The Powerful Nature of our music/ The destructive power of rap

[Hiphoplives4eva]

I'm not trying to invoke the non-existent atheist soul of @theworldismine13 so I'm not going to just talk shyt about rap and urban culture...


But I have a question about rap and if it can be helpful and black empowerment and social change.

Top 10 records usually contain at least 7 or 8 (sometimes 10) records that destroy our minds, and train our youth to stay in mindless state of ignorance. It makes it so that the generation of saying nikkas are actually ******s in training.

The Gawd Jay Z states not an exact quote....

Then you have rappers like Immoral Tech who hits the streets daily doing real shyt. Motivating young revolutionaries and pseudo revolutionaries through his music. Dropping videos, etc. More people listen to rappers like him than you think. WE don't think so because we measure everything on records sales and crime rates.

Can our music save us or at this point can it only destroy us? Deep inside I feel like throwing it in the bushes is not only admitting defeat but a way of pushing the knife all the way in yourself.




Can our music help spread messages for us and be a key motivating factor for us if we can control it???

Too many people just diss rap completely and ignore the underground messages that are basically the only ones dropping knowledge on a significant % of black youth.

Is it not weak as fukk to get rid of something just because your oppressors have twisted it to use against you.

This post is spot on. The problem is that black artists have AGAIN ceded control of the music industry to rich whites and jews. If more people thought independently, powerful uplifting music could most definitely make a comeback. But as long as rich NY Jews control whats considered "mainstream", hiphop will forever lose.

The best thing people can do is TURN OFF THE fukkING RADIO, and support your favorite artists. Its easier than ever with the internet. There is still a chance to save hiphop.

 

[Master Teacher]

they dont have to give to charity, im just pointing out that a lack of education effects how people use their money and how they lead and speak even when they are trying to do well, and jay-z and dr dre are examples of that



i think you are confusing anecdotal information with actual statistics,

here are the stats by race http://www.vanneman.umd.edu/socy441/trends/raceinc.html
http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/21/news/economy/wealth-gap-race/index.htm

so as you can see the notion that blacks are at the same level as asians is completely bogus, in terms of income and wealth asians are ahead, way ahead



sure but we havent and you are using the fact that a few black people make money from sports and entertainment as if we have hit the jackpot, when its really nothing compared to the money behind the camera and at the front office



what do you mean eat, what yearly salary are you talking about?

from what i see only those with rare talent or skill make real money



mos def, behind the scenes, and those jobs are dominated by whites



the record industry has not made black people rich, its made a few black people rich and a bunch of white people wealthy



im not sure what your point is, are you saying black people should or shouldnt open up clubs, stores etc? i dont understand



i think every individual should choose whatever the fuk they want, there is nothing wrong with being an athlete or entertainer, if that is what you love

my point is that that we need to shift our culture to focus more on academics because sports and entertainment arent cutting it, im not saying anything that is interfering with people that want to pursue sports and entertainment, in fact education would enhance people that went into sports and enteertainment and wuld give us more ways to get behind the scenes



black people have zero control over business in the hood and its a serious mistake to let other ethnic groups control the local business in your community, black people "let" asians and arabs in the hood because they cant say otherwise and black people dont have the financial network and capital to open up their own business



its a free country, people should do whatever the hell they want



and as the chart shows asians are way wealthier than blacks



im not telling anybody not to go into entertainment if that is what they love, what im saying is that music should be positive and be uplifting to black people and black culture and that isnt where the money is, the money is in having a highly educated community

Everything you saying is pointless

how many people do know that play sports seriously as way to make a living
how many people you know trying to make it in entertainment

I know one person who tried for the laker's practice squad but got injured, his peers pay overseas
he had been hooping is whole life, CAME FROM A WELL OFF FAMILY, who actually owned landrymats in the Hood
he went to an expensive private school. Now he just a got regular ass job not doing shyt really, trying to fukk with some real estate


