The Real Story of N.W.A.? More info about members/ what caused the split

[Nino Soprano]

Daz told that story about Michel'le...

Daz kinda insinuating that Suge had Pac killed cuz he was fukking Michel'le

But knowing Daz and his stories

 

[Young/Nacho\Drawz]

The biggest misconception and actually the most accurate depiction in the film was Jerry Heller. The misconception was he stole from NWA and whatnot. The movie really gave Jerry Heller the benefit of the doubt. But with all that said, Heller was and still IS a snake that used NWA for his own advantage like most white Jews do. He didn't do anything illegal, but at the same time conned a bunch of streets kids into deals and contracts that were way over their heads and they signed on the dotted line without legal representation.

Suge was no different from Heller when dealing with contracts either, which was the REAL reason why the original group of Death Row members all left. Once Suge got locked up after Pac died, all the shyt that he was covering up began to get exposed. The person to thank for that was Afeni Shakur when she sued Suge for the money that was owed and to acquire the rights to Tupac's music. That's was then where everyone started to check their own books. Before it wasn't a big deal because Suge took care of them for anything and everything they needed so it wasn't a thought, but once everyone learned how much they SHOULD of been receiving that's when everyone started to leave Death Row.

You're wrong. The movie had Eazy downgrading his house with innuendos that it was due to Jerry stealing (looking out for myself). Eazy had just signed a forty million dollar deal and no one has said that there was any truth to Eazy doing that. Heller was World's Class Wrecking Cru's manager before he was NWA's so if it was that bad then Dre never would have told Eazy to hook up with him. Like I said before, no one has proven to the public that he was stealing. I don't think the other members have even said it besides Cube. It is said that the NOI showed Eazy and whatnot but neither you or I have ever seen any documentation of it. All we have is No Vaseline, which for me isn't enough. As far as I'm aware of the only kid in the situation was Ice Cube. Everyone else were grown men. Lastly, Heller isn't a Jew. He's Jewish, not the same thing.

Not sure why you are praising Afeni, she has been accused by many former DR artist of not paying up. All those albums her son sold had a long list of people who helped out on it who aren't being compensated. Out of respect for Pac they haven't really made it a big deal but I have heard a few interviews where various artist mention it. That's one of the reason why there is alot of Pac unreleased material that different people have. They can't put it out without going through Afeni but at the same time they know her business aint straight so they just sitting on it.

 

[seemorecizzy]

With Cube, Chris Tucker was only paid a few g's for doing Friday ($5,000?) and he wont do another one until Cube pays him what's owed. You could say contractually he got what he signed up for but morally you know it's wrong. I honestly don't see the difference here between that and what Cube says Heller did.

The D.O.C. said in a interview that he wasn't straight for all of the time he was rolling with Dre. He said he never had any paper work with him.

where u get this from

 

[eastside313]

Its a known fact eazy did not get beat. Suge knight tried to thretean eazy but eazys people sorrounded suge and he had to leave with his tail between his legs.

Eazy took them to court and won. He said he only signed the paperwork because he was under duress.

 

[gluvnast]

You're wrong. The movie had Eazy downgrading his house with innuendos that it was due to Jerry stealing (looking out for myself). Eazy had just signed a forty million dollar deal and no one has said that there was any truth to Eazy doing that. Heller was World's Class Wrecking Cru's manager before he was NWA's so if it was that bad then Dre never would have told Eazy to hook up with him. Like I said before, no one has proven to the public that he was stealing. I don't think the other members have even said it besides Cube. It is said that the NOI showed Eazy and whatnot but neither you or I have ever seen any documentation of it. All we have is No Vaseline, which for me isn't enough. As far as I'm aware of the only kid in the situation was Ice Cube. Everyone else were grown men. Lastly, Heller isn't a Jew. He's Jewish, not the same thing.

Not sure why you are praising Afeni, she has been accused by many former DR artist of not paying up. All those albums her son sold had a long list of people who helped out on it who aren't being compensated. Out of respect for Pac they haven't really made it a big deal but I have heard a few interviews where various artist mention it. That's one of the reason why there is alot of Pac unreleased material that different people have. They can't put it out without going through Afeni but at the same time they know her business aint straight so they just sitting on it.

