Essential "The Real Truth Is Wall Street Regulates Congress": The Offical Bernie Sanders CircleJerk Thread
johnedwarduado
Banned
This is the problem people have with sanders, it is a cult like following. Anyone that does not bow down to him and see him as the fraud he is, then must be that they are not progressive?
storyteller
Veteran
Honest questions: Who are the progressive candidates that you support and what are the policies you support? What makes Bernie a fraud to you?
johnedwarduado
Banned
I see bernie sanders as a fraud and a racist sympathizer who wants democrats to bend the knee to the demonic white working class that voted for trump knowing he was going to hurt minorites, i dont want any candidate spouting that white working class bullshyt. fukk trump and his supporters and if that means trump 2020 so be it. We are already under white supremacist rule why bend the knee and give in? Sanders and his racist supporters on the left want to prioritize class over race but these morons don't understand that all trump voters care about is racial hierarchy they can be broke and have no money and be content as long as they believe trump is locking up black folks and treating the ungrateful negroes like they do not have rights.
I do not support anyone from the our revolution propaganda group or any politician that goes out of their way to kiss these idiots ass. I do not support any progressive candidates in particular as i vote based on policy..
Sanders supporters were asked to vote clinton and told about the damage trump would do to the court and they say fukk you and voted jill stein because of their ''conscience'' this added with the fact that sanders refused to drop out of the race until the primary was over when he knew he had no chance of winning and him saying hillary was not qualified to be president is why i resent him and his supporters so much, they knew the stakes of this election yet decided to listen to demons like greenwald, jimmy dore, kyle kulinski, the intercept and the rest of the racist left/right.
I cant forgive that, i just cant. If it means trump winning in 2020 just to spite bernie sanders and our revolution group and to have him humiliated and defeated then it is worth it. They cant get away with the bullshyt they pulled in 2016. Bernie or bust right? Okay you started it!
The man says the same speech every time and same ''wallstreet'' bullshyt line, he is a one trick pony thats my problem with him. I despise him more than i do donald trump and yet i do not agree with trumps policies. Sanders and his ilk are the biggest threat to any progress in this country because they have made and poisoned the democratic party and caused divisions, sanders and his supporters refuse to vote because their Saviour lost because he got defeated in the southern primaries by black voters who saw him for the fraud he is.. His brand of progressivism is dangerous and he should not be taken serious.
You just said a whole lot of nothing that didn't really answer any of his questions.
Bernie being a "one trick pony" doesn't make him a fraud. If he believes in what he's saying and has legitimate plans to solve what he believes to be the problem he's not a fraud, you just disagree with him.
You stated that you didn't support any candidate but were focused on policy but then didn't name a single policy you support. You just derided Bernie for only having a single issue.
You also trotted out the tired line that Bernie supporters didn't vote for Hillary. The truth is that most of them did, that's why she won the popular vote by about 3 million votes. She lost the electoral college because she didn't campaign hard in certain swing states. PERIOD
You're candidate lost, get over it. Bernie isn't retiring anytime soon. Right now he's working on executing a policy that would give everyone healthcare coverage and save trillions of dollars. Is that a policy you can support?
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johnedwarduado
Banned
Another delusional supporter bernie sanders policies have no chance of getting passed anytime soon. Republicans hold the senate and house and even if the dems somehow win both in the midterms trump will never sign it and if trump is somehow impeached/resigns pence will take over. What is the guarantee a democrat gets elected the next presidential election? and if so what is the guarantee they have enough votes to pass his delusional free college bullshyt? This is my problem with him, he knows it will never get passed but yelling free college will get people to like you.
I support universal healthcare but i am not delusional to believe that it is a possibility that can happen right now.
I'm not delusional, I know that the chances of Medicare for all passing right now is slim but that doesn't mean I don't want someone in a position of power fighting for it. There will never be a perfect time to push for something that will be unpopular with corporations, that doesn't mean you should sit back and only try things that corporations will be okay with. That's how we end up with the wealth gap and stagnant wages that we've had for decades. At some point someone has to fight against the odds and ask the people most hurt by these problems to help. People like you only want to change the status quo when it's easy or convenient but it's never easy to make real changes.
storyteller
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Well I'm with you on the ideal of focusing on policy over messaging, but that first paragraph reads to me like a complaint about how he tailors his message than his actual proposals. Which policy that Bernie proposes comes across as racist to you or do you see having an adverse impact on PoC and how? Like I can give you the opposite, his Medicare-For-All bill will have a outsized positive impact on PoC imho because the poverty rates for non-whites are way higher and Medicare For All would provide them with healthcare.
I think this is cutting off your nose to spite your face. We KNOW how bad Trump is; we know Bernie's platforms and policies; I think it's safe to say that anyone that isn't right leaning would look at the platform from Bernie and say that it's better than what Trump is doing. I suppose the argument could be "he's lying about what he'll do" but I'd need to see actual evidence to support that belief and it'd be a totally different argument from "I'm not voting for him because of 2016."
