The Republican National Convention Thread

[filial_piety]

Barnone

Yes, it's a uniquely underwhelming experience when compared to working with national budgets. It's not useless, though, I'll give you that.

"uniquely underwhelming"

Is this a desperate attempt to minimize Romney's political qualifications with those that Obama clearly not align himself with? Governors are the highest elected legislators in the state, they balance budgets, pass state laws, and do essentially similar work to what a President does. Obama was a Senator for 2 years. The favor here clearly goes to Romney

How is this a qualification? All it means is that he was moderate enough to win an election there and govern there.

No, what it means is that he's politically savvy and bipartisan enough to work with two (or more) parties. Obama's "On the Job Training" has demonstrated otherwise.

Yes, because a JD in a JD/MBA is solely business-oriented degree- it's not like you're learning criminal or human rights law or something substantially different. In other words, a JD/MBA program is purely a business-oriented program

False, unless you have access to his transcripts you have absolutely NO idea what his JD classes were in. JD/MBA programs are autonomous from one another. You have to apply to them SEPARATELY and complete them SEPERATELY. Normally, they shave off a year of one of the programs if a few classes can be cross registered. However when you register and attend law classes, you are doing it with fellow JD candidates and vice versa with an MBA program. So in an effort to correct you, Romney is "purely" coporate as much as he is legally qualified.

Obama, on the other hand, has a JD that is not purely business-oriented, aside from actual experience as a Civil Rights attorney and academic who taught numerous kinds of law at a top 3 law school

The first bolded is false for reasons that I have already explained above...

He taught law as a lecturer (not to be confused with a tenured professor)...but he hasn't signed any bills prior to his Presidency...but continue...

not to mention law review editor. In addition, Mitt's undergrad degree is in English. Obama's was in Political Science with a concentration in international relations.

A Political Science Undergrad degree with a focus on International Relations does not make him a "political scientist" or an "international relations" expert. Any employer (regardless of where you came from) would laugh you out of the building if you suggested otherwise. By comaprison to Romney was an Enlgish major--it's not combinitoric mathematics, I'll give you that. But overall, at the ungraduate academic level (if that means anything, even in the slightest sense), that victory goes to Obama.

I also noticed that you conveinetly left out Obama's lack of corporate experience, in comparison to Romney's, which is clearly a loss on Obama's part. Obama was a Civil Rights attorney (although I'm aware of this, I'm not exactly sure how long he was actually there nor am I aware of what cases he actually worked on) but it is notable work nonetheless in terms of social justice issues.

Overall, between the two, I'd say Romney's work experience at Bain and Boston Consulting Group carries more weight in consulting and stabilizing multi billion dollar industries as opposed to someone who fights local legal battles to have a slide put in the public park.

And fall back with the Jay-Z comment. There's no need to resort to cheap racial remarks.

lol@ "fall back"...what "racial remarks?" He likes Jay Z, and has him on his Ipod. If you don't like the hip hop references, don't use them. I keep hearing this Obama has "swag" and all types of "fall back comments" and then when I relate hip hop figures with your hip hop language, it gets labled as "racist"

When did I say that spending more time governing automatically equates with qualification? I just said that Obama has spent the same amount of time governing as Romney has, just at the national level, which counts for more

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You didn't have to, I drew the parallel for you. According to your argument, his "on the job experience" (good or bad) makes him "qualified."

If "more qualified" equals "better", then I simply drew the connection that by that logic George Bush who has 8 years of "on the job experience" (good or bad) was also technically "more qualified" and was "better" at his job than Obama was simply because he spent more time there.

Essentially, this is why I suggested comparing Obama's 2 years of experience as a Senator with Romney's 4 as Governor. They're the same species but a different animal.

 

[Broke Wave]

How stupid is it that people are comparing Romney's 4 years in public service as a Governor to Obama's term as a president, then saying he is more qualified than Obama based on this alone

Whoever has the relevant experience is more qualified, this is not a partisan issue. George Bush was more qualified than Kerry to be president but Kerry would have been a better president in my opinion, qualification doesn't equal positive results, even though Obama is clearly more qualified under this metric.

As for his corporate experience, Mitt made profit for his wealthy clients by shutting down factories through leveraged buyouts, how that translates into good public policy is beyond me.

 

[No1]

Thereheis, you really don't know shyt about JD/MBA programs do you?

