Essential "The Real Truth Is Wall Street Regulates Congress": The Offical Bernie Sanders CircleJerk Thread
Crazy how progressives now gotta deal with two mealy mouthed plans trying to hijack the Medicare For All bill and the movement behind it. That b.s. United States of Care plan and this CAP Medicare Extra for All plan.
Bernie Sanders promoted false story on reporting Russian trolls
Bernie Sanders promoted false story on reporting Russian trolls
The Vermont senator’s claim of sharing suspicious activity with the Clinton campaign never happened.
By EDWARD-ISAAC DOVERE
02/24/2018 06:56 AM EST
Sen. Bernie Sanders and his top aide were at turns defiant and defensive during and after his interview with a Vermont radio station, even initially disputing special counsel Robert Mueller’s finding in his indictment last week that the Russians backed his campaign. | Pete Marovich/Getty Images
Bernie Sanders is taking credit for action to combat the Russian incursion into the 2016 election that he didn’t have anything to do with — and didn’t actually happen.
Twice this week, in response to questions about whether he benefited from the Russian effort, as prosecutors allege, or did enough to stop it, Sanders said a staffer passed information to Hillary Clinton’s aides about a suspected Russian troll operation.
It turns out that the purported Sanders’ staffer who said he tried to sound the alarm was a campaign volunteer who acted on his own, without any contact or direction from the Vermont senator or his staff. When the volunteer, John Mattes of San Diego, said he communicated with the Clinton campaign in local press accounts, he was confusing it for a super PAC supportive of Clinton.
He also doesn’t know why Sanders is taking all the credit. “I’m going to send him a bill for my back pay,” Mattes joked.
“He could have called me,” Mattes added. “He maybe doesn’t have my phone number.”
Mattes’ claims, made in two phone interviews with POLITICO, came after Sanders and staffers offered numerous and conflicting answers in the span of a few hours on Wednesday about what he did about Russian meddling. Sanders and his top aide were at turns defiant and defensive during and after his interview with a Vermont radio station, even initially disputing special counsel Robert Mueller’s finding in his indictment last week that the Russians backed his campaign.
Mattes acknowledged, though, that he didn’t come to suspect Russia was involved until weeks after the Clinton campaign publicly raised concerns about Russian hacking. He said he never talked to anyone on the Clinton campaign itself, though he believed that the researcher he spoke with at the pro-Clinton American Bridge PAC, run by David Brock, was tantamount to reaching the campaign.
“David Brock was all I knew of the campaign,” Mattes said. “No one at American Bridge said, ‘Call up Hillary, call up John Podesta or anybody.’ …. If they weren’t sharing it with Hillary, that is their responsibility.”
Mattes is adamant that anyone who claims that American Bridge was not tantamount to the Clinton campaign is being naive, though campaign finance laws prohibit interaction between entities such as those.
Mattes shared with POLITICO email exchanges he had with an American Bridge researcher, whom Federal Election Commission records show was on staff through the end of 2016. In one of them, the researcher responded “this is amazing” to a link Mattes sent from a site he claimed was Macedonian. It appeared to be a news article about Clinton receiving debate questions in advance.
The researcher, whose name Mattes shared under condition it not be published, did not respond to attempts by email or Facebook to verify Mattes’ claims of contact or information.
A spokesperson for American Bridge declined to comment.
Mattes, who said he’s a lawyer who’s been involved lately in class action suits against a major car rental company and Delta Airlines, worked as a researcher for the Senate, and afterward for several news organizations. His involvement with the presidential campaign started with a Skype conversation with Sanders in the spring of 2015 conducted from a local fast food restaurant along with several other volunteers. The conversation, before the campaign was announced, was the only time Mattes said he's spoken with the senator.
His interest was sparked by seeing a flurry of accounts joining Bernie Sanders pages on Facebook after the primaries were over. That seemed unusual, as did their names.
“No profile on Facebook, no history on Facebook, and to me what was striking is that to me these people were emerging out of the ground and all they wanted to do was join Bernie Sanders groups,” Mattes said.
Digging more, he said he found that multiple accounts were using the same names and posting articles he found “wildly over the top” bashing Clinton. He noticed strange typos in them, too.