Everybody I met in entertainnment I met, while I was working in studios, not people I grew up or went to school with

the fact is more black people do not like rely on this

all those statistics you have are baseless, like most statistics are, i go poll some statistics today that say otherwise

The black suburb community I live is vastly superior to the where the asian's live in the suburbs and majority arab communities
it just is, maybe because I moved away from the hood but not away from black people I can see it like that

Everything you saying are excuses,

most jobs in rap are dominated by lacks, the record label model of the past is outdated, but blacks ever succeeded at that on a corporate level
you can buy a fukking Pro Tools setup, take an online class on how t run that shyt, put an ad on craigslist and start getting customers tryinging
to record just that easy

You can read a book on Entertainment Business and learn how to make money off the game without going to school
this something can individual can do for HIMSELF/HERSELF

the arabs with the big money live in the same neighborhod where the whites, and the blacks with the big money live

I'm talking working class middle class folks, the black communities in the suburbs are superior, and also better than most the white cities
outside of the Upper Class

It would be nice to see the hood with all black own business, but to be honest most blacks with ambition go for something Higher Than That
its up to all the other average guys to get interested in other things other than owning barber shops and beauty salons.

Also Poverty is not the problem in the Hood
Crime is the problem
In the poor arab neighborhoods, shyt does not look like a war zone
same with the whites and asians
Even though a lot of the same problems exist there as well.
Just because your poor doesn't give you an excuse to not keep with the shyt you do have
my aunt still lives in the hood and it has worst as it ever been, she built her house from the ground up in the 60's
and its still looks brand new in the midst of RUIN, why can this old lady keep a nice house but full grown adult man can keep up a residence
It's a Mentality problem

Black people excel everyday, its up to every man to get on their horse
I can't shyt on the rap game when it has made black people wealthy, and has been an avenue for success

not all black people fukk with rap, I know a club owner whos black, but he's club is a white club, he refuses to play rap music
because he believes it fukked up black people.
But when he opened up a second club, and tried the same shyt, it didn't work, and he was losing money

Black people don't do nothing but rise, no matter how hard we get down, we always make it

all those statistics and all that shyt, they're just tools to use to not a hurry a qualified black man when he comes through the door in corporate america
its way for Bill O'Reily to Point the finger and say "I told you this ******s ain't shyt."

I see otherwise everyday, now don't get me ring, a lot nikkaz are lazy ass shyt and will never amount to shyt
but most people are that way regardless of race
How come is only the black man who gets lumped in with the most negative aspects of society

 

[GMOGMediaTV]

Once Hip Hop was sold to corporate interests it was a wrap. We don't own or control anything in the music or entertainment industry.

All we can do is create a new movement a new culture and music genre that we can call our own and keep it that way on a grass roots level while not letting corporate interests control what is ours.

 

[Blackking]

How come is only the black man who gets lumped in with the most negative aspects of society

that's by design. Unfortunately it's mainly the self (group) hating blacks that contribute to this the most. We only have our selves to blame for ignoring our successes and only focusing on the negative and forced feed propaganda.

 

[theworldismine13]

Once Hip Hop was sold to corporate interests it was a wrap. We don't own or control anything in the music or entertainment industry.

All we can do is create a new movement a new culture and music genre that we can call our own and keep it that way on a grass roots level while not letting corporate interests control what is ours.

You just hate black youth and black culture, I know a guy who made money from rap, why are you are hating?

 

[Blackking]

You just hate black youth and black culture, I know who I guy who made money from rap, why are you are hating?

lol

 

[theworldismine13]

Everything you saying is pointless

how many people do know that play sports seriously as way to make a living
how many people you know trying to make it in entertainment

I know one person who tried for the laker's practice squad but got injured, his peers pay overseas
he had been hooping is whole life, CAME FROM A WELL OFF FAMILY, who actually owned landrymats in the Hood
he went to an expensive private school. Now he just a got regular ass job not doing shyt really, trying to fukk with some real estate


Everybody I met in entertainnment I met, while I was working in studios, not people I grew up or went to school with

the fact is more black people do not like rely on this

all those statistics you have are baseless, like most statistics are, i go poll some statistics today that say otherwise