Here's Harvard's

"Students in the program complete the joint degree in four academic years. In the first two years of the program, students are required to enroll for one full year of study at the Law School and for one full year of study at the Business School; either can come first. In the third and fourth years of the program, students are enrolled in, and take courses at, both schools. Both schools have upper level requirements that are described in more detail below"

Yet, they need to fulfill the requirements for both schools to graduate. Therefore, over the span of those last two years, you would be taking a lot of business courses, whereas someone who is just getting a JD would not have to. Further, a lot of the classes would count towards both so individuals take advantage of that. Anyone who thinks that someone in a JD/MBA program isn't taking largely business and corporate-oriented classes needs to read up.

But what do I know, my roommate is only a JD/MBA at a top 6 law program

 

[filial_piety]

How are you correcting something I never said. I'm trying to understand where I said they both didn't go to Harvard. I was laughing at your ridiculous logic that a JD/MBA automatically makes someone more intelligent than someone with just a JD or somehow more qualified. Do you even know how a JD MBA program is structured?

You take the core law school classes and then the rest of your courses are focused towards the business side of the law and b-school courses. It is very likely that Obama had a more interdisciplinary education while Romney essentially majored in law school.

This isn't a JD/MPP with the Kennedy School or something. I'm waiting for you to correct me though and tell me more about New England where I grew up. Go ahead.

But you want to tell me you'd rather have a Richmond Law JD/MBA than a Columbia Law degree?

So what was the point of this again?



Everything you said above is pattently FALSE. JD/MBA programs are SEPARATE. You apply to them SEPERATELY and get admitted to them SEPARATELY.

If youre in a JD/MBA program you take JD classes from the same courses as the single degree JD students. If youre in the JD/MBA program you take MBA program classes with other single degree MBA students Pay attention and read up on it.

All you're doing is predicting what YOU think they may have taken as academic courses which you clearly have no evidence of. Heck you don't even realize that the two programs are completely seperate.

 

[The Real]

Everything you said above is pattently FALSE. JD/MBA programs are SEPARATE. You apply to them SEPERATELY and get admitted to them SEPARATELY.

This is actually false itself. JD/MBA programs are dual-degree programs. That means they aren't separate, though you can obviously pursue either a JD or an MBA individually if you want. A JD/MBA program is its own entity, though. It combines elements of both into a single program that is shorter than doing each one separately. You can apply to the dual-degree program with one application in every case I have encountered.

 

[filial_piety]

Thereheis, you really don't know shyt about JD/MBA programs do you?

Here's Harvard's

"Students in the program complete the joint degree in four academic years. In the first two years of the program, students are required to enroll for one full year of study at the Law School and for one full year of study at the Business School; either can come first. In the third and fourth years of the program, students are enrolled in, and take courses at, both schools. Both schools have upper level requirements that are described in more detail below"

Yet, they need to fulfill the requirements for both schools to graduate. Therefore, over the span of those last two years, you would be taking a lot of business courses, whereas someone who is just getting a JD would not have to. Further, a lot of the classes would count towards both so individuals take advantage of that. Anyone who thinks that someone in a JD/MBA program isn't taking largely business and corporate-oriented classes needs to read up.

But what do I know, my roommate is only a JD/MBA at a top 6 law program

LOL this is an extremely weak argument. Like I said before you have to meet the requirements for both and apply to them seperately, The advantage comes when a few courses cross register. The point is, he is taking BOTH JD classes and MBA classes.

Aside from that I'm still trying to figure out where Richmond Law MBA/JD and Columbia Law come into the picture

 

[No1]

So what was the point of this again?



Everything you said above is pattently FALSE. JD/MBA programs are SEPARATE. You apply to them SEPERATELY and get admitted to them SEPARATELY.

If youre in a JD/MBA program you take JD classes from the same courses as the single degree JD students. If youre in the JD/MBA program you take MBA program classes with other single degree MBA students Pay attention and read up on it.

All you're doing is predicting what YOU think they may have taken as academic courses which you clearly have no evidence of. Heck you don't even realize that the two programs are completely seperate.

Are you this foolish? The Columbia/Richmond thing was a simple point. Try to follow along. You kept harping on JD/MBA and I was obviously just using an extreme example to show you that having one does not equate to being smarter or more well-rounded than someone with just a JD. It was just another example in my line of refuting your asertions. I also wasn't even clear that you knew what degree Romney had.

But besides that, you obviously don't know anything about these programs. You have to be accepted into both schools individually and you list on your applications that you're considering a dual degree. When you get into both you let both schools know and that initiates the process. But it's a program designed to to allow you to get your degrees in 4 years as opposed to 5 and nowadays some schools allow you to do it in 3.