I said nothing about Eazy E downgrading or being broke or any implied suggestions that he was broke, which is funny because THIS person claimed that Eazy was spending recklessly. I dunno if that was true or not. What I CAN say as fact is that EAZY FIRED JERRY and TOMICA took over management. And this was mainly because Eazy learned for himself that his money was mismanaged. Even Cube put him out on blast in "No Vaseline" when he said, "Plus you both have the SAME BANK ACCOUNT/ dumb nikka, what you thinkin' bout?". Out of EVERYBODY, they even those like Michele and DJ Yella that had no problems with Jerry, they all stated Jerry took advantage of them because they did not know the music business like that. They were young kids from the street. Jerry WAS a snake, but most of those executives were snakes, especially when it came to the ones managing hip hop during the 1980's. Jerry Heller was no different from the guys from Cold Chillin' who was doing the same shyt until Marley sued their asses.

Also, I wasn't giving praise to Afeni Shakur as some kind of hero, but making the point that if it wasn't for HER suing Death Row for Tupac's royalties and for the rights, none of the other artists would of checked on their OWN money situation. Simple as that.

 

[eastside313]

This cac must still be mad at cube for his Jewish comments

 

[gluvnast]

It don't matter. All of the Friday's that came after the first are produced through Cube Vision. Therefore Cube has to pay to up in order to get Tucker on board. I'm not blaming Cube for paying Tucker pennies, no one knew what the film would turn out to be. I'm saying that since the film did blow up he should pay Tucker and all of the actors justly based off its success and in order to get Tucker back in the franchise.

The D.O.C. was never signed to him true. But so what? I'm talking about him complaining a few years ago, not way back in '94. He said he wasn't straight from rolling with Dre for over twenty years. Don't tell me that either of these artist could make millions off of someone and it's ok since they weren't signed to them. Dre wouldn't be the same Dre without the D.O.C. and Friday wouldn't be isn't ish without Tucker.

Again, it is up to Chris Tucker if he wants to do Friday, but he wants a fat paycheck so that is that. But it is not Cube's fault that Tucker got paid little. Especially at the time he wasn't nowhere NEAR a major star and it was an extremely low-budget movie to begin with, so hardly ANYONE really got paid. So using that is neither here nor there. There's PLENTY of valid reasons of Cube screwing over artists due to taking credit that he didn't deserving to INCLUDE the 1st Friday when it was mostly known that DJ POOH was more of the writer than Cube was if you wanted to go that route. Which was why they had their small beef.

Also, again... both DRE and DOC have an on again, off again relationship throughout their entire career. They cool with each other now. DOC was the one that introduced Dre to that white dude that's on the Compton LP. Their issues and beefs usually always be on some trivial shyt that they always make up and squash. Also, why would DOC want to be sign with Dre? He made a successful career as a ghostwriter for Dre and Snoop and plenty others for those past 25 years just because his vocals were messed up, and even with THAT he still was able too make albums of his own solo. There's no need for him to be signed.

 

[Big Boss]

Hell, most of this is more falsified than the Straight Outta Compton movie itself! And clearly he has something against Ice Cube. The only truth he said about Cube was he went to college in Arizona for a year between '87-88. The OUTRIGHT lie is this claim he already had a contract to which virtually EVERYONE directly involved said he had never ever signed and this was common knowledge. That was why it was so easy for Cube to just bounce, because he wasn't under any obligations. shyt, you got old Pump It Up video interviews showing him still living with his parents, not remotely having the kind of money that was possibly owed to him, because he never was under any real contract anyway. Now what is POSSIBLY true is why he may of left which part of it being money that was owed to him and Bryan Turner from Priority swaying in and boosting up Cube's ego saying you don't need NWA, and wanted Cube to sign with Priority exclusively. Which was the SMART business decision by Cube. Cube even said it in "No Vaseline", "We started off with too cargo/ dropped four nikkaz now I'm making all the dough".

The talk about him running to New York because of Above the Law is misinformation. The encounter between ATL and Da Lench Mob happened IN New York at the Music Seminar in 1990 AFTER "AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted" (which was somewhat accurately depicted in the movie). The reason why Cube went to NY was because he originally wanted 3rd Bass' producer to do his album. He actually tried to get Dr. Dre to do it, but Dre was contractually obligated with Ruthless. When he went to Def Jam looking for 3rd Bass and bumped into Chuck D. Chuck D urged him to get back with NWA because he felt that rappers going solo aren't going to be as successful as rap groups (which back in the day, most rappers were in groups because it was harder to get put on solo, only a select few were able to succeed). Cube stated to Chuck there was no way he would ever return which was at that moment Chuck D decided why not him and his production team do Cube's album. Cube's influence with the NOI and five percent nation was due to hanging out with P.E. and not for some so-called "protection".

