ukrainian Missile Brigade, deployed near Dobropolie 45 km from Kramatorsk.

Previously the Ukrainian Armed Forces have used Tochka-U missiles of the same series as Ш915611 fired at Berdyansk and Ш915516 fired at Melitopol. The same missiles were used against Donetsk and Lugansk.
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NATO/EU CYNICAL SACRIFICE OF UKRAINE, BUCHA, UKRAINE FAKE NEWS, PSYCHOPATHS FILM THEIR WAR CRIMES



Russian troops evacuated Bucha on March 30. Ukrainian National Police began entering Bucha on March 31, and that same day the mayor of Bucha announced that the town was fully under the control of Ukrainian officials. At no time was there any suggestion by the mayor
or any other Ukrainian official of mass killings undertaken by Russia. Given that they are claiming bodies litter the streets they could hardly have escaped the attention of the Mayor!

It took four day for claims of a “war crime” to emerge (3rd April). Film of alleged victims on the roads in Bucha look suspicious, with “bodies” moving. (we know this has happened in other staged and acted films provided by Ukraine’s propaganda) It is claimed that civilians had been shot and buried in shallow graves. We know from the behaviour of NATO allies in the Yugoslav war that in Racak dead soldiers were dressed up as civilians and then paraded as the victims of “a massacre” which was later debunked.

There is also the possibility that those civilians in Bucha who were accused of cooperating with Russian forces could have been executed by Ukrainian forces following the Russian exit on 30th March.

It is also both unprecedented and suspicious that the British Chair of the UN Security Council refused an emergency meeting called by Russia on 3rd April to discuss the Bucha claims. A Ukrainian MP Ilya Kiva has accused the Ukrainian SBU fabricating (with the help of MI6) the Bucha “crimes”. (see youtube unless it has been censored already!)

If only we could say that “time will tell” which side is telling the truth! But there is certainly no doubt about the self-filmed Ukrainian crimes in this post (see below).

THE CYNICAL SACRIFICE OF UKRAINE

In an interview with CNN ON 20th March, Ukraine’s President Zelenskyy said of Joe Biden and the NATO leadership (the interview)

“I requested them personally to say directly that we are going to accept you into NATO in a year or two or five, just say it directly and clearly, or just say no,” Zelensky said. “And the response was very clear, you’re not going to be a NATO member, but publicly, the doors will remain open,”

Nothing shows the cynical sacrifice of Ukrainians more than this duplicitous treatment of Zelensky by NATO. PrivatelyNATO and the Biden administration were telling Zelenskyy Ukraine was never going to be in NATO, yet they told him they were going to act publiclyas if the possibility existed. The latter position (together with Zelensky’s remarks about developing nuclear weapons) they knew would provoke Russia into war.

The German President has every reason to be angry at this given that he promised Zelensky before the war that if he rejected NATO membership the Russians wouldn’t attack.

The evident (at least 8 year long) intent of the USA and NATO to provoke Russia into an attack was confirmed by Biden’s intemperate admission (on his visit to Poland) that he wanted regime change in Moscow. As Madeleine Albright (recently deceased) said in 1998

“If we have to use force, it is because we are America! We are the indispensable nation. We stand tall. We see further into the future.”

According to recent polls, one-third of the American people were enthusiastic about the idea of nuclear war with Russia. Even though as one commentator pointed out most of them would be Democrat supporting inhabitants of major cities which would be nuclear bomb targets! After years of wall to wall Russophobic bigotry and lies about Ukraine blasted out by tech companies, politicians and the mainstream media this mad mass psychosis is no surprise.

David Sanger reported for the New York Times that the Biden administration “seeks to help Ukraine lock Russia in a quagmire without inciting a broader conflict with a nuclear-armed adversary or cutting off potential paths to de-escalation … CIA officers are helping to ensure that crates of weapons are delivered into the hands of vetted (!!!) Ukrainian military units, according to American officials.”

In fact (as happened with US weapons provided to Syrian rebel forces) hundreds of tanks and anti tank weapons have found their way into the hands of the Russians as Ukrainian troops have defected, been killed or captured.

THE MINDLESS WESTERN AND UKRAINIAN WAR PROPAGANDA

Here are some examples of the blatantly distorted media and image war. A picture of an injured child from Damascus is used again as anti Russian propaganda in Ukraine:

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Here a “heartbreaking” image of a Ukrainian soldier leaving his loved one to go to war turns out to be from fiction film “The War of Chimeras”.

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The BBC broadcast on the World Service the news that somewhere called “Tarkov” was resisting the Russians. Pity it is a fictional city from a computer game!

