The Rock-Austin promo from WM 17 is still so good.

[Sghost597]

They could get God himself in the writers room, but as long as Vince is in charge and/or there's zero competition and/or they keep making a profit every year; nothing will ever change.

You could give Vince the best writers in the business. He'll still dictate things, cater to what he likes, and dumb it down to the point where it's generic and watered down. He is what he is. Out of touch and leaning on his pg '95 years booking philosophy, because that is all he ever evolved to and couldn't pull off attracting adult audiences when he doesn't have free reigns to cater to the pay majority (young adults).


The worst part about all if it is that it's not people just being tired of wrestling. We live in a society filled with adults watching cartoons/ playing video game that points directly to... If the product is good. It'll draw viewer no matter what. The product just isn't good.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

This 100%. It's ppvs in general. All the songs are just so soft, safe, and tame, but that seems to have translated to the product as a whole. Even the intro to both shows. It's better than the previous ones, but that's not saying much.









Which themes make you feel like you're about to go into a chaos-filled battle, and which makes you feel like you're about to go meet a co-worker for a Denny's brunch ??

Seriously, Thorn In Your Eye was the fukking PERFECT wrestling song. Every time I heard that shyt I wanted to powerbomb somebody through a table.

 

[Spyro]

This 100%. It's ppvs in general. All the songs are just so soft, safe, and tame, but that seems to have translated to the product as a whole. Even the intro to both shows. It's better than the previous ones, but that's not saying much.









Which themes make you feel like you're about to go into a chaos-filled battle, and which makes you feel like you're about to go meet a co-worker for a Denny's brunch ??

Those first two are so fukking good, those last two are absolutely terrible

This was good too

 

[FunkDoc1112]

WWE has its head so far up its ass that they don't see UFC as competition even though it's been eating away at their young adult male audience for ever a decade. That's the presentation they should be imitating, not trying to be some squeaking clean PR-friendly brand. Wrestling's never going to be respected as a classy organization in the mainstream eye, so they need to focus on the audience most likely to be pulled in.

I will admit that the two intros since the brand split are a step in the right direction though. But holy shyt was Tonight Is The Night awful. Nothing will top that Papa Roach song they used from 07-09 in awfulness though

 

[HipHopStan]

From a match story point of view, it doesn't get much better than X7.

Austin is already insecure from losing the 2 out of 3 falls match to HHH after being up 1 fall to none at the previous month's ppv. That isn't what's supposed to happen. He's supposed to come into WM strong. He also needs validation to himself that he can come back from serious neck surgery and again be top guy. Who's on top at the time? The Rock.

Austin's beat Rock before. However, the loss to HHH from the previous month coupled with a great dueling promo bit a week or two out where Austin states he NEEDS to win the title. Problem for him is, Rock isn't the same Rock from 1999. He's better and his popularity has skyrocketed in his absence. .

Which is why it isn't a surprise that Austin attacks Rock before the bell even rings. Odd behavior for a babyface. He bloodies Rock. Rock gives it all back. Things are evening up in a great brawl. You start to see Austin pulling things out from matches past and such to try to put Rock away. Stunner. Doesn't work. A second stunner, it worked in WMXV. Not this time. Austin tries to finish Rock with his own Rock Bottom. Still not good enough. Austin starts to even go back to old tricks like the Millon Dollar Dream and almost suffers defeat with it just like Survivor Series 96. Austin's facial expressions during this time of trying to finish off Rock are incredible. It's similar to Ultimate Warrior staring at his hands when he couldn't finish off Savage at WM7.

Austin goes to the final plan. Vince McMahon. The man he has hated for years. His greatest nemesis. Vince is the Ace up Austin's sleeve and Austin HAS to use it to put Rock away. Austin doesn't use any wrestling move or finisher to put Rock away. He uses pure barbarism with a chair to do it. Austin pretty much is gone in terms of this as a wrestling match and basically uses an assault with a weapon to get the job done. Even if he has to align himself with Vince to do it, Austin had to win this match or else him coming back would mean nothing. I didn't have as much of an issue with the chair and McMahon interference finish as others did because it fit within the story they were telling very nicely.

That is why it's their best match and it's the climax of the Attitude era for me. The other 2 matches can't even begin to scratch the surface of that kind of storytelling.

 

[Big Meat 5000]

From a match story point of view, it doesn't get much better than X7.

Austin is already insecure from losing the 2 out of 3 falls match to HHH after being up 1 fall to none at the previous month's ppv. That isn't what's supposed to happen. He's supposed to come into WM strong. He also needs validation to himself that he can come back from serious neck surgery and again be top guy. Who's on top at the time? The Rock.

