The Real Story of N.W.A.? More info about members/ what caused the split

[Big Boss]

 

[FeloniousMonk]

@ Miche'le being a jump off..and her career going nowhere fast..

 

[gluvnast]

With Cube, Chris Tucker was only paid a few g's for doing Friday ($5,000?) and he wont do another one until Cube pays him what's owed. You could say contractually he got what he signed up for but morally you know it's wrong. I honestly don't see the difference here between that and what Cube says Heller did.

The D.O.C. said in a interview that he wasn't straight for all of the time he was rolling with Dre. He said he never had any paper work with him.

Ice Cube wasn't a PRODUCER for Friday, he was at the most, aside from starring in the film, a co-writer... so what does HE have anything to do with Chris Tucker? See, this is why people need to stop listening to rumors and look at actual facts. Second of all, in regards of Chris Tucker being all greedy after he blew up after the Friday film is why he's in the predicament he's in now with his money. Don't use blame Cube for mistakes Chris Tucker made.


Also, DOC wasn't never technically signed with Death Row. For whatever reason, him and Dre were at odds, and Dre after leaving Death Row stated he wasn't ever going to work with him again (due to DOC stealing the Helter Skelter album name out of spite), but both always had an on again off again type of relationship. But I buy that DOC never seen paperwork which is again why it was easy for him to leave the Death Row camp and moved to ATL in '94.

 

[gluvnast]

Dr Dre gave a Rakim beat to Busta Rhymes also.


Lol the reason why Rakim and Dre bumped heads over creative differences was because Rakim wanted to rap about positive islamic conciousness over Dr Dre beats, while Dre wanted to change Rakim's image, and have him rap about bytches, guns, blunts, and a gangster lifestyle.

Rakim wasn't really an overly conscious MC. But that is indeed the truth. But at the same time, Rakim literally fell off, not lyrically but artistically. He was still rapping stagnant topics that were dope in 1987-90 but in the 00's and beyond wasn't relevant and won't captivate the current audience. That's why I say the blame falls on BOTH of them. Egos were too big and Rakim wanted to keep doing the same old shyt he been doing in the 80's when the times and climate long have changed and Dre was being a control freak like he always been.

 

[gluvnast]

I co-sign what homie wrote as far as published verifiable info. Some of the stuff appears to be inside info so I can't say one way or another if it's true or not. He may have made a mistake here and there but I don't think he's out right lying or has a motive behind what he posted for the info that may have been slightly inaccurate. You can go and do a search, I have been one of the main ones here posting the Ruthless/DR related interviews over the past few years. So I know what I'm talking about.

The Suge and Heller stuff he wrote was on point too. I had just got through saying that no one has ever proven to the public that heller has stolen money from anyone. All we have is Ice Cube's word for it which after seeing this movie aint worth a damn dime the way he rewrote history. Suge revolutionized the music industry, period! Yeah he's evil. lol News flash, THEY ARE ALL! He just promoted and marketed his while the other music execs hide theirs from the public, that's the only difference. Yall think Doug Morris, Jimmy Ivonne, Lyor Cohen, Tommy Motella, Clive Davis etc. are saints? FOH If you going to talk about Suge at least talk about the good while you do it.

The biggest misconception and actually the most accurate depiction in the film was Jerry Heller. The misconception was he stole from NWA and whatnot. The movie really gave Jerry Heller the benefit of the doubt. But with all that said, Heller was and still IS a snake that used NWA for his own advantage like most white Jews do. He didn't do anything illegal, but at the same time conned a bunch of streets kids into deals and contracts that were way over their heads and they signed on the dotted line without legal representation.

Suge was no different from Heller when dealing with contracts either, which was the REAL reason why the original group of Death Row members all left. Once Suge got locked up after Pac died, all the shyt that he was covering up began to get exposed. The person to thank for that was Afeni Shakur when she sued Suge for the money that was owed and to acquire the rights to Tupac's music. That's was then where everyone started to check their own books. Before it wasn't a big deal because Suge took care of them for anything and everything they needed so it wasn't a thought, but once everyone learned how much they SHOULD of been receiving that's when everyone started to leave Death Row.

 

[spliz]

Rakim wasn't really an overly conscious MC. But that is indeed the truth. But at the same time, Rakim literally fell off, not lyrically but artistically. He was still rapping stagnant topics that were dope in 1987-90 but in the 00's and beyond wasn't relevant and won't captivate the current audience. That's why I say the blame falls on BOTH of them. Egos were too big and Rakim wanted to keep doing the same old shyt he been doing in the 80's when the times and climate long have changed and Dre was being a control freak like he always been.

Nah. Dre was on some lazy shyt and wouldn't even show up to the studio alotta time. Makin excuses ect. All while tryna change Ra's image. I know this cause I know Ra personally. U don't sign a vet emcee like Rakim to try to tell him how to rap or what to rap about. Period. U can't treat a nikka like that like a new artist. Ra ain't perfect but Dre was on his lazy ass "Dre" shyt. Not sayin Ra had zero fault in the shyt. But he moved to Cali for Dre while Dre was mostly in his own world n shyt.

 

[gluvnast]

Nah. Dre was on some lazy shyt and wouldn't even show up to the studio alotta time. While still tryna change his image. Makin excuses ect. I know this cause I know Ra personally. U don't sign a vet emcee like Rakim to try to tell him how to rap or what to rap about. Period. U can't treat a nikka like that like a new artist. Ra ain't perfect but in the Dre situation it's more Dre bein lazy ass Dre.