A film of a rocket ostensibly shooting down a Russian aircraft also turned out to be a scene from a commercial film!

RUSSIAN CIVILIANS KILLED IN EAST UKRAINE DON’T MAKE NEWS

This DONETSK bombing by Ukrainian troops which killed 20 civilians was not reported in the western media. The missile was one used only by Ukrainian forces.Ukrainian army used Tochka-U rocket in fatal Donetsk missile attack, local expert claims

Indeed there is a report that a far greater crime had been intended with civilians drawn by false information to an Administration building with fake text messages.

The very next day, Monday March 14th, at about 12:20 in the afternoon, the ukrops (Ukrainian forces) launched a Tochka-U ballistic missile with a 1,000 pound anti-personnel cluster bomb warhead at the Administration building in the city center.

The ukrop nazis sent text messages and posted on social media (under fake pro-DPR accounts) for mothers, wives and sisters of our soldiers to gather at the administration building at noon on Monday to get information about their men. THIS was the intended target of the missile.

As many civilian women as possible. And it is not a rumour, I can confirm I have seen the text message myself sent to the daughter of one of my comrades. Our air defence intercepted the missile and prevented it from reaching the target, but some of the cluster bomb cassettes fell on University Avenue in downtown Donetsk (where the 20 civilians were killed).

UKRAINIAN WAR CRIMES AND PROPAGANDA

As befits a regime headed by a comedian and actor, never has one side in a war used so many actors to fake scenes for propaganda purposes. The most common has been the use of actors to fake dead bodies. The most recent being claims related to areas where Russian troops have withdrawn since 30th March. Here a “body” moves and after the car goes by, starts to get up.

A similar film was taken a couple of weeks ago ostensibly from a morgue where some 30 “bodies” were lined up. Unfortunately some of them moved while the filming was going on!

UKRAINIAN PSYCHOPATHS

But such fakes are nothing compared to the treatment by Ukrainian soldiers of captured Russians in an infamous video.

https://manifest.prod.boltdns.net/m...jN2U2ZmIzYTI4MTlhYmJjMDQ3ZDViNGIyYWM0YmE3Zg==

At the beginning of the video, we can see Ukrainian soldiers shooting newly arrived prisoners through their legs. Needless to say they are not treated. Shock could have killed them due to the pain. In the rest of the video Russian POWs lying on the ground with bullet wounds in their legs. Some of them have their legs broken. It takes psychopaths to film their own atrocities and then make it public. All of this was filmed by Ukrainian soldiers themselves.

Article 13 of the Third Geneva Convention states: “Prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated.” Here Ukrainian soldiers call up the mothers and wives of soldiers they have killed, mocking them

Ukrainian Soldiers Film Themselves Calling Up Mothers of Russian Soldiers Killed in Action And Mocking Them
CRIMES IN THE DONBASS

“Tatyana accompanies me to the hospital. She has also lived in Volnovakha most of her life. “The Ukrainians deliberately destroyed us. They needed the land. And then, it seems, the land was no longer needed, so they just beat us out of anger,” she says, pointing to holes blown into the hospital by shells and shrapnel-scarred asphalt. Then she takes me to the morgue, a small building that has also been noticeably damaged by shooting. The door turns out to be unlocked, and I see the morgue is completely filled with dead bodies. They lie in the corridor stacked up in two or three layers.

According to Tatyana, the National Guard soldiers siphoned diesel fuel from the hospital’s generators, so all the old people who depended on artificial ventilation devices died.

The Ukrainian military allegedly said they would “leave nothing” in Volnovakha if they were ousted by pro-Russian forces.

Surviving among ruins: life in a Donbass city Ukraine says no longer exists

When Fox News’ Bret Baier asked President Zelensky on Friday about reports of Azov Battalion committing atrocities, Zelensky appeared to brush them off by saying, “They are what they are, they were defending our country.” Fox then censored their report!

Infowars Article

The main reason why so many civilian buildings have been damaged and destroyed in Ukrainian towns is because Ukrainian soldiers have used those buildings and the civilians in and around them as human shields. Here is a report from Odessa which although not yet the centre of Russian operations its preparing for an attack. Ukrainian troops have apparently taken up positions in Schools and hospitals.