The black suburb community I live is vastly superior to the where the asian's live in the suburbs and majority arab communities
it just is, maybe because I moved away from the hood but not away from black people I can see it like that

Everything you saying are excuses,

most jobs in rap are dominated by lacks, the record label model of the past is outdated, but blacks ever succeeded at that on a corporate level
you can buy a fukking Pro Tools setup, take an online class on how t run that shyt, put an ad on craigslist and start getting customers tryinging
to record just that easy

You can read a book on Entertainment Business and learn how to make money off the game without going to school
this something can individual can do for HIMSELF/HERSELF

the arabs with the big money live in the same neighborhod where the whites, and the blacks with the big money live

I'm talking working class middle class folks, the black communities in the suburbs are superior, and also better than most the white cities
outside of the Upper Class

It would be nice to see the hood with all black own business, but to be honest most blacks with ambition go for something Higher Than That
its up to all the other average guys to get interested in other things other than owning barber shops and beauty salons.

Also Poverty is not the problem in the Hood
Crime is the problem
In the poor arab neighborhoods, shyt does not look like a war zone
same with the whites and asians
Even though a lot of the same problems exist there as well.
Just because your poor doesn't give you an excuse to not keep with the shyt you do have
my aunt still lives in the hood and it has worst as it ever been, she built her house from the ground up in the 60's
and its still looks brand new in the midst of RUIN, why can this old lady keep a nice house but full grown adult man can keep up a residence
It's a Mentality problem

Black people excel everyday, its up to every man to get on their horse
I can't shyt on the rap game when it has made black people wealthy, and has been an avenue for success

not all black people fukk with rap, I know a club owner whos black, but he's club is a white club, he refuses to play rap music
because he believes it fukked up black people.
But when he opened up a second club, and tried the same shyt, it didn't work, and he was losing money

Black people don't do nothing but rise, no matter how hard we get down, we always make it

all those statistics and all that shyt, they're just tools to use to not a hurry a qualified black man when he comes through the door in corporate america
its way for Bill O'Reily to Point the finger and say "I told you this ******s ain't shyt."

I see otherwise everyday, now don't get me ring, a lot nikkaz are lazy ass shyt and will never amount to shyt
but most people are that way regardless of race
How come is only the black man who gets lumped in with the most negative aspects of society

you asked me what lies you are spreading, and i showed you the stats that despite your friends and the people you know, who apparently are amazingly rich, asians make way more money and are way wealthier than black people

i believe in statistics and i think those numbers i showed are an accurate picture of the income and wealth of black people

im not hating on anybody, im just making suggestions as to how we can increase the income and wealth of black people, i dont see sports and music doing that, i think the money we as black people make from sports and music is chump change and a joke, it only seems like a lot because we come from the bottom

but i think increasing the level of education is the way to increase income and wealth, so im suggesting we shift our culture to make it more focused on academics

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Rap music is largely demonic and reinforces values of victmization, hopelessness, selfishness, disrespect for women/family/ones self while promoting murder, mayhem, and the love of money and demonic filth. Its no wonder that people who live by this brand of music are often failures.

Its so demonic, friends.

 

[Master Teacher]

you asked me what lies you are spreading, and i showed you the stats that despite your friends and the people you know, who apparently are amazingly rich, asians make way more money and are way wealthier than black people

i believe in statistics and i think those numbers i showed are an accurate picture of the income and wealth of black people

im not hating on anybody, im just making suggestions as to how we can increase the income and wealth of black people, i dont see sports and music doing that, i think the money we as black people make from sports and music is chump change and a joke, it only seems like a lot because we come from the bottom

but i think increasing the level of education is the way to increase income and wealth, so im suggesting we shift our culture to make it more focused on academics

you asked me what lies you are spreading, and i showed you the stats that despite your friends and the people you know, who apparently are amazingly rich, asians make way more money and are way wealthier than black people

i believe in statistics and i think those numbers i showed are an accurate picture of the income and wealth of black people

im not hating on anybody, im just making suggestions as to how we can increase the income and wealth of black people, i dont see sports and music doing that, i think the money we as black people make from sports and music is chump change and a joke, it only seems like a lot because we come from the bottom

but i think increasing the level of education is the way to increase income and wealth, so im suggesting we shift our culture to make it more focused on academics