Austin's beat Rock before. However, the loss to HHH from the previous month coupled with a great dueling promo bit a week or two out where Austin states he NEEDS to win the title. Problem for him is, Rock isn't the same Rock from 1999. He's better and his popularity has skyrocketed in his absence. .

Which is why it isn't a surprise that Austin attacks Rock before the bell even rings. Odd behavior for a babyface. He bloodies Rock. Rock gives it all back. Things are evening up in a great brawl. You start to see Austin pulling things out from matches past and such to try to put Rock away. Stunner. Doesn't work. A second stunner, it worked in WMXV. Not this time. Austin tries to finish Rock with his own Rock Bottom. Still not good enough. Austin starts to even go back to old tricks like the Millon Dollar Dream and almost suffers defeat with it just like Survivor Series 96. Austin's facial expressions during this time of trying to finish off Rock are incredible. It's similar to Ultimate Warrior staring at his hands when he couldn't finish off Savage at WM7.

Austin goes to the final plan. Vince McMahon. The man he has hated for years. His greatest nemesis. Vince is the Ace up Austin's sleeve and Austin HAS to use it to put Rock away. Austin doesn't use any wrestling move or finisher to put Rock away. He uses pure barbarism with a chair to do it. Austin pretty much is gone in terms of this as a wrestling match and basically uses an assault with a weapon to get the job done. Even if he has to align himself with Vince to do it, Austin had to win this match or else him coming back would mean nothing. I didn't have as much of an issue with the chair and McMahon interference finish as others did because it fit within the story they were telling very nicely.

That is why it's their best match and it's the climax of the Attitude era for me. The other 2 matches can't even begin to scratch the surface of that kind of storytelling.

amazing.....

 

[Playaz Eyez]

From a match story point of view, it doesn't get much better than X7.

Austin is already insecure from losing the 2 out of 3 falls match to HHH after being up 1 fall to none at the previous month's ppv. That isn't what's supposed to happen. He's supposed to come into WM strong. He also needs validation to himself that he can come back from serious neck surgery and again be top guy. Who's on top at the time? The Rock.

Austin's beat Rock before. However, the loss to HHH from the previous month coupled with a great dueling promo bit a week or two out where Austin states he NEEDS to win the title. Problem for him is, Rock isn't the same Rock from 1999. He's better and his popularity has skyrocketed in his absence. .

Which is why it isn't a surprise that Austin attacks Rock before the bell even rings. Odd behavior for a babyface. He bloodies Rock. Rock gives it all back. Things are evening up in a great brawl. You start to see Austin pulling things out from matches past and such to try to put Rock away. Stunner. Doesn't work. A second stunner, it worked in WMXV. Not this time. Austin tries to finish Rock with his own Rock Bottom. Still not good enough. Austin starts to even go back to old tricks like the Millon Dollar Dream and almost suffers defeat with it just like Survivor Series 96. Austin's facial expressions during this time of trying to finish off Rock are incredible. It's similar to Ultimate Warrior staring at his hands when he couldn't finish off Savage at WM7.

Austin goes to the final plan. Vince McMahon. The man he has hated for years. His greatest nemesis. Vince is the Ace up Austin's sleeve and Austin HAS to use it to put Rock away. Austin doesn't use any wrestling move or finisher to put Rock away. He uses pure barbarism with a chair to do it. Austin pretty much is gone in terms of this as a wrestling match and basically uses an assault with a weapon to get the job done. Even if he has to align himself with Vince to do it, Austin had to win this match or else him coming back would mean nothing. I didn't have as much of an issue with the chair and McMahon interference finish as others did because it fit within the story they were telling very nicely.

That is why it's their best match and it's the climax of the Attitude era for me. The other 2 matches can't even begin to scratch the surface of that kind of storytelling.

Couldn't agree more with this. Even though a heel turn in Texas was a terrible idea and was a factor directly leading to people turning away, there was nothing more that could be done with Austin's character. Austin beating the Rock while not turning would have been just that and nothing more. You perfectly described it.

 

[Rhyme n Tekniq]

What happened during this angle is what made it so much better when The Rock in his Hollywood heel persona was also insecure in the fact that he never beat Austin at WM and was essentially the roles reversed. Perfect storytelling with their feud their whole career.


WWE doesnt have the discipline nor edge to duplicate feuds of this magnitude again..at least not in its current state.

shyt was so organic

 

[Rell84shots]

This 100%. It's ppvs in general. All the songs are just so soft, safe, and tame, but that seems to have translated to the product as a whole. Even the intro to both shows. It's better than the previous ones, but that's not saying much.