Одессу превращают во второй Мариуполь, в Бердянске появилась власть, потери Украины, украинцы взялись за Грецию. Хроника событий на Украине на 11:00 22 марта

Odessa native (Lev Vershinin) living in exile in the EU wrote in this article in Russian:

– Nazi/Ukr-soldiers taking positions in schools, hospitals:

– school no.1 at Mikhailovskiy-Place 10

– school no. 57 at Yamchinkiy street 7

– school no. 59 at Maraslievskyy street 60

– medical centre/surgery at Sudostroitelnaya 1

– Odessa University clinic at Tenista st. 8

– maternity clinics no.1 and no.4

– evening school no.25 at Staroportofrankovskiy st 45a

– Marinskiy gymnasium at Lev-Tolstoy-st 9

Aidar-leader Maksim Marchenko in a document of 16/3/2022 ordered his troops to prevent civilians from leaving the city (apparently a document with his stamp & signature exists). This has been the norm which is why the humanitarian corridors offered by the Russians were for a long time a dangerous failure. Only the Ukrainians have the incentive to bottle up civilians as human shields in the cities to which they have retreated. They know the Russians don’t want to destroy such heritage but are forced to fire on buildings which protect Ukrainian gun positions. Would the British Government station guns in St Paul’s Cathedral?

Oles Yanchuk – former mayor of Odessa, now leader of Nazi-battalion “Bratstvo” – said about Odessa: the city will be destroyed (by us): “if they come to Odessa, they will receive it only burned down and destroyed.”

Other buildings used by Ukrainian troops have been a synagogue and the famous Pecherskaya Lavra monastery in Kiev. Украина использует синагогу в качестве пункта сбора оружия и националистов

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NATO/EU CYNICAL SACRIFICE OF UKRAINE, BUCHA, UKRAINE FAKE NEWS, PSYCHOPATHS FILM THEIR WAR CRIMES
 

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U.S. Media Admits It's Running Fraudulent "Narratives"



April 8 2022
The arrogance of those using economic and psychological warfare to destroy the sovereign nation of Russia! NBC admitted to doing it, without apology. And the NY Times admitted Ukrainian forces have engaged in atrocities, without calling for an investigation. The present shambles of a "Rules-Based Order" threatens the lives of billions, if this world order is not taken down. Join the Schiller Institute on April 9 for a dialogue on how to make a rapid transition to a new strategic and economic architecture, which serves the interests of all sovereign nations and peoples, instead of the billionaires and the ruling "elites" they own:

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The World Changed Over the Weekend


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More arms for Ukraine, more sanctions against Russia, more NATO expansion, no peace negotiations -- that is the agenda of the Anglo-American oligarchy, as it moves to make NATO the enforcer of its global dictatorship. But this benefits the few, against the vast majority of the world. The alternative, establishing a new strategic and financial architecture in the interest of sovereign nation states, was presented on April 9, in a powerful online conference of the Schiller Institute. We are recruiting people with the courage to join our movement, to wrest power away from the criminal oligarchs of the City of London and Wall Street. Click here to watch the conference, and join the Schiller Institute: https://schillerinstitute.com/blog/20...


 

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You guys have blundered-this isn't about politics,ideology or even NATO. I did some research and was like OMFG,these guys,the Caucasus people,which incl the Crimeans have never known more than a decade of peace for possibly even a millennium!

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples_of_the_Caucasus

The Caucasus (/ˈkɔːkəsəs/), or Caucasia[3][4] (/kɔːˈkeɪʒə/), is a region between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea; mainly comprising Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, and parts of Southern Russia. The Caucasus Mountains, including the Greater Caucasus range, have historically been considered as a natural barrier between Eastern Europe and Western Asia.[5]
Caucasus - Wikipedia

The Caucasus is also the homeland of the Chosenites now in Palestine screeching how Yahweh gave them and ONLY them the Promised Land for ever and ever,

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Ofc,over centuries the borders varied but that was the basic homeland of the Khazars til Slavic king Sviatoslav revved them out for good for their constant criminality incl extortion,identity theft and other ishyt.

Peering further into history:

The original Caucasus since prehistory has been a zone of mass warfare,genocide and low level insurgency. Looking at the history it seems like a chronicle of slaughter briefly interrupted by occasional peace. Since the early 1800s there've been at least 10 major wars.

The caucasian War (Russian: Кавказская война; Kavkazskaya vojna) of 1817–1864 was an invasion of the Caucasus by the Russian Empire which resulted in Russia's annexation of the areas of the North Caucasus, and the ethnic cleansing of Circassians. It consisted of a series of military actions and atrocities waged by the Empire against the native peoples of the Caucasus including the Chechens, Adyghe, Abkhaz–Abaza, Ubykhs, Kumyks and Dagestanians as Russia sought to expand.[6] Among the Muslims, resistance to the Russians was described as jihad.[7]
Caucasian War - Wikipedia

Fyi,that was a 50 yr campaign!