I never said any of the shyt you're saying I did
I still haven't answered my question, where's the asian-american Oprah's, Bob Johnson's and Farrah Gray's if they so much better off
Where's the arab-american Bob Johnson,

thats all I'm saying, black people achieve at a high level in this country, regardless of your baseless statistics
that shyt is meaningless

I didn't say anyone was amazing rich

have a nice suburb community is some regular shyt

A lot of white suburbs are pretty fukking modest

your view on what rich is, is skewered

this asians and arabs aren't super rich compared to middle class black people thats just a fact

if you compare the top earners of all the minorities to the lowest class of black people of course its gonna
look skewered

but for every black ghetto there's a suburban opposite in every state in this country
that's why I question these statistics as not reflecting reality

 

[theworldismine13]

I never said any of the shyt you're saying I did
I still haven't answered my question, where's the asian-american Oprah's, Bob Johnson's and Farrah Gray's if they so much better off
Where's the arab-american Bob Johnson,

thats all I'm saying, black people achieve at a high level in this country, regardless of your baseless statistics
that shyt is meaningless

I didn't say anyone was amazing rich

have a nice suburb community is some regular shyt

A lot of white suburbs are pretty fukking modest

your view on what rich is, is skewered

this asians and arabs aren't super rich compared to middle class black people thats just a fact

if you compare the top earners of all the minorities to the lowest class of black people of course its gonna
look skewered

but for every black ghetto there's a suburban opposite in every state in this country
that's why I question these statistics as not reflecting reality

the "amazingly rich" was sarcasm, but i showed you the stats, if you dont believe in the stats then dont believe them, the point im making is that you cant measure wealth by a few black people that made it, you measure wealth by looking at the big picture, that is what the statistics do

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

how so? He has some of the best messages in rap and outside of rap he's a beast with ideas.

only here online have I heard that opinion... ignorant people don't even listen to him.... no one else says he's garbage. Even on his first couple albums when his flow was worse, he wasn't garbage.

He makes shytty, unlistenable music and he has one of the worst deliveries ever. Most of the people I know who have heard him (which is few) agree he sucks, and I'm in purist/ old school backpacker type circles mostly. I haven't listened to him since the weedplates that were Revolutionary vol.1 and 2 and don't plan on it.

 

[Master Teacher]

the "amazingly rich" was sarcasm, but i showed you the stats, if you dont believe in the stats then dont believe them, the point im making is that you cant measure wealth by a few black people that made it, you measure wealth by looking at the big picture, that is what the statistics do

Kill yourself man. Your weak minded sorry excuse as a man.
Look at the reality I brought you

Few people make it in life IN GENERAL

what is your idea of making it

the black communities of people who are making it are superior to the any other minority group in this country
I know because I've seen it with my own eyes everywhere I traveled in this country I see black people living well

The point of this thread was people were saying blacks need to stop being rappers and entertainers, pursue education
when you have to be educated to be successful at anything

Rap is a BUSINESS, so why does a black person rapping looked down upon from an asian person with a nail salon
the rap person is actually a better business than the nail salon and has creator potential, also offering you a better lifestyle

People downing the entertainment and sports because blacks excel at the shyt, thats the only reason
then you got jealous ass c00ns, trying shyt on somebody elses dreams because they have none of their own

If its working whats the problem, if asians can sell black people hair, why can't I sell them music
why is my product or business model inferior
or looked at as taking less intelligent.

thats the point I'm making

nobody says we need more arab doctors, they need to stop all trying to do liqour stores
when them arab kids graduated high school they don't go to college they go straight into them stores
and be in that shyt all day. It's not an easy life.