Yea, I said that.. Dre was a LAZY executive, but Dre has his studio INSIDE his own home. He been known by literally everyone that he practically stay in the studio day in and day out. We been hearing about the so-called "Dre Vault" for more than a decade now. It wasn't the issue of not being at the studio, but him being lazy working with other artists.

But I AGREE, Dre is a control freak and he was trying Rakim precisely what he want to rap about, how he should sound spitting it and how it should be arranged lyrically. But at the same time, a vet like Rakim can and should listen, even check himself as to maybe he should learn to evolve as an artist. There was a REASON why Busta dissed him on the same beat that originally supposed to be for Rakim, "Legend of the Fall Offs". As I said before, you had two legends bumping heads due to ego. It's pretty much why Dre mostly like to work with new artists because he can have complete control over them.

 

[spliz]

Yea, I said that.. Dre was a LAZY executive, but Dre has his studio INSIDE his own home. He been known by literally everyone that he practically stay in the studio day in and day out. We been hearing about the so-called "Dre Vault" for more than a decade now. It wasn't the issue of not being at the studio, but him being lazy working with other artists.

But I AGREE, Dre is a control freak and he was trying Rakim precisely what he want to rap about, how he should sound spitting it and how it should be arranged lyrically. But at the same time, a vet like Rakim can and should listen, even check himself as to maybe he should learn to evolve as an artist. There was a REASON why Busta dissed him on the same beat that originally supposed to be for Rakim, "Legend of the Fall Offs". As I said before, you had two legends bumping heads due to ego. It's pretty much why Dre mostly like to work with new artists because he can have complete control over them.

Dre gets excited then gets bored. Most artists that Dre gets excited about end up failing. Dre will sign nikkas and just use them for "ghost" everything and burn em out. nikka was makin excuse for Rakim like "I gotta pick my kids up from school" n shyt when it was time to get in the studio. Me personally I don't even think the nikka got the passion for the music like that anymore. Well atleast not the actual making music part. This is the same shyt Pac used to say about the nikka. How he was makin like a couple beats a year n shyt and would get credit for other nikkas beats. Dre has done some fukk shyt in his lifetime believe that.

 

[Edub]

im no expert on the `LA scene, but Pac had a go anywhere pass in LA? didnt that nikka get got by a crip? didnt an associate of his get robbed of a deathrow chain? or are my timelines wrong?


andis it me but is this dude fetishisizhg he “which rapper gets an LA Pass gangsta life" a lil?




i was replying to dude speaking so highly of jerry like he was some white savior from 60’s hollywood film like To Kill A Mocking Bird, who just wanted the best for these poor hood nikkaz?


cold187um said evryone, like eversingle person, had a problem with jerry eventually. thats why eazy fired him. so i guess there was some truth to ice cubes problems. seems like the dude dont like cube for some reson. when cube to me as probably the realest out of all of them. not realest as in hardest, i know he ant no gangsta, but reales in being a man about his word and being worthy of respect. look at his family life, one bish and 4 kids form her p*ssy alone. putting them on. never hear no mess about them.

Cube was no more moral than anyone else...ask B Real of cypress hill how much integrity cube has....he may tell you a different story

 

[Kane]

I'm sure there's some truth in this but whoever wrote this obviously has a huge grudge against Ice Cube.

 

[Easy-E]

Extremely interesting read.

I figured the movie was skewed to Cube/Dre reality. But, I admit to believe in the tale of Hellar being a devil.

Suge did seem to be a demon with redeemable qualities, though.

 

[Mac Casper]

So Dr. Dre stole the masters at Ruthless and Death Row?

 

[Young/Nacho\Drawz]

Ice Cube wasn't a PRODUCER for Friday, he was at the most, aside from starring in the film, a co-writer... so what does HE have anything to do with Chris Tucker? See, this is why people need to stop listening to rumors and look at actual facts. Second of all, in regards of Chris Tucker being all greedy after he blew up after the Friday film is why he's in the predicament he's in now with his money. Don't use blame Cube for mistakes Chris Tucker made.


Also, DOC wasn't never technically signed with Death Row. For whatever reason, him and Dre were at odds, and Dre after leaving Death Row stated he wasn't ever going to work with him again (due to DOC stealing the Helter Skelter album name out of spite), but both always had an on again off again type of relationship. But I buy that DOC never seen paperwork which is again why it was easy for him to leave the Death Row camp and moved to ATL in '94.

It don't matter. All of the Friday's that came after the first are produced through Cube Vision. Therefore Cube has to pay to up in order to get Tucker on board. I'm not blaming Cube for paying Tucker pennies, no one knew what the film would turn out to be. I'm saying that since the film did blow up he should pay Tucker and all of the actors justly based off its success and in order to get Tucker back in the franchise.

The D.O.C. was never signed to him true. But so what? I'm talking about him complaining a few years ago, not way back in '94. He said he wasn't straight from rolling with Dre for over twenty years. Don't tell me that either of these artist could make millions off of someone and it's ok since they weren't signed to them. Dre wouldn't be the same Dre without the D.O.C. and Friday wouldn't be isn't ish without Tucker.

 

[krackdagawd]

Pac the GOAT

 

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

Nah. Dre was on some lazy shyt and wouldn't even show up to the studio alotta time. Makin excuses ect. All while tryna change Ra's image. I know this cause I know Ra personally. U don't sign a vet emcee like Rakim to try to tell him how to rap or what to rap about. Period. U can't treat a nikka like that like a new artist. Ra ain't perfect but Dre was on his lazy ass "Dre" shyt. Not sayin Ra had zero fault in the shyt. But he moved to Cali for Dre while Dre was mostly in his own world n shyt.

I can't imagine how stupid Rakim would sound putting out records about killing, robbing and mobbing. Just the thought of it sounds stupid.