The Russo-Turkish War of 1877–1878 (Turkish: 93 Harbi, lit. 'War of ’93', named for the year 1293 in the Islamic calendar; Bulgarian: Руско–турска Освободителна война, romanized: Rusko-turska Osvoboditelna vojna, "Russian–Turkish Liberation war"
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was a conflict between the Ottoman Empire and the Eastern Orthodox coalition led by the Russian Empire and composed of Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, and Montenegro.[9] Fought in the Balkans and in the Caucasus, it originated in emerging 19th-century Balkan nationalism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Turkish_War_(1877–1878)

A 100,000 Turks died in this war that gave birth to Bulgaria.

The Russo-Circassian War (1763–1864) involved a series of battles and wars in Circassia, the northwestern part of the Caucasus, during the course of the Russian Empire's conquest of the Caucasus. Those who use the term Russian–Circassian War take its starting date as 1763, when the Russians began establishing forts, including at Mozdok, to be used as springboards for conquest; [6] and only ending approximately 101 years later, with the signing of loyalty oaths by Circassian leaders on 2 June [O.S. 21 May] 1864.
Russo-Circassian War - Wikipedia

This may have been a true genocide. Nearly 4 mn died during the fighting while at least 0.5 mn Caucasians were deported.

The Russo-Persian War of 1826–1828 was the last major military conflict between the Russian Empire and Iran.

After the Treaty of Gulistan that concluded the previous Russo-Persian War in 1813, peace reigned in the Caucasus for thirteen years. However, Fath 'Ali Shah, constantly in need of foreign subsidies, relied on the advice of British agents, who pressed him to reconquer the territories lost to Russia and pledged their support for military action.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Persian_War_(1826–1828)

The first war with the Persians in which Vlad gained Daghestan.

The Russo-Persian War of 1722–1723, known in Russian historiography as the Persian campaign of Peter the Great,[9] was a war between the Russian Empire and Safavid Iran, triggered by the tsar's attempt to expand Russian influence in the Caspian and Caucasus regions and to prevent its rival, the Ottoman Empire, from territorial gains in the region at the expense of declining Safavid Iran
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Persian_War_(1722–1723)

Ofc,during WW1 there was no peace!

The Caucasus campaign comprised armed conflicts between the Russian Empire and the Ottoman Empire, later including Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Mountainous Republic of the Northern Caucasus, the German Empire, the Central Caspian Dictatorship, and the British Empire, as part of the Middle Eastern theatre during World War I. The Caucasus campaign extended from the South Caucasus to the Armenian Highlands region, reaching as far as Trabzon, Bitlis, Mush and Van. The land warfare was accompanied by the Russian navy in the Black Sea Region of the Ottoman Empire.
Caucasus campaign - Wikipedia

After communism collapsed there were the 1st and 2nd Chechen wars which bled into a new conflict in neighbouring Dagestan late 90s. Nagorno-Karabakh involved competing Armenians and Azeri border claims with Shlomo supporting the latter at the same time. By the standards of the Caucasus it was a minor quarrel with only 50,000 killed in the 3 different wars in the early 90s,mid 90s and 2010-16.

The Nagorno-Karabakh conflict is a territorial and ethnic conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan over the disputed region of Nagorno-Karabakh and seven surrounding districts, which are de facto controlled by the self-declared Republic of Artsakh, but are internationally recognized as de jure part of Azerbaijan. The conflict has its origins in the early 20th century. Under the Soviet Union, Joseph Stalin decided to make the Nagorno-Karabakh region an autonomous oblast of Soviet Azerbaijan.[18] The present conflict began in 1988, when the Karabakh Armenians demanded that Karabakh be transferred from Soviet Azerbaijan to Soviet Armenia. The conflict escalated into a full-scale war in the early 1990s.
Nagorno-Karabakh conflict - Wikipedia

Who can forget tiny Georgia provoking the Bear in 2008?

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Look at the map-who does that!?

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At least it gave us one of the earliest memes. Prez Saakashvilli chews tie.

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Its not oil,uranium,gold or even coal! It may be a socio cultural,environmental or maybe even DNA thing-ideally a poster from the region should tell us.
What's happening now is just the latest episode of a long running war lasting over a millennium.
Rmbr, these people aren't Homo sapiens- we don't act this way. They're Caucasoid Neanderthals brimming with aggression for the Other which explains the hostility in these parts.


My info has it the Chosenites having finally accepted their ME location is untenable want to return to their homeland-Zelensky is ofc of the tribe.
Anyway,the history of the place convinces me peace here is out of the ordinary.
 