“In the second week of September, I felt comfortable enough with what [I was] seeing to share it not just with my friends,” Mattes said.
He said he also shared his findings with “someone on [Barack] Obama’s national security staff” just before the election.
“This person in blunt terms said, ‘John, we are seeing Putin’s fingerprints, and Putin is paying for all of it,’” Mattes said.
Asked who this person was, Mattes would only say that it was “a high-level person.”
Daniel Lippman contributed to this report.
Bernie Sanders promoted false story on reporting Russian trolls
The Vermont senator’s claim of sharing suspicious activity with the Clinton campaign never happened.
By EDWARD-ISAAC DOVERE
02/24/2018 06:56 AM EST
Sen. Bernie Sanders and his top aide were at turns defiant and defensive during and after his interview with a Vermont radio station, even initially disputing special counsel Robert Mueller’s finding in his indictment last week that the Russians backed his campaign. | Pete Marovich/Getty Images
Bernie Sanders is taking credit for action to combat the Russian incursion into the 2016 election that he didn’t have anything to do with — and didn’t actually happen.
Twice this week, in response to questions about whether he benefited from the Russian effort, as prosecutors allege, or did enough to stop it, Sanders said a staffer passed information to Hillary Clinton’s aides about a suspected Russian troll operation.
It turns out that the purported Sanders’ staffer who said he tried to sound the alarm was a campaign volunteer who acted on his own, without any contact or direction from the Vermont senator or his staff. When the volunteer, John Mattes of San Diego, said he communicated with the Clinton campaign in local press accounts, he was confusing it for a super PAC supportive of Clinton.
He also doesn’t know why Sanders is taking all the credit. “I’m going to send him a bill for my back pay,” Mattes joked.
“He could have called me,” Mattes added. “He maybe doesn’t have my phone number.”
Mattes’ claims, made in two phone interviews with POLITICO, came after Sanders and staffers offered numerous and conflicting answers in the span of a few hours on Wednesday about what he did about Russian meddling. Sanders and his top aide were at turns defiant and defensive during and after his interview with a Vermont radio station, even initially disputing special counsel Robert Mueller’s finding in his indictment last week that the Russians backed his campaign.
Mattes acknowledged, though, that he didn’t come to suspect Russia was involved until weeks after the Clinton campaign publicly raised concerns about Russian hacking. He said he never talked to anyone on the Clinton campaign itself, though he believed that the researcher he spoke with at the pro-Clinton American Bridge PAC, run by David Brock, was tantamount to reaching the campaign.
“David Brock was all I knew of the campaign,” Mattes said. “No one at American Bridge said, ‘Call up Hillary, call up John Podesta or anybody.’ …. If they weren’t sharing it with Hillary, that is their responsibility.”
Mattes is adamant that anyone who claims that American Bridge was not tantamount to the Clinton campaign is being naive, though campaign finance laws prohibit interaction between entities such as those.
Mattes shared with POLITICO email exchanges he had with an American Bridge researcher, whom Federal Election Commission records show was on staff through the end of 2016. In one of them, the researcher responded “this is amazing” to a link Mattes sent from a site he claimed was Macedonian. It appeared to be a news article about Clinton receiving debate questions in advance.
The researcher, whose name Mattes shared under condition it not be published, did not respond to attempts by email or Facebook to verify Mattes’ claims of contact or information.
A spokesperson for American Bridge declined to comment.
Mattes, who said he’s a lawyer who’s been involved lately in class action suits against a major car rental company and Delta Airlines, worked as a researcher for the Senate, and afterward for several news organizations. His involvement with the presidential campaign started with a Skype conversation with Sanders in the spring of 2015 conducted from a local fast food restaurant along with several other volunteers. The conversation, before the campaign was announced, was the only time Mattes said he's spoken with the senator.
His interest was sparked by seeing a flurry of accounts joining Bernie Sanders pages on Facebook after the primaries were over. That seemed unusual, as did their names.
“No profile on Facebook, no history on Facebook, and to me what was striking is that to me these people were emerging out of the ground and all they wanted to do was join Bernie Sanders groups,” Mattes said.
Digging more, he said he found that multiple accounts were using the same names and posting articles he found “wildly over the top” bashing Clinton. He noticed strange typos in them, too.