Which themes make you feel like you're about to go into a chaos-filled battle, and which makes you feel like you're about to go meet a co-worker for a Denny's brunch ??

How you gonna forget one of the GOAT themes?

 

[Playaz Eyez]

How you gonna forget one of the GOAT themes?

This 1 was nice too Smackdown HCTP

 

[The Prince of All Saiyans]

YO BIG UP BIG UP TO MY BOYS LIMP BIZKIT

gets me everytime

Ross:

 

[Milk N Cookies]

Great match too.

WWE has made some amazing video packages throughout the years, and this might be their best.

Set the stage perfectly: Two of the most popular entertainers in America at the time; Austin rose to the top and became "The Man", but in his absence The Rock had come dangerously close to taking his spot, and with a new wife and father time working against him, something had to give.

"I need this Rock ... I need this more than you could ever imagine"

Great promo, great match, great event: great times. I think my interest and fandom peaked that night, I really do. Nothing has been as good for me since.

Got me ready to watch the match like it's really about to come on.

 

[Busby]

From a match story point of view, it doesn't get much better than X7.

Austin is already insecure from losing the 2 out of 3 falls match to HHH after being up 1 fall to none at the previous month's ppv. That isn't what's supposed to happen. He's supposed to come into WM strong. He also needs validation to himself that he can come back from serious neck surgery and again be top guy. Who's on top at the time? The Rock.

Austin's beat Rock before. However, the loss to HHH from the previous month coupled with a great dueling promo bit a week or two out where Austin states he NEEDS to win the title. Problem for him is, Rock isn't the same Rock from 1999. He's better and his popularity has skyrocketed in his absence. .

Which is why it isn't a surprise that Austin attacks Rock before the bell even rings. Odd behavior for a babyface. He bloodies Rock. Rock gives it all back. Things are evening up in a great brawl. You start to see Austin pulling things out from matches past and such to try to put Rock away. Stunner. Doesn't work. A second stunner, it worked in WMXV. Not this time. Austin tries to finish Rock with his own Rock Bottom. Still not good enough. Austin starts to even go back to old tricks like the Millon Dollar Dream and almost suffers defeat with it just like Survivor Series 96. Austin's facial expressions during this time of trying to finish off Rock are incredible. It's similar to Ultimate Warrior staring at his hands when he couldn't finish off Savage at WM7.

Austin goes to the final plan. Vince McMahon. The man he has hated for years. His greatest nemesis. Vince is the Ace up Austin's sleeve and Austin HAS to use it to put Rock away. Austin doesn't use any wrestling move or finisher to put Rock away. He uses pure barbarism with a chair to do it. Austin pretty much is gone in terms of this as a wrestling match and basically uses an assault with a weapon to get the job done. Even if he has to align himself with Vince to do it, Austin had to win this match or else him coming back would mean nothing. I didn't have as much of an issue with the chair and McMahon interference finish as others did because it fit within the story they were telling very nicely.

That is why it's their best match and it's the climax of the Attitude era for me. The other 2 matches can't even begin to scratch the surface of that kind of storytelling.

It was the death of the attitude era and the birth of Ruthless Aggression

 

[Rayzah]

That was the peak of professional wrestling. The decline started the second Austin pinned Rock.

I was legit when he won, I was like why cant the rock ever get a win? Thats how good it was cause it was such a surprise for rock to lose at that point in their career. But in hindsight it was a great match from an entertainment standpoint..

Thats what I dont like about the current audience, that was clearly a 5-6 star match. But todays audience only respects matches with fancy moves and amazing athleticism. If the match didnt go 30 minutes, today's audience doesn't give it its props it deserves.. The majority of that match was punching and kicks and spammed finishers. Im not saying it was the same level but Brock and cena and brock and goldberg at mania was an example of a great big man match that was in the same category as this match but all i see online is shade because they dont like part timers

 

[R=G]

I was legit when he won, I was like why cant the rock ever get a win? Thats how good it was cause it was such a surprise for rock to lose at that point in their career. But in hindsight it was a great match from an entertainment standpoint..

Thats what I dont like about the current audience, that was clearly a 5-6 star match. But todays audience only respects matches with fancy moves and amazing athleticism. If the match didnt go 30 minutes, today's audience doesn't give it its props it deserves.. The majority of that match was punching and kicks and spammed finishers. Im not saying it was the same level but Brock and cena and brock and goldberg at mania was an example of a great big man match that was in the same category as this match but all i see online is shade because they dont like part timers

Rock vs Austin is the greatest WM main event match ever. Over everything. They tried to poll Punk/Taker against Rock/Austin shortly after WM 29..fans booed out the Taker/Punk shyt quick