Everythingg
King-Over-Kingz
No. Genesis 18:3 says nothing about a "christ" appearing to Abraham. Cant you just admit that your understanding of "Christ" comes from the "New" testament and not the "old"?
The Return of the Gods (modern paganism and ba'al worship)
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No. Genesis 18:3 says nothing about a "christ" appearing to Abraham. Cant you just admit that your understanding of "Christ" comes from the "New" testament and not the "old"?
ReturnOfJudah
Veteran
I see why you are unable to comprehend. You dont believe in the NT. Gotcha. I want to see you tap dance around Psalms 110:1. David said The Lord said until my Lord sit at my right hand. Straight out the OT. So who are the 2 Lords? And who is the Lord thats sitting on the right hand of the father in heaven?
Everythingg
King-Over-Kingz
Yes. The NT takes many precepts from the OT and applies them to their god "Jesus". Or "Yeshua/Yehoshua/Yahwashi" or whatever variation you use. Another example of them doing this is Isaiah 7:14....
Fact of the matter is the OT was about worshiping God who had no equals/partners/mediators. Then comes the NT which introduces a new partner/mediator in "Jesus".
ReturnOfJudah
Veteran
Why did David call Jesus his Lord in the OT? Psalms is in the OT. Who are the 2 Lords thats having a conversation in the OT Psalms? And yes I know Christ is not equal to The Most High.
know the order.
“The Lord said to my Lord”
Who is The Lord?
Who is my Lord?
Are you saying GOD is a skitsofrantic? Its 2 people talking and one has power over the other. One is saying sit at my right hand
Everythingg
King-Over-Kingz
Had to fix that for you. Yes I dont believe because I dont believe (anymore) in the NT. It makes absolutely no sense when reading the OT.
Lord is a title not a name...
Everythingg
King-Over-Kingz
A servant of David wrote Psalm 110. God said to (the servant's) lord (David) those things. Theres nothing about "heaven" in that verse...
ReturnOfJudah
Veteran
Verse 4 in the same chapter further proves its Christ says Says The Lord that the Most High is talking to
Psalms 110:4 4 says Thou are a priest forever after the order of Melchezedek
Hebrews Chapter 7 1-3 (Old Testament)
1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
King David has a earthly mother & father. King David was not in the beginning of time and ghe End of Time. King David is not the Son of God and King Davis was not a priest, he was a king.
Christ is the alpha and Omega (Revelation 22:13-16). Christ is the ONLY begotten of the The Most (John 3:16)
You are getting chopped up in 40 different slices. Nowhere in Psalms does it said David’s servant witnessed David talking to The Most High. You jumped out a window with that one.
Everythingg
King-Over-Kingz
That doesnt prove a thing..
Your god isnt mentioned by name till the NT. His purpose isnt mentioned clearly till the NT. You can see why I, who believes what God says first (i.e. the parts that say "thus says the Lord"), would have a problem with that right? Why wouldnt God tell Moses His plan but leave it up to anonymous writers of the gospels?
Umm... No. Hebrews is in the NT. Thus making what it says in regards to the OT, irrelevant..
Besides the part about David not being a priest (thats questionable) and not being son to the Most High, this is correct.
How come God didnt plainly state He had a son for you to worship or worship Him thru in the OT? Did He forget?
Nor does the psalm say anyone witnessed anything. It says God said something to David which is no different than you telling me that your false prophet Paul said something to you to which I then turn around and tell someone else that Paul said something to you. It doesnt mean I witnessed the original event...
Everythingg
King-Over-Kingz
@ReturnOfJudah
Dum Diversas 1452:
We grant you [Kings of Spain and Portugal] by these present documents, with our Apostolic Authority, full and free permission to invade, search out, capture, and subjugate the Saracens and pagans and any other unbelievers and enemies of Christ wherever they may be, as well as their kingdoms, duchies, counties, principalities, and other property [...] and to reduce their persons into perpetual servitude
With your god, Christ, came war/murder, slavery, thievery and colonialism. Yet you still bow down to him anyways
Dum Diversas 1452:
We grant you [Kings of Spain and Portugal] by these present documents, with our Apostolic Authority, full and free permission to invade, search out, capture, and subjugate the Saracens and pagans and any other unbelievers and enemies of Christ wherever they may be, as well as their kingdoms, duchies, counties, principalities, and other property [...] and to reduce their persons into perpetual servitude
With your god, Christ, came war/murder, slavery, thievery and colonialism. Yet you still bow down to him anyways
Everythingg
King-Over-Kingz
There was an Israelite kingdom. Its just not where THEY say it is/was...