“In the second week of September, I felt comfortable enough with what [I was] seeing to share it not just with my friends,” Mattes said.
He said he also shared his findings with “someone on [Barack] Obama’s national security staff” just before the election.
“This person in blunt terms said, ‘John, we are seeing Putin’s fingerprints, and Putin is paying for all of it,’” Mattes said.
Asked who this person was, Mattes would only say that it was “a high-level person.”
Daniel Lippman contributed to this report.
Evident in clowns crying cuz CA Dems didn't endorse Feinstein.
You don't get to fukking call them "enemies" then refuse to do something about it.
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Veteran
Just so I have this straight, Bernie said a staffer contacted the Clinton campaign about the issue but it was actually a volunteer who contacted a Clinton supporting super PAC to try and get the message through to her...that's the whole of the article above?
What is up with this behavior?
Especially with a reporter thats well liked like this?
Especially with a reporter thats well liked like this?
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The funny thing is I remember a poll a while back as far as issues that voters cared about most and economy and healthcare topped the list while Russia didn't even break the top five .
So there is a segment of people who claim to really hate Trump but take the least successful tactics and focus on the political issues most people don't care about. Yet attack candidates who focus on winning issues. Democrats at large I think are getting the idea but we have some people who think most voters care that Bernie Sanders talks less about Russia and more about healthcare .
If he never mentions Russia ever, I wouldn't change my opinion of him. However if he went Louise Mensch in lieu of talking about healthcare he would lose my respect and many others.
You look at the above poll and think Russia should take a priority as a winning political message to remove trump, well get ready for another trump victory in 2020.
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The funny thing is I remember a poll a while back as far as issues that voters cared about most and economy and healthcare topped the list while Russia didn't even break the top five .
So there is a segment of people who claim to really hate Trump but take the least successful tactics and focus on the political issues most people don't care about. Yet attack candidates who focus on winning issues. Democrats at large I think are getting the idea but we have some people who think most voters care that Bernie Sanders talks less about Russia and more about healthcare .
If he never mentions Russia ever, I wouldn't change my opinion of him. However if he went Louise Mensch in lieu of talking about healthcare he would lose my respect and many others.
You look at the above poll and think Russia should take a priority as a winning political message to remove trump, well get ready for another trump victory in 2020.
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Its like... Twitter isn't real life!
storyteller
Veteran
Have y'all read up on Bernie's son, Levi? MF is running on the democrat platform, but has tweeted some less than ideal views..
Something aint adding up
That wouldn't surprise me too much because I remember when this first came up hearing some people say that the people Sanders camp didn't want him to run (paraphrasing so it may have been that they were just hesitant). But I'd want to click a few of those articles and see what he's getting at. I doubt a HuffingtonPost article would be challenging the idea of "White Privilege." Just off the little two sentence teaser I'm guessing that one is about changing the semantics to make it more marketable (Republicans do this ish all the time ie: "Chain Migration" instead of Family Migration or Reunification). But I'm not planting a flag on that ish...just that I'd double check, because I've seen way too many reaches on the Bernie hate train. I remember some neolibs trying to say Bernie's Medicare for All proposal was bad because it meant he wanted to take away your Obamacare. Now they got me checking the context of everything because of how insincere that attack was (or for a more recent example the Justice Democrat from Texas that the DCCC attacked).
And then you wonder why I say Sanders is tone deaf. Look at his son!
@GzUp @wire28 @Atlrocafella @Blessed Is the Man @ezrathegreat @Jello Biafra @humble forever @Darth Nubian @Dameon Farrow @jj23 @General Bravo III @2stainz @BigMoneyGrip @hashmander @Call Me James @MVike28 @VR Tripper @dongameister @Soymuscle Mike @BaileyPark31 @Darth Nubian
@GzUp @wire28 @Atlrocafella @Blessed Is the Man @ezrathegreat @Jello Biafra @humble forever @Darth Nubian @Dameon Farrow @jj23 @General Bravo III @2stainz @BigMoneyGrip @hashmander @Call Me James @MVike28 @VR Tripper @dongameister @Soymuscle Mike @BaileyPark31 @Darth Nubian