A HUGE slander is the part about Michele. DJ Vlad for a whole HOUR PLUS video interview with her posted directly on YouTube detailing everything. She was never Cube's girlfriend. I don't even think she knew Cube in 1986. It was Lonzo Williams that introduced Michele to Dr. Dre when she sang the hook for "Turn Off the Lights" because the original chick that was supposed to do it backed out. The only reason why got with Dre was because him and Eazy both were trying to get them draws. The whole story about SHE being the reason for Dre leaving Death Row is untrue because Dre was already with and living with Nicole, his current wife. And you didn't need the movie to know that, read the 1996 SOURCE interview that was posted on here last month. They were already living together and by Michele's account, Dre was still trying to get back with her despite him and Nicole living together. I know what Daz claimed, but half the time Daz be saying a lot of B. But I WILL agree that Michele whored herself too, whether it because of some kind of get back for all the whoring Dre done or what, but Suge DID try to use Michele to drive a wedge between him and Dre, but it wasn't the reason why Dr. Dre left.

The main reason Dr. Dre left was because of the sudden dramatic atmospheric change in Death Row, which was OVERLY OVERLY OVERLY exaggerated in the movie (we all know that Dre would NEVER confront Suge or his goon squad like that, not then nor now!) but true as to why he left (again read the 1996 SOURCE interview). You can say, part of that was due to Tupac taking over, or you can say Dr.'s work ethic was lazy and he really only wanted to work with people that was with him at the start of Death Row and not all of those "new nikkaz" that came afterwards. Nobody really knows if Dre actually talked to Suge directly about leaving face to face, but it is true that Suge worked up an agreement with Jimmy Iovine in whether Jimmy wanted Dre to start a sub-label (AFTERMATH) in which he'll cosign to and Suge agreeing to that as long as Dre relieve all the rights, masters, and co-ownership of Death Row. This talk about Dre screwing over Death Row is false. Suge ended up owning everything thinking he didn't need Dre when all the remaining talent he had left. It was an agreement between Suge and Jimmy as to why Aftermath even exists.

 

[spliz]

You're wrong. The movie had Eazy downgrading his house with innuendos that it was due to Jerry stealing (looking out for myself). Eazy had just signed a forty million dollar deal and no one has said that there was any truth to Eazy doing that. Heller was World's Class Wrecking Cru's manager before he was NWA's so if it was that bad then Dre never would have told Eazy to hook up with him. Like I said before, no one has proven to the public that he was stealing. I don't think the other members have even said it besides Cube. It is said that the NOI showed Eazy and whatnot but neither you or I have ever seen any documentation of it. All we have is No Vaseline, which for me isn't enough. As far as I'm aware of the only kid in the situation was Ice Cube. Everyone else were grown men. Lastly, Heller isn't a Jew. He's Jewish, not the same thing.

Not sure why you are praising Afeni, she has been accused by many former DR artist of not paying up. All those albums her son sold had a long list of people who helped out on it who aren't being compensated. Out of respect for Pac they haven't really made it a big deal but I have heard a few interviews where various artist mention it. That's one of the reason why there is alot of Pac unreleased material that different people have. They can't put it out without going through Afeni but at the same time they know her business aint straight so they just sitting on it.

Son its like this. No matter if Heller is less grimey than people think he is. The nikka wasn't innocent and any man has a right to make moves and/or not sign a contract if the money ain't lookin right for him..no if's and's or but's.

 

[Rigby.]

Holy fukk I spent 20 mins reading and there was still more to go

fukk that

 

[Young/Nacho\Drawz]

Again, it is up to Chris Tucker if he wants to do Friday, but he wants a fat paycheck so that is that. But it is not Cube's fault that Tucker got paid little. Especially at the time he wasn't nowhere NEAR a major star and it was an extremely low-budget movie to begin with, so hardly ANYONE really got paid. So using that is neither here nor there. There's PLENTY of valid reasons of Cube screwing over artists due to taking credit that he didn't deserving to INCLUDE the 1st Friday when it was mostly known that DJ POOH was more of the writer than Cube was if you wanted to go that route. Which was why they had their small beef.

