Essential "The Real Truth Is Wall Street Regulates Congress": The Offical Bernie Sanders CircleJerk Thread

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This seems to be the culture in a lot of campaigns and he addressed it somewhat in his Senate run, but of course the usual suspects will make it seem like a unique issue to perpetuate the Bernie Bro myth.

They're clearly gonna learn from this and adjust more. Many supporters have criticized how the campaign was run last time and are still looking to see how his camp will be different. I have a feeling he will keep Jeff Weaver but he needs someone else to lead more and have him play a more secondary role. This stuff seems to implicate him more and those people unlike you know who directly caping for someone.
This is a show and prove moment for Sanders. And ultimately will go a long way into determining how much of womens/social justice vote.
 

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In this thread. The people I were directly adressing
My issue had nothing to do with caping for anybody in this thread

it had to do with the false equivelency as to the rape kavanaugh was accused of vs. the sanders campaign addressing issues with sexual harassment.

I'm saying trying to compare the sanders followers reactions to kavanaugh followers reactions is disingenuous due to the fact that:

A. the accusations are completely different
B. The response to the accusations are completely different
C. The women who are making the accusations are being treated completely different.

Trying to act as though "people were saying A about kavanaugh but now people are saying B about sanders" proves some bias is dumb when the fact is that kavanaugh was ACCUSED of A.... and the sanders campaign was ACCUSED of B....

Then trying to point out what random internet posters are saying to prove a point is equally low
 

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This seems to be the culture in a lot of campaigns and he addressed it somewhat in his Senate run, but of course the usual suspects will make it seem like a unique issue to perpetuate the Bernie Bro myth.

They're clearly gonna learn from this and adjust more. Many supporters have criticized how the campaign was run last time and are still looking to see how his camp will be different. I have a feeling he will keep Jeff Weaver but he needs someone else to lead more and have him play a more secondary role. This stuff seems to implicate him more and those people unlike you know who directly caping for someone.

Here's the crux of the issue the same people from 2016 feel it will be an issue in 2020 and it was poorly handled in 2016. No amount of deflection will change this.

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This is a show and prove moment for Sanders. And ultimately will go a long way into determining how much of womens/social justice vote.
Well said and thank you! The heart of modern day American progressivism deserves so much better! Root out sexual harassment now!
I guess Bernie will have to lead the American progressivism again. We all remember what Hillary did when there was sexual harassment in her campaign? Oh wait Nap forgot to make a thread about that :hhh:

Clinton Says She Should Have Fired Campaign Aide Accused of Sexual Harassment

Hillary Clinton making her concession speech during the 2016 presidential election. Mrs. Clinton had shielded a top adviser in her 2008 campaign accused of harassment.CreditDoug Mills/The New York Times
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Hillary Clinton making her concession speech during the 2016 presidential election. Mrs. Clinton had shielded a top adviser in her 2008 campaign accused of harassment.CreditCreditDoug Mills/The New York Times


By Maggie Haberman

  • Jan. 30, 2018
Hillary Clinton said on Tuesday night that she should have fired a top aide in her 2008 presidential campaign accused of sexual harassment.

“I very much understand the question I’m being asked as to why I let an employee on my 2008 campaign keep his job despite his inappropriate workplace behavior,” Mrs. Clinton said in a statement on Facebook. “The short answer is this: If I had it to do again, I wouldn’t.”

Mrs. Clinton’s expression of regret over the way she handled the allegations against the aide, Burns Strider, came less than a week after it was first reported that she had overruled a recommendation from two campaign advisers that he be dismissed. The report of her actions has touched off an extended debate on the responsibilities of the most prominent woman in American politics when confronted with sexual harassment.

She posted the lengthy statement about 15 minutes before President Trump entered the House chamber to deliver his first State of the Union address.

Mr. Strider, who was Mrs. Clinton’s faith-based adviser and who has frequently sent her scripture readings over the last several years, was accused by a younger female subordinate of repeated sexual harassment in late 2007. The two advisers, after researching the complaint, recommended that he be fired.

“In the end,” Mrs. Clinton said, “I decided to demote him, docking his pay; separate him from the woman; assign her to work directly for my then deputy campaign manager; put in place technical barriers to his emailing her; and require that he seek counseling. He would also be warned that any subsequent harassment of any kind toward anyone would result in immediate termination.”



“I did this because I didn’t think firing him was the best solution to the problem,” she said. “He needed to be punished, change his behavior and understand why his actions were wrong. The young woman needed to be able to thrive and feel safe. I thought both could happen without him losing his job. I believed the punishment was severe and the message to him unambiguous.”

About five years later, Mr. Strider was hired to lead a “super PAC” supporting Mrs. Clinton and run by a key ally, David Brock. He was fired from that group after he was accused by another young woman of sexual harassment.

#ImWithHer :wow:
 

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This changes nothing about how the Sanders campaign dealt with personnel issues involving sexual violence and harassment.

You should read the NYT article and come back to real life.

I haven't forgotten about the article you posted but it has nothing to do with this. Whataboutism is a tired logical fallacy.

It's also apparent from the article you shared more was done by the Hillary campaign than the Sanders' campaign and this was from 2008!
 
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This is a show and prove moment for Sanders. And ultimately will go a long way into determining how much of womens/social justice vote.
I don't think it's the number one issue that was viewed as a problem but it will be portrayed as being so. In a way, it gives him cover to make the change that he might stubbornly not want to do but should.

He needs to recognize how much stronger and better his campaign will be if things internally change because there are people ready to go all in cuz even with Warren running, for a large percentage of his supporters, she's distinctly the second choice and not the first.
 

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I don't think it's the number one issue that was viewed as a problem but it will be portrayed as being so. In a way, it gives him cover to make the change that he might stubbornly not want to do but should.

He needs to recognize how much stronger and better his campaign will be if things internally change because there are people ready to go all in cuz even with Warren running, for a large percentage of his supporters, she's distinctly the second choice and not the first.
It's certainly not the number one issue, but I think the Sanders campaign has a layup here to make it a part of the conversation.

People are aware of where Sanders stands on big ticket issues. How he will court the black and female vote are a little less clear in the national conversation.
 
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