The Return of the Gods (modern paganism and ba'al worship)

[Chez Lopez]

Which is exactly why no one should be referring to the Creator as "god" which really means fortune (gad: same pronunciation)...



The NT is whats fukkin up peoples mindstate. In the OT its about God and God alone. No partners. No equals. No mediators. When did David pray in the name of some mediator? Moses? Abraham? Noah? That all changes when the NT comes around. Suddenly theres this "messiah" who is given god like properties who is now here to die for our or save/absolve us from our sins..... And now, unlike our ancestors, we have to make our prayers, thru him?


I aint buying that anymore. And when you combine that with dum diversas, then you clearly see whats going on. This was a ploy to get at Israel and their land. It was written to get them to disobey to which would make them easier to over take...

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Judith (KJ1611) 5
20 Sir, if these people (Israel) are now sinning against their god, even unknowingly, and if we can be sure that they are guilty of some offense, we can successfully attack them. 21 But if they have not disobeyed the law of their god, then you should leave them alone, or he will defend them, and we will be disgraced before the whole world.

Once you start introducing some other entity into your relationship with the Creator, then you're disobeying the law. When you're disobeying the law, the other nations are allowed/able to take advantage of you.

There are alot of issues with the NT but it is because the understanding is not there from the original hebrew. However the Messiah is mentioned, by name, in the OT

 

[Everythingg]

What you mean questionable? The scriptures said David was a king of Israel. There isnt any verse saying he was a priest. Also you are right. My bad.. hebrews is in the NT

2nd Kings 21:10 explains The Most High speaks through prophets. He doesnt pop out the sky and speak to you. Hes the head hauncho that has workers speaking for him. He is in his heavenly realm and not on earth speaking to flesh amd blood.


No it doesnt. It says The Lord spoke to David’s Lord. I already proved it wasnt David cuz verse 5-6 said he is from the order of Melchzedek who had no beginning or ending. David cant be the one sitting on the right hand of the creator. That spot is reserved for his only begotton son. Im done with you. Step your scripture game up and repent for not believing in Christ. They had Jews who didnt believe when Christ walked the earth so this doctorine is nothing new. We’ll see in the end who is right and who is wrong. My work is done.

nikka said "my work is done" like you dropped some knowledge

 

[Everythingg]

Yes.

Gen 48:14-16

14 And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim's head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh's head, guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn.

15 And he blessed Joseph, and said, Elohim, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the Elohim which fed me all my life long unto this day,

16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.

I dont see how this answers what I asked. Here he is acknowledging the angel that the Creator sent not praying to the Creator THRU the angel. And even if that was what is happening, you can only point out a verse here or there while in the NT it is stated plainly....

There are alot of issues with the NT but it is because the understanding is not there from the original hebrew. However the Messiah is mentioned, by name, in the OT

Its not stated plainly thats for sure...

 

[Orange cream shake]

Nice. One of my friends is hard body into studying he don't smoke anymore, follow biblical dietary customs and laws, obeys the sabbath the whole 9. It's actually a camp that use to teach out near my area and they would break bread whenever they saw me.

Is His sabbath from sun down Friday to sun down Saturday ?

 

[ba'al]

Is His sabbath from sun down Friday to sun down Saturday ?

Yes. Sunset to sunset

 

[Chez Lopez]

I dont see how this answers what I asked. Here he is acknowledging the angel that the Creator sent not praying to the Creator THRU the angel. And even if that was what is happening, you can only point out a verse here or there while in the NT it is stated plainly....



Its not stated plainly thats for sure...

The Messiah is a mystery in the OT, the reality is there though. In the Genesis verse Israel states to his son and grandsons that his fathers were redeemed by an Angel, and he calls that Angel an Elohim. The word Angel in hebrew actually means messenger, as you know, so what entity is both Elohim and Elohim's messenger? What Angel redeems from evil? This is the mystery. Messiah is everywhere in the OT, but the hebrew understanding must be known to see Him. There are stumbling blocks, that Yah put there for this very reason. It is amazing.

 

[Everythingg]

The Messiah is a mystery in the OT, the reality is there though. In the Genesis verse Israel states to his son and grandsons that his fathers were redeemed by an Angel, and he calls that Angel an Elohim. The word Angel in hebrew actually means messenger, as you know, so what entity is both Elohim and Elohim's messenger? What Angel redeems from evil? This is the mystery. Messiah is everywhere in the OT, but the hebrew understanding must be known to see Him. There are stumbling blocks, that Yah put there for this very reason. It is amazing.

I asked for something simple I think and that is can we show Abraham worshiping your father/son entity? The answer is no we cant. He's the patriarch of the faith and we cant show him knowing anything called a "Jesus" or (insert Hebrewnized name) yet we think that God would expect us to accept an entity that Abraham didnt know? When a curse was that his descendants would worship gods their ancestors never knew?

