Essential "The Real Truth Is Wall Street Regulates Congress": The Offical Bernie Sanders CircleJerk Thread
I don't trust this woman.
Of course you don't.
storyteller
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The premise is just busted. The segment of Bernie supporters that didn't vote for Hillary weren't ever going to vote for Hillary. Whether Bernie ran against her or not. That group was a miniscule number that falls into the norms of every election (and a far smaller percentage than the Hillary supporters that turned on Obama); Bernie was always scoring higher on polls that included independents (plenty of whom registered Democrat just to vote Bernie); and in those Rustbelt states where Hillary lost by a hair...she barely campaigned and put little effort into mobilizing voters.
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establishment dem shills are such dense people. cant look in the mirror and resort to lies. yeah bernie didnt campaign for hillary after he "lost" right? theyre making up shyt like republicans at this point , Ocasio has them scared. saying we cant get free college cause of economics? the latest military budget increase which a ton of dems voted for, less than that would cover free education for the whole country. shyt like that makes me want to tell these [people just go to the other side of the aisle you have more in common with them. also where is the anger for the dems folding that even allowed this SC mess ? and Shumer just stated he wont reinstate the filibuster. a bunch of weak bytches.
Dont know if yall saw secular talk but the DSA is talking about "abolish profit, abolish prisons (not private prison or prison reform but prisons period) and abolish borders.". smh i swear it seems the left no matter if its centrist or further left make the dumbest descions possible on strategy . even if Ocasio and progressives arent nessacaily running the same platform as the DSA group is promoting, if foxnews or someone gets a hold of it, im surprised they havent already, it aint gonna matter, both of them have democratic socialism in their name, thats good enough. Im for abolishing ICE and its not even abolishing all immigration control but a lot of people prob think it is , so its borderline running with that but Id still do it, but those other 3, 
storyteller
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Dont know if yall saw secular talk but the DSA is talking about "abolish profit, abolish prisons (not private prison or prison reform but prisons period) and abolish borders.". smh i swear it seems the left no matter if its centrist or further left make the dumbest descions possible on strategy . even if Ocasio and progressives arent nessacaily running the same platform as the DSA group is promoting, if foxnews or someone gets a hold of it, im surprised they havent already, it aint gonna matter, both of them have democratic socialism in their name, thats good enough. Im for abolishing ICE and its not even abolishing all immigration control but a lot of people prob think it is , so its borderline running with that but Id still do it, but those other 3,
It's just poor slogan game. I think it was Michael Brooks on the Majority Report that clarified it. "Abolish profit...as we know it. Abolish prisons...as we know them. Abolish borders...as we know them." Once you contextualize the phrase, it's not all that inflammatory imo and a good discussion starter. But it's ripe for people to misunderstand. If people got confused by "Black Lives Matter" than this sorta language is EASY to play semantics on and completely misrepresent. I feel like a lot of DSA members are Social Democrats who got the wrong rhetoric to begin with; they really gotta work on their marketing aspect. You have to market your ideas better and be aware of how people will attack them. What's unfortunate is that everything gets simplified down to it's least contextualized Twitter length version of an idea; but these policy discussions are complex as hell and require nuance that a lot of people just don't put the time in to trying to understand or explore further.
storyteller
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Exactly, make some ish that they literally cannot be misrepresented. Don't leave room for assumption. I always play rule of three, had some ideas around something like Rebuild, Reform, Reimagine...and then you can put that in front of policy. Rebuild, Reform, Reimagine Healthcare...and straight up this is a derivative of the whole "Change" concept that people really got behind; but go with what works.