Again, the "dangers" of Sanders are gonna have to be illustrated here. What about his policies is "dangerous" to PoC that would paint him a fraud and racist? I also gotta ask again, what the progressive policy platform and which progressive politicians you support so I can get a better idea of your perspective. Not support any politician that goes out of their way to align with Bernie eliminates every new progressive to step up and even some politicians who have been historically closer to the typical Democratic norms (Gillebrand for sure; Booker and Harris arguably as well).
his policies are the most progressive ones available. I hope youre not someone who argues you had to vote Hilary over trump instead of staying him (which i agree with) and then say some dumb shyt like this (that you wouldnt vote for him vs trump)
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afterlife2009
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have a broken brain brehs
storyteller
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I've said it before and prolly will say it again (most likely after a post that equates to a twitter dump and ends with one smiley and like 15 tagged names), these Third Way cats saw the Bengazhi crap and decided to follow the strategy.
The deep cynicism of Bernie Sanders’s chief strategist
by Dana Milbank
Tad Devine, during his run as chief strategist for the Bernie Sanders presidential campaign, railed against the corrupting influence of money in politics.
He repeatedly echoed the Sanders message that “our economy is rigged,” that “special interests” buy politicians, that “all of the new wealth is going to the top of America,” that there is a “corrupt system of campaign finance” of which Hillary Clinton offered an “egregious” example. Sanders, by contrast, “supported the little guy.”
Those who heard Devine’s interviews and watched his Sanders TV ads therefore may be surprised to know that, in the years and months leading up to the Sanders presidential campaign, Devine was making gobs of money to secure the election of one of the world’s most corrupt political figures and then his allies.
Thanks to Robert S. Mueller III’s prosecution of Paul Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman and sometime business associate of Devine, we now have an unusual glimpse into the role the Democratic ad man had in electing and preserving the power of Ukraine’s Viktor Yanukovych, a crooked pro-Putin autocrat. Though American political consultants routinely rake in cash from foreign leaders — even shady ones — Devine’s seamless pivot from advocate for antidemocratic thug to champion of a principled democratic reformer shows extraordinary flexibility.
Yanukovych’s fraudulent election in 2004 as Ukraine’s president was invalidated, but not before his opponent was poisoned by dioxin. Yet testimony in the Manafort trial and documents released by Manafort’s lawyers show Devine helped Manafort on Yanukovych’s comeback as prime minister in 2006 and successful presidential run in 2010. Devine produced a memo of advice for Yanukovych’s party in 2012, even though by then Yanukovych had thrown the leading opposition politician in jail and had built a $100 million mansion — complete with zoo, helipad, golf course and replica galleon on an artificial lake — while his people were, in Devine’s own words, struggling with “joblessness, hunger and the general despair.”
Yanukovych was ousted in 2014 after he halted Ukraine’s movement toward the European Union, yet Devine offered to help Manafort’s efforts in the 2014 Ukraine election — for a price. “We are ready to take on this project,” he wrote to Manafort partner Rick Gates, for $100,000 per month (payable in advance), $25,000 per week of runoff, a $50,000 “success fee” and expenses including first-class airfare. In June 2014 — even as talks about the Sanders presidential run were getting underway — Devine went to Ukraine to help remnants of Yanukovych’s party reforming under a new name. “My rate for something like this would be $10,000/day, including travel days,” he wrote to Gates.
As Sanders likes to say, let me be clear: Manafort is the one on trial for money laundering and other crimes. Devine is a witness for the prosecution; as prosecutors pointed out when he testified Tuesday, he wasn’t the one with a bank account in Cyprus. There is no hint Devine did anything illegal — only cynical.
Manafort, who worked for the world’s sleazebags, made no pretense of scruples. But Devine was the guy molding the Sanders campaign as a righteous, everyman’s insurgency against the corrupt, wealthy establishment. Devine, who had worked on Sanders’s first campaign for the Senate in 2006 (the same year he plotted Yanukovych’s comeback), earned more than $5 million for his firm from the populist Sanders presidential campaign and at least $10 million in commissions split with another firm, according to a Slate tally.
Devine, through an employee, declined to comment Wednesday.
Devine wrote with Manafort a January 2006 memo when Russia was cutting off gas supplies to Ukraine, showing Yanukovych how to ride his “good neighbor” policy toward Russia to victory. He became prime minister. Devine drafted a presidential victory speech for Yanukovych in February 2010 (“We are all Ukrainians first,” the American wrote) and later that year wrote talking points showing how Yanukovych and his party could attack the opposition.
By April 2012, Yanukovych had jailed his opponent and become an international pariah. Devine told Gates, “I regret that we will not be able to work with you” on Ukraine’s parliamentary elections. But four months later, Devine wrote a strategy memo for Manafort. “The number of people who admit they are having difficulty feeding their family throughout Ukraine today is stunning,” he wrote, urging Yanukovych to “signal” his concern and calling for his party to attack. “I would recommend a roughly 3:1 negative to positive ratio in the advertising,” he wrote.
In March 2014, Devine sent Gates a $100,000-per-month proposed agreement “to work on the election in Ukraine.” In court Tuesday, Devine said Gates had recruited him to work for the man who is now Ukraine’s president, billionaire Petro Poroshenko, but Devine didn’t wind up working on the project.
Just as well. It was almost time for him to launch the anti-corruption campaign of Bernie Sanders.
BERNIE SANDERS MUST ANSWER FOR THIS. I fukkING TOLD YALL. THIS IS DISGUSTING.
I WAS BANNED. BUSHED. CENSORED.
THE TRUTH IS OUT. BERNIE KNEW.
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