The truth of the matter is "Jesus" is a colonialist tool used to get Israelites to disobey their laws and commandments. It went from the Most High to when colonialists came, the Most High AND a son. You wont get this till you separate the NT from the OT instead of considering them as 1 because King James or whoever put them together...

 

[EndGame]

There was an Israelite kingdom. Its just not where THEY say it is/was...

Where is the correct location?

 

[Everythingg]

Where is the correct location?

Before taking his voyage, Christopher Colombus said he was on a conquest to reconquer Jerusalem. Look where he ended up, ignore the false narrative of it being an "accident" and in a roundabout way, thats your answer....

 

[Apollo Creed]

Before taking his voyage, Christopher Colombus said he was on a conquest to reconquer Jerusalem. Look where he ended up, ignore the false narrative of it being an "accident" and in a roundabout way, thats your answer....

 

[Everythingg]

Ecclesiastes 7
When a fool laughs, it is like thorns crackling in a fire. It doesn't mean a thing

Proverbs 29
If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet.

 

[ba'al]

You calling the Americas Jerusalem? I know Mormonism get into that as well as calling the native Americans Israelites but I thought Colombus lied to the church just to fund his exploration and he said that they would take Jeresulam from Muslims not Indians.

Before taking his voyage, Christopher Colombus said he was on a conquest to reconquer Jerusalem. Look where he ended up, ignore the false narrative of it being an "accident" and in a roundabout way, thats your answer....

 

[Everythingg]

You calling the Americas Jerusalem?

Columbus believed that Jerusalem was somewhere over here in the Americas.

I know Mormonism get into that as well as calling the native Americans Israelites but I thought Colombus lied to the church just to fund his exploration and he said that they would take Jeresulam from Muslims not Indians.

Yes the Mormons were telling the truth (mixed in with lies) when they said that. Its also why in Utah, the land is named after biblical cities that fit the burial place of Moses.

And if I remember correctly, the term used was "saracen" which later, not originally, became used for Muslims. I havent read anything about Columbus lying or that it was an actual "accident" that he arrived at the place he did.

 

[ba'al]

Columbus believed that Jerusalem was somewhere over here in the Americas.

So don't Israelites believe America is set up to be destroyed?

I'm confused but you're a Tanach only isrealite so it might be a totality different doctrine than what the messianic one west groups teach.

Yes the Mormons were telling the truth (mixed in with lies) when they said that. Its also why in Utah, the land is named after biblical cities that fit the burial place of Moses.

And if I remember correctly, the term used was "saracen" which later, not originally, became used for Muslims. I havent read anything about Columbus lying or that it was an actual "accident" that he arrived at the place he did.

A lot of isrealites get off into Mormon doctrine. But yo dude go into your doctrine some more I want to hear more about it. You heard about los lunas decalogue stone what do you think of them. Are the Olmecs Israelites or Hamites? And where was Canaan? As well as you heard alledgly about the Egyptian hieroglyphs found here in the americas how would that fit into your doctrine. Heard it was false but the question remains regardless.

 

[Everythingg]

So don't Israelites believe America is set up to be destroyed?

I'm confused but you're a Tanach only isrealite so it might be a totality different doctrine than what the messianic one west groups teach.

Alot of these "Hebrew Israelite" camps are filled with agents or brehs that havent advanced yet in understanding. The bible says that the oppressors of the Israelites will be destroyed and face the same curses the Israelites faced. It doesnt say anything about the land as a whole...

A lot of isrealites get off into Mormon doctrine. But yo dude go into your doctrine some more I want to hear more about it. You heard about los lunas decalogue stone what do you think of them.

I think they as well as the Newark stones are proof of Israelite presence here in America. Some say they are fake some say they are real, so I can only go off my opinion based on the available information. Columbus coming to America after he said/wrote he wanted to reconquer Jerusalem, is part of why I believe them to be real...

Are the Olmecs Israelites or Hamites? And where was Canaan?

I couldnt tell you who the Olmecs were. I assume Canaan could be anywhere from Utah to Peru but I dont know specifically where it would be...

..As well as you heard alledgly about the Egyptian hieroglyphs found here in the americas how would that fit into your doctrine. Heard it was false but the question remains regardless.

I havent looked real deep into that, but yes I do remember reading/seeing something about Egyptian cities/artificats being found in the grand canyon.. Then there are names of cities (Memphis for example) and pyramids being built in the area to consider as well. If Israelites were in America then I'd assume Egyptians were as well, but I'd have to do a little more digging on the subject so I could provide the things that led me to this belief...