The only things separate are the two degrees you get and the application. There are special program coordinators just for JD/MBA and they are able to waive certain requirements of the respective programs, etc. They are very much integrated. You're clueless. No wonder you endorse Romney.

 

[filial_piety]

This is actually false itself. JD/MBA programs are dual-degree programs. That means they aren't separate, though you can obviously pursue either a JD or an MBA individually if you want. A JD/MBA program is its own entity, though. It combines elements of both into a single program that is shorter than doing each one separately. You can apply to the dual-degree program with one application in every case I have encountered.

Straight from Harvard and every other school I have encountered with such a program...

Admissions
Prospective students must apply to and be separately admitted to both the Law School and the Business School, each of which will independently review and admit applicants. Questions relating to the admissions process at each school should be addressed directly to the individual admissions offices:

Harvard Law School Admissions
Harvard Business School Admissions & Financial Aid

Prospective JD/MBA students may apply to both schools concurrently or they may apply during the first year of study at either the Law School or the Business School. Students interested in applying to either school for matriculation in September should note the Law School deadline is early February while the Business School has a rolling admission process with three rounds of applications and three deadlines in early October, early January and early March. All Law School applicants are required to submit an LSAT score, in accordance with application guidelines. All Business School applicants are required to submit a GMAT or a GRE score

more...

Course and Credit Requirements
First-Year Program
Law School

The first year at the Law School consists of (1) Civil Procedure, Contracts, Criminal Law, a 1L International/Comparative Law course, Legislation and Regulation, Problem Solving Workshop, Property, and Torts; (2) First-year Legal Research and Writing; and (3) a spring upper-level elective at HLS of a minimum of 2 classroom credits and a maximum of 4 classroom credits.

Business School

The first year at the Business School consists of the Required Curriculum with the year divided into two terms: Term 1 courses: Finance 1, Financial Reporting and Control, Leadership and Organizational Behavior, Marketing, and Technology and Operations Management. Term 2 courses: Business, Government and International Economy, Strategy, The Entrepreneurial Manager, Negotiation, Finance II, and Leadership and Corporate Accountability.

Upper-Level Program
Students in the joint degree program are enrolled in and take classes at both schools during each of their upper-level semesters of the third and fourth years (with the exception of the Law School Winter Term) of the joint degree program. The requirements for each school and the program are as follows:

Law School

Joint degree students must earn no fewer than 52 additional credits including 36 Law School classroom credits of which no fewer than 18 must be earned in the first year of combined upper-level study. The total number of classroom credits includes the required minimum of two credits to satisfy the Professional Responsibility Requirement, credits from the required winter term (provided that the course chosen offers classroom credits) and credits from the Joint Degree Program Seminar, if applicable. Classroom credits include those connected to courses, seminars and reading groups, but not writing or clinical credits.

In addition, Business School credits equivalent to 10 Law School credits may count toward the total Law School credit requirement. The remaining six required Law School credits may be earned in classroom, writing or clinical courses.

Students must be enrolled in a minimum of 10 total credits each semester in Law School, Business School, or other authorized courses, with no fewer than six of these being Law School classroom credits toward the requirement of 36 classroom credits. Students should complete a minimum of 20 total Law School credits each year in order to ensure a balanced program of study.

Students enrolled in the JD/MBA program are permitted to waive one of the winter terms. The remaining Winter Term requirement may be completed through HLS classroom or clinical credits or participation in the Winter Term Writing Program. Further information is available from the Law School Registrar’s Office.

Joint degree students must also complete the HLS of 40 hours of public service and the J.D. Written Work Requirement (see below for more information).

Business School

Joint degree students must enroll in eight three-credit Elective Curriculum courses at HBS during the third and fourth years including: (1) at least 18 classroom credits in total and (2) a minimum of 4.5 and a maximum of 7.5 HBS MBA credits each semester to meet the required 12 total credits per year in each of the third and fourth years. In contrast, traditional MBA candidates must complete 30 credits in the second year Elective Curriculum.

 

[No1]

I'm done with your stupidity. You're copying and pasting shyt that my friends LIVE and do. Yet, you're arguing with me while you live in this fantasy world. JD/MBA are dual degrees just like JD/MPP, etc.

No one said you didn't have to meet the requirements for each school to get in that's common sense. If I wasn't the moderator of this forum I'd be asking the moderator of this forum to ban your dumb ass from this thread. Typical smart dumb nikka.