Also, again... both DRE and DOC have an on again, off again relationship throughout their entire career. They cool with each other now. DOC was the one that introduced Dre to that white dude that's on the Compton LP. Their issues and beefs usually always be on some trivial shyt that they always make up and squash. Also, why would DOC want to be sign with Dre? He made a successful career as a ghostwriter for Dre and Snoop and plenty others for those past 25 years just because his vocals were messed up, and even with THAT he still was able too make albums of his own solo. There's no need for him to be signed.

I never said it was Cube's fault. I fault Cube for making all of that money and isntead of coming back around and taking care of Tucker for the sake of the Friday brand, he hasn't. The fact that he didn't does make him look bad imo.

My only point with the D.O.C. is that he has complained about money. You said that no one has ever said that Dre screwed him.

I said nothing about Eazy E downgrading or being broke or any implied suggestions that he was broke, which is funny because THIS person claimed that Eazy was spending recklessly. I dunno if that was true or not. What I CAN say as fact is that EAZY FIRED JERRY and TOMICA took over management. And this was mainly because Eazy learned for himself that his money was mismanaged. Even Cube put him out on blast in "No Vaseline" when he said, "Plus you both have the SAME BANK ACCOUNT/ dumb nikka, what you thinkin' bout?". Out of EVERYBODY, they even those like Michele and DJ Yella that had no problems with Jerry, they all stated Jerry took advantage of them because they did not know the music business like that. They were young kids from the street. Jerry WAS a snake, but most of those executives were snakes, especially when it came to the ones managing hip hop during the 1980's. Jerry Heller was no different from the guys from Cold Chillin' who was doing the same shyt until Marley sued their asses.

Also, I wasn't giving praise to Afeni Shakur as some kind of hero, but making the point that if it wasn't for HER suing Death Row for Tupac's royalties and for the rights, none of the other artists would of checked on their OWN money situation. Simple as that.

Well if the film was depicted accurately as you said then they wouldn't have shown Eazy downgrading his home. That made the film inaccurate. I can't argue with the rest.

Son its like this. No matter if Heller is less grimey than people think he is. The nikka wasn't innocent and any man has a right to make moves and/or not sign a contract if the money ain't lookin right for him..no if's and's or but's.

Kid, if he was grimey then so was Eazy. Why they aint show that in the movie?

 

[Young/Nacho\Drawz]

Hilarious! How Much Did Chris Tucker Get Paid For Friday? Katt Williams Will Tell You
@seemorecizzy

 

[Still Benefited]

Nah that nikka too much of a fanboy for me. nikka tried to even downplay Cube's talent n shyt. Can't rock wit that kinda hate.

He was already a lil extra with the Cube hate,but then he had to cross that line where he downplayed the hell outta what Cube was to the group....Dre "basically told Cube what to write,what to say,how to say it,and deserved a equal writing credit"....Well there shouldn't have been any problem after Cube left,but reality tells us different

Did Cube want to be as big a rapper as Eazy E? probably so,if you see your writing the most popular songs of the group its easy to think "That shoulda been me"

He comin down a little harsh on Cube who was basically a kid at the time for whatever reason,moreso a kid than the rest of em who was young as shyt too

 

[spliz]

I never said it was Cube's fault. I fault Cube for making all of that money and isntead of coming back around and taking care of Tucker for the sake of the Friday brand, he hasn't. The fact that he didn't does make him look bad imo.

My only point with the D.O.C. is that he has complained about money. You said that no one has ever said that Dre screwed him.

Well if the film was depicted accurately as you said then they wouldn't have shown Eazy downgrading his home. That made the film inaccurate. I can't argue with the rest.


Kid, if he was grimey then so was Eazy. Why they aint show that in the movie?

I really don't care what they showed in that movie considering the second half of it was fraudulent as fukk. I'm not a kid so cut that bullshyt out when u addressing me. And as far as I'm concerned no one was completely innocent. I think Eazy was kinda naive as well but that's neither here nor there considering I've never seen the contracts so I can only go by the people who were involved in the situation. Like I said. If Cube saw contracts that he was unhappy with on the money end. He has a right as a man to make moves and not sign. shyt may have been a standard rookie contract for all I know. But if he felt he was worth MORE. And was willing to risk it all to get more. That's HIS right as a man in the world of business. He has a right to look out for his well being. Period. He felt he contributed a lot more than what he was receiving.

 

[TillWeDie]

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