Bobby Lashleys eyebrows
Superstar
And then the wypipo came in and started correcting it and enslaving us according to European scholars.
ReturnOfJudah
Veteran
The US has in their pledge of Alligence one “Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." We know damn well this country doesnt want liberty and justice for all. And the rulers of this world aint down with God. Anybody non Israelite can write some shyt on a paper like the Dum Diversas, US constitution, pledge of Alligence, money (In GOD we trust) but that dont mean The Most High or Christ is down with them. Spainish CACs and Portuagal CACs are pagans and unbelievers. They didnt keep God’s laws. So how can one pagan call God’s children unbelievers? You let that piece of paper fukk up your mental state when it had nothing to do with The Most High or Christ. The Cathlolic church is a perfect example. Their mouths say they are doing God’s work, but they are a breeding ground for pedophilia@ReturnOfJudah
Dum Diversas 1452:
We grant you [Kings of Spain and Portugal] by these present documents, with our Apostolic Authority, full and free permission to invade, search out, capture, and subjugate the Saracens and pagans and any other unbelievers and enemies of Christ wherever they may be, as well as their kingdoms, duchies, counties, principalities, and other property [...] and to reduce their persons into perpetual servitude
With your god, Christ, came war/murder, slavery, thievery and colonialism. Yet you still bow down to him anyways
ReturnOfJudah
Veteran
That doesnt prove a thing..
Your god isnt mentioned by name till the NT.
[/QUOTE]Umm... No. Hebrews is in the NT. Thus making what it says in regards to the OT, irrelevant..
Besides the part about David not being a priest (thats questionable) and not being son to the Most High, this is correct.[/QUOTE]
What you mean questionable? The scriptures said David was a king of Israel. There isnt any verse saying he was a priest. Also you are right. My bad.. hebrews is in the NT
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How come God didnt plainly state He had a son for you to worship or worship Him thru in the OT? Did He forget?[/QUOTE]
2nd Kings 21:10 explains The Most High speaks through prophets. He doesnt pop out the sky and speak to you. Hes the head hauncho that has workers speaking for him. He is in his heavenly realm and not on earth speaking to flesh amd blood.
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Nor does the psalm say anyone witnessed anything. It says God said something to David which is no different than you telling me that your false prophet Paul said something to you to which I then turn around and tell someone else that Paul said something to you. It doesnt mean I witnessed the original event...[/QUOTE]
No it doesnt. It says The Lord spoke to David’s Lord. I already proved it wasnt David cuz verse 5-6 said he is from the order of Melchzedek who had no beginning or ending. David cant be the one sitting on the right hand of the creator. That spot is reserved for his only begotton son. Im done with you. Step your scripture game up and repent for not believing in Christ. They had Jews who didnt believe when Christ walked the earth so this doctorine is nothing new. We’ll see in the end who is right and who is wrong. My work is done.
Everythingg
King-Over-Kingz
Which is exactly why no one should be referring to the Creator as "god" which really means fortune (gad: same pronunciation)...
The NT is whats fukkin up peoples mindstate. In the OT its about God and God alone. No partners. No equals. No mediators. When did David pray in the name of some mediator? Moses? Abraham? Noah? That all changes when the NT comes around. Suddenly theres this "messiah" who is given god like properties who is now here to die for our or save/absolve us from our sins..... And now, unlike our ancestors, we have to make our prayers, thru him?
I aint buying that anymore. And when you combine that with dum diversas, then you clearly see whats going on. This was a ploy to get at Israel and their land. It was written to get them to disobey to which would make them easier to over take...
Judith (KJ1611) 5
20 Sir, if these people (Israel) are now sinning against their god, even unknowingly, and if we can be sure that they are guilty of some offense, we can successfully attack them. 21 But if they have not disobeyed the law of their god, then you should leave them alone, or he will defend them, and we will be disgraced before the whole world.
20 Sir, if these people (Israel) are now sinning against their god, even unknowingly, and if we can be sure that they are guilty of some offense, we can successfully attack them. 21 But if they have not disobeyed the law of their god, then you should leave them alone, or he will defend them, and we will be disgraced before the whole world.
Once you start introducing some other entity into your relationship with the Creator, then you're disobeying the law. When you're disobeying the law, the other nations are allowed/able to take advantage of you.
Chez Lopez
Neo-Abolitionist
Yes.
Gen 48:14-16
14 And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim's head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh's head, guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn.
15 And he blessed Joseph, and said, Elohim, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the Elohim which fed me all my life long unto this day,
16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.