The Russia - Ukraine Conflict

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I don't believe this to be true but I do seriously hope there is a sane middleman somewhere in their chain of command who could refuse to launch nukes if Putin ordered it .

Hopefully even his own soldiers would realize how stupid that would be if the time came

I mean...we've been on borrowed time since these weapons were developed. There's a compelling theory that we don't have contact with alien life because species develop weapons that end their worlds before they develop the technology for long distance space travel. The great filter.

If you want a sense of just how close nuclear war has been, check this out: List of nuclear close calls - Wikipedia.

At the height of the Cuban Missile Crisis, Soviet patrol submarine B-59 almost launched a nuclear-armed torpedo while under harassment by American naval forces. One of several vessels surrounded by American destroyers near Cuba, B-59 dove to avoid detection and was unable to communicate with Moscow for a number of days.[14] USS Beale began dropping practice depth charges to signal B-59 to surface; however the captain of the Soviet submarine and its zampolit took these to be real depth charges.[15] With low batteries affecting the submarine's life support systems and unable to make contact with Moscow, the commander of B-59 feared that war had already begun and ordered the use of a 10-kiloton nuclear torpedo against the American fleet. The zampolit agreed, but the chief of staff of the flotilla (second in command of the flotilla) Vasily Arkhipov refused permission to launch. He convinced the captain to calm down, surface, and make contact with Moscow for new orders.[16][17]
 

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I mean...we've been on borrowed time since these weapons were developed. There's a compelling theory that we don't have contact with alien life because species develop weapons that end their worlds before they develop the technology for long distance space travel. The great filter.

If you want a sense of just how close nuclear war has been, check this out: List of nuclear close calls - Wikipedia.
IM very familiar with that. And that's actually my pick for how humanity will die out.

Eventually something we discover will destroy us. I think it will be nanotech but nukes also could be the one :lupe:

Grey goo scenario is what I've been thinking
 

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Im sick of them.:martin:

Our lack of willingness to do violence, even to those who have wronged us is what got us into this current predicament.

And not one Black Country has developed nukes for self defense. Not a one
 

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So not only do we have the Left and Right begging for escalation on TV.

Using language like “Destroy Russia” “Dismantle Economy” etc.

In the situation that Russia “loses” with mass starvation, joblessness and their state destroyed.


YOU REALLY THINK Vlad & Co will think twice about hitting back with nukes and turn Western Europe Into a waste land?

They’ll bring their western cac brethren down to the Stone Age with them.

The West got more to lose! Whose going to fund the rebuild this time aye? No more empire to plunder from. No more Marshall Plan.


No more backwater China man, Africa moving in ways only Africa can.


There will be no coming back from this, Putin already said it.

NATO got em by the nuts so in their situation if it gets to a Nuclear war it’s a Win Win.
 

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Our lack of willingness to do violence, even to those who have wronged us is what got us into this current predicament.

And not one Black Country has developed nukes for self defense. Not a one
This unfortunately just reminds me of how many Black countries are sitting ducks out here.

There aint a Black country that has a military on the level of a Russia or a Ukraine.
 

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He might have range but not time. You really think they would have enough time for that missile to get close enough to the east coast to do major damage? The US would turn into deion sanders with the quickness and intercept that

No US missile defense system proven capable against 'realistic' ICBM threats: Study - Breaking Defense

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By THERESA HITCHENS on February 22, 2022 at 8:22 AM

WASHINGTON: A new study of US missile defenses has found that — after 70 years and some $350 billion in investment — no “system thus far developed has been shown to be effective against realistic ICBM threats” to the homeland. It’s a conclusion with which the Pentagon’s Missile Defense Agency begs to differ.

The study by the American Physical Society (APS) examined a hypothetical North Korean strike and current missile defense systems, such as ground-based interceptors, as well as more futuristic options in development, like directed energy weapons and space-based interceptors. It found today’s capabilities inadequate and future systems unlikely to do the job of defending the country in the next 15 years at least — even from a small number of North Korean missiles.

“Creating a reliable and effective defense against the threat posed by even the small number of relatively unsophisticated nuclear-armed ICBMs that it considers remains a daunting challenge,” the Feb. 9 APS report, called “Ballistic Missile Defense: Threats and Challenges” finds.

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Are you talking about the fallout from the nuclear missiles or the ability to stop a missile in general?

Of course there's no way to stop the results of a nuclear explosion... but it can be lessened by forcing a detonation further away from the target. Saves people in the target area but fukks everybody else

I'm talking about an attack. You might get lucky and stop 1 missile by detonating another one close to it, but you're not stopping the hundreds that would come were Russia to actually strike. Nuclear war would involve a high volume strike because destruction of the party has to be assured even before the launch. This is so known that it's actually helped avoid disaster:

Several weeks after the downing of Korean Air Lines Flight 007 over Soviet airspace, a satellite early-warning system near Moscow reported the launch of one American Minuteman ICBM. Soon after, it reported that five missiles had been launched. Convinced that a real American offensive would involve many more missiles, Lieutenant Colonel Stanislav Petrov of the Air Defense Forces refused to acknowledge the threat as legitimate and continued to convince his superiors that it was a false alarm until this could be confirmed by ground radar.

Russia would not be concerned with fallout in American cities. These aren't meant to be precision strikes as much as they are to inflict mass casualties. Shooting a missile high into the atmosphere with a steep decline angle also reduces the amount of time that defense systems have to locate the missile, assess its trajectory, and try to shoot it down. Imagine this happening with hundreds of missiles, with many missiles carrying pods that could target New York City, Boston, Philadelphia, etc. out of one missile. There's no stopping that.

And that's before cruise missiles with nuclear weapons. Look how fast this shyt is moving and how close to the ground it is. There's not a way to shoot this out of the sky reliably:

 
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