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15 April 2022
Germany Targeted for Not Capitulating to Anti-Russia Demands. Zelensky’s Refusal to Allow Germany’s President Steinmeier to visit Kiev
By Paul Antonopoulos



Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky’s refusal to allow his German counterpart Frank-Walter Steinmeier to visit Kiev is the first major embarrassment to happen to a Western Head of State since the war in Ukraine began on February 24. The question, however, is what encouraged Zelensky to show such disdain for the Germans? [This decision was most probably taken in Washington, GR Editor]

The German President, who met with his Polish counterpart Andrzej Duda in Warsaw on March 12, planned to travel with him and the leaders of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania the next day in what he described as “a strong message of European solidarity with Ukraine.” His request was denied by Zelensky because of Steinmeier’s previously close ties to Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and his past advocacy for close economic relations between Russia and Germany.

“I was prepared to do this [go to Ukraine], but apparently, and I must take note of this, this was not wanted in Kiev,” Steinmeier told reporters.

Bild quoted an unnamed Ukrainian diplomat as saying:

“We all know of Steinmeier’s close relations with Russia here… He is not welcome in Kiev at the moment. We will see whether that changes.”

Steinmeier is seen as someone who, as Chief of Staff during Gerhard Schröder’s rule and as Foreign Minister under Angela Merkel, forged good relations with Russia and was very energetic in defending the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline project. Before heading to Warsaw though, the German president said that insisting on the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline was his biggest mistake and accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of causing the war.

“I still hoped that Vladimir Putin possessed a remnant of rationality,” Steinmeier told Der Spiegel weekly in an interview. “I did not think that the Russian president would risk his country’s complete political, economic and moral ruin in the pursuit of an imperial delusion.”

However, despite Steinmeier alluding that Russia is engaged in an imperialist war (rather than perhaps an anti-imperialist operation to halt NATO expansionism to its borders), it obviously did not change the Ukrainian view of him.

It is remembered that Steinmeier was previously attacked by Ukrainian Ambassador Andrei Melnik for forming a “web of contacts with Russia for decades. For Steinmeier, the relationship with Russia was and remains something fundamental – even sacred.”

Steinmeier has now experienced what the German media calls an “embarrassment on the open stage” because he is the first Western Head of State that has been told that they are not welcome to Kiev. Cracks in Berlin-Kiev relations is not something new and has been emerging for years, especially because of Merkel’s enthusiasm for the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

However, the loudest criticism is certainly coming from the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany who is constantly in the media to accuse the country of cowardice, especially at the beginning of the war when Germany refrained from sending weapons to Ukraine. Although Berlin has made a major turn and is now sending weapons to Ukraine, further anger is caused by the fact that incumbent Chancellor Olaf Scholz is not bowing to American and Ukrainian pressure to close Russian gas taps altogether.

Russian gas is a matter of existential need for Germany, which due to the consequences of the COVID-19 pandemic and the war in Ukraine, is threatened with achieving a lower than expected GDP. In fact, Germany would experience a devastating recession if it were to turn off the Russian gas taps.

Already due to the war, household products are missing from supermarket shelves and inflation, which particularly scares Germans, is recording the biggest jump in 40 years. If there is a complete shutdown of Russian gas to Germany, where American and Ukrainian media and political pressure is being put on the country to do this, the average German citizen will demand a change of government as inflation will worsen and the economy will sharply decline.

US pressure against Germany is increasing and the Ukrainians now have strong support from much of the West. It was ultimately these conditions that saw Germany decide to supply weapons to Ukraine and impose sanctions against Russia – but that is not enough for Kiev.

In this way, European citizens are also suffering from Kiev’s decision to be uncompromising in their issues with Moscow as they now suffer the economic blowback, something that the US and UK have little concern for. Since leaving the EU, the UK is attempting to revive 19th century imperial ambitions on the European and global political scene with tacit American support.

None-the-less, for Germany in the long term, regardless of the current situation, ties with Russia are important – both in terms of energy and trade. It is recalled that Scholz was entering the election campaign with a so-called new Eastern policy aimed at Russia, and even during his meeting with Putin, he declared that there was no European security without Russia.

Although it appears at the moment that reconciliation between Moscow and Europe is impossible, this is an inevitability, especially as the continent has overcome far worse wars and crises over the centuries. It is another thing how long it will take, and it depends largely on how long this war will last, but Berlin realizes that reconciliation is inevitable, and for this reason it is not willing to bend to every demand made by Kiev and Washington despite a constant campaign to shame Germany.

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