Most people you see in the stores, are family members, they give jobs too, the owners rarely be in that shyt
and if they do its because they're just starting out
them workers are not living in luxurious american dream lifestyle at all

are people do it BIG, thats why we're envied, we don't half step shyt when he Make it when make it big, and ANYTHING
we take over anything we do, because have no choice

I'm starting my own entertainment company, because its too much money out here for me not to get it
entertainment industry is like the food industry, its never going anywhere because people need it

It's nothing wrong with being an athlete or an entertainer, because you can make insane amount of money doing it
how can look down on that

Every Doctor is not created equal, you can get a half ass doctor just like you can get half ass rappers and music execs
or laywers, or whatever

People act like black doctors, lawyers, do not exist, my doctor and lawyer are both black

black unemployment is high, because nikkaz don't want jobs to be real
they would rather work on a hustle, I can't get mad at that, its better to spend some time doing something
that will change your lifestyle than going to dead end job when your just working so you can afford to go to work
all you do is live in a dead end cycle, thats not life

 

[theworldismine13]

Kill yourself man. Your weak minded sorry excuse as a man.
Look at the reality I brought you

Few people make it in life IN GENERAL

what is your idea of making it

the black communities of people who are making it are superior to the any other minority group in this country
I know because I've seen it with my own eyes everywhere I traveled in this country I see black people living well

The point of this thread was people were saying blacks need to stop being rappers and entertainers, pursue education
when you have to be educated to be successful at anything

Rap is a BUSINESS, so why does a black person rapping looked down upon from an asian person with a nail salon
the rap person is actually a better business than the nail salon and has creator potential, also offering you a better lifestyle

People downing the entertainment and sports because blacks excel at the shyt, thats the only reason
then you got jealous ass c00ns, trying shyt on somebody elses dreams because they have none of their own

If its working whats the problem, if asians can sell black people hair, why can't I sell them music
why is my product or business model inferior
or looked at as taking less intelligent.

thats the point I'm making

nobody says we need more arab doctors, they need to stop all trying to do liqour stores
when them arab kids graduated high school they don't go to college they go straight into them stores
and be in that shyt all day. It's not an easy life.

Most people you see in the stores, are family members, they give jobs too, the owners rarely be in that shyt
and if they do its because they're just starting out
them workers are not living in luxurious american dream lifestyle at all

are people do it BIG, thats why we're envied, we don't half step shyt when he Make it when make it big, and ANYTHING
we take over anything we do, because have no choice

I'm starting my own entertainment company, because its too much money out here for me not to get it
entertainment industry is like the food industry, its never going anywhere because people need it

It's nothing wrong with being an athlete or an entertainer, because you can make insane amount of money doing it
how can look down on that

Every Doctor is not created equal, you can get a half ass doctor just like you can get half ass rappers and music execs
or laywers, or whatever

People act like black doctors, lawyers, do not exist, my doctor and lawyer are both black

black unemployment is high, because nikkaz don't want jobs to be real
they would rather work on a hustle, I can't get mad at that, its better to spend some time doing something
that will change your lifestyle than going to dead end job when your just working so you can afford to go to work
all you do is live in a dead end cycle, thats not life

i hit you with the stats that showed that what you are saying is not true, if you dont believe the stats then dont believe them

 

[Blackking]

He makes shytty, unlistenable music and he has one of the worst deliveries ever. Most of the people I know who have heard him (which is few) agree he sucks, and I'm in purist/ old school backpacker type circles mostly. I haven't listened to him since the weedplates that were Revolutionary vol.1 and 2 and don't plan on it.

delivery has gotten better with each album and mix tape. .... but realistically his style isn't even the point of his music.

 

[Master Teacher]

i hit you with the stats that showed that what you are saying is not true, if you dont believe the stats then dont believe them

your entire missing the point I never dismissed your stats, your stats don't mean shyt to me I'm not talking about

those stats don't reflect the success of prospering black middle and upper class
also we succeed in areas where other minorities are nowhere to be found