The worst part is this dude highlighted shyt that I explained 4 or 5 posts ago. Like he is literally quoting shyt that I explained already. This is some shyt I haven't seen since Puerto Rican Gary in his prime.

 

[filial_piety]

Are you this foolish? The Columbia/Richmond thing was a simple point. Try to follow along. You kept harping on JD/MBA and I was obviously just using an extreme example to show you that having one does not equate to being smarter or more well-rounded than someone with just a JD. It was just another example in my line of refuting your asertions. I also wasn't even clear that you knew what degree Romney had.


It's a terrible example. It appears as if you don't know what school either of the two candidates went to. It's even worse that you choose Columbia Law when Obama went to Columbia undergrad. You just appear to be all over the place considering they both went to Harvard for their professional academic training.

Second, I never said he "was smarter" or it was some Holy grail...the simple point was..academically on paper regardless of what your job is JD/MBA trumps a JD.

But besides that, you obviously don't know anything about these programs. You have to be accepted into both schools individually and you list on your applications that you're considering a dual degree. When you get into both you let both schools know and that initiates the process. But it's a program designed to to allow you to get your degrees in 4 years as opposed to 5 and nowadays some schools allow you to do it in 3 The only things separate are the two degrees you get and the application. There are special program coordinators just for JD/MBA and they are able to waive certain requirements of the respective programs, etc. They are very much integrated. You're clueless. No wonder you endorse Romney.

Duh! The only thing that is clear is that you clearly cannot read. I responded with this exact information eons ago.

 

[The Real]

Straight from Harvard and every other school I have encountered with such a program...

more...

Ok, I concede that you're right that one must apply to both programs if you are not already in either one, but as your link says: "Prospective JD/MBA students may apply to both schools concurrently or they may apply during the first year of study at either the Law School or the Business School."

Every MBA/JD I know did it the latter way, and I would bet that most people do it that way in general. Being that many schools have shortened their programs to only 3 years, it's easy to see why people would take this road.

 

[filial_piety]

I'm done with your stupidity. You're copying and pasting shyt that my friends LIVE and do. Yet, you're arguing with me while you live in this fantasy world. JD/MBA are dual degrees just like JD/MPP, etc.

No one said you didn't have to meet the requirements for each school to get in that's common sense. If I wasn't the moderator of this forum I'd be asking the moderator of this forum to ban your dumb ass from this thread. Typical smart dumb nikka.

The worst part is this dude highlighted shyt that I explained 4 or 5 posts ago. Like he is literally quoting shyt that I explained already. This is some shyt I haven't seen since Puerto Rican Gary in his prime.

I cut and pasted directly from the website requirements and you know better?

I honestly don't believe that you work with JD/MBA students unless it involves you emptying the waste basket.

 

[No1]

Are you this foolish? The Columbia/Richmond thing was a simple point. Try to follow along. You kept harping on JD/MBA and I was obviously just using an extreme example to show you that having one does not equate to being smarter or more well-rounded than someone with just a JD. It was just another example in my line of refuting your asertions. I also wasn't even clear that you knew what degree Romney had.


It's a terrible example. It appears as if you don't know what school either of the two candidates went to. It's even worse that you choose Columbia Law when Obama went to Columbia undergrad. You just appear to be all over the place considering they both went to Harvard for their professional academic training.

Second, I never said he "was smarter" or it was some Holy grail...the simple point was..academically on paper regardless of what your job is JD/MBA trumps a JD.




Duh! The only thing that is clear is that you clearly cannot read. I reponded with this exact information eons ago.

All right. I get it. You're trolling. I am no longer responding to you. You're officially on troll watch, keep it up.

 

[filial_piety]

All right. I get it. You're trolling. I am no longer responding to you. You're officially on troll watch, keep it up.

Translation "I've looked like a fool long enough, so I'll get out of dodge before the sun comes up"

 

[filial_piety]

Ok, I concede that you're right that one must apply to both programs if you are not already in either one, but as your link says: "Prospective JD/MBA students may apply to both schools concurrently or they may apply during the first year of study at either the Law School or the Business School."

Every MBA/JD I know did it the latter way, and I would bet that most people do it that way in general. Being that many schools have shortened their programs to only 3 years, it's easy to see why people would take this road.

Most programs basically follow the same formula and shave a year or so by cross registering classes for conveinence. It's the same for every joint program. It's a ridiculous argument either way. They both have stellar academic credentials, but Mittens gets the nod here.