The Powerful Nature of our music/ The destructive power of rap

[Blackking]

I'm not trying to invoke the non-existent atheist soul of @theworldismine13 so I'm not going to just talk shyt about rap and urban culture...


But I have a question about rap and if it can be helpful and black empowerment and social change.

Top 10 records usually contain at least 7 or 8 (sometimes 10) records that destroy our minds, and train our youth to stay in mindless state of ignorance. It makes it so that the generation of saying nikkas are actually ******s in training.

The Gawd Jay Z states

"yall nikkas got me really confused out there. I make Big Pimpin - one of those - yall hail me as the greatest . I make some though provoking shyt yall question if I fell off... C'mon I go that ignorant shyt you need, fukk shyt ass bithc trick plus weed/ i'm only trying to give you what you want. nikka fukk shytbytch, you like it don't front.

not an exact quote....

Then you have rappers like Immoral Tech who hits the streets daily doing real shyt. Motivating young revolutionaries and pseudo revolutionaries through his music. Dropping videos, etc. More people listen to rappers like him than you think. WE don't think so because we measure everything on records sales and crime rates.

Can our music save us or at this point can it only destroy us? Deep inside I feel like throwing it in the bushes is not only admitting defeat but a way of pushing the knife all the way in yourself.

1739, an Angolan Slave lead 20 slaves in a revolt in South Carolina... They marched to each plantation on the strip killing the slave owners and their families expect one guy


They didn't kill the one guy because I guess he was always' nice to his slaves' (metaphorically this is what we always do)

Anyway, they marched along and collected 100 other slaves along the way and they were beating drums and motivated by the music. They eventually battled it out and lost... Stone Rebellion led to the banning of Drums (found out that the Africans used the drums to communication across plantations and to spread messages) : Outcome was that blacks were banned from reading, learning to read, playing drums, playing music, or getting together in groups (we still are - check out our majority black schools, Contielpro, and things the government has done to us 1800's - 2013) .

Can our music help spread messages for us and be a key motivating factor for us if we can control it???

Too many people just diss rap completely and ignore the underground messages that are basically the only ones dropping knowledge on a significant % of black youth.

Is it not weak as fukk to get rid of something just because your oppressors have twisted it to use against you.

 

[Chris.B]

I can't blame rap music for the ills of the black community but it has a significant impact.

 

[88m3]

So the Regan's were right?

 

[Blackking]

stono

 

[LordTaskForce]

Rap only has a negative impact because we allow it to. Its all entertainment, like movies, tv...the problem is that our culture thinks thats how things really are/or are supposed to be after the song cuts off.

 

[PhonZhi]

rap is the #1 reason why us blacks are stuck where we are.

 

[Master Teacher]

rap has provided an outlet for young black males to be successful
the white media always try to paint the these were good at or are working for us, has some how not good enough or an easy way out
even got c00n Obama talking about we need more doctors and less rappers
why when Jay-Z can buy a hospital

The negative street music you talking about isn't even popular anymore
also the hood never banged commercial rap or underground rap, he always banged the local hood shyt
I'm talking about in the real hood not rap hoods, the real street music is fukking terrible anyways and those type of rappers never blew up in the first place

Nobody telling the arabs stop opening liqour stores we need more arab doctors
nobody telling the hindu's to stop driving cabs, or the asians to stop doing nail salons

Entertainment is a powerful business, the belittle it because it's a mental trick to affect your self esteem
when in truth they envy the lifestyles of the young rappers

However, there has to be a more black power base in the entertainment realm breeding black talent and ownership
of the art

 

[Family Man]

Here's some perspective on the topic from brother Wise Intelligent

 

[NubianVitruvian]

Sometimes it's the blind leading the blind. The listeners need to learn to read between the lines.

I had my time when I had to stop listening to rap cause I held myself to their standards. But as Yeezy says " there's leaders and there's followers, I'd rather be a dikk than a follower"

Not everyone has the self consciousness I do. And not every rapper is a drug dealer, thats just what sells. That's the problem. There is money to be made keeping people poor, sick and in war. Rap is a symptom of our fukked up society. Always blame the people at the top first.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

All I know is that immortal technique is trash.

rap has provided an outlet for young black males to be successful
the white media always try to paint the these were good at or are working for us, has some how not good enough or an easy way out
even got c00n Obama talking about we need more doctors and less rappers
why when Jay-Z can buy a hospital

The negative street music you talking about isn't even popular anymore
also the hood never banged commercial rap or underground rap, he always banged the local hood shyt
I'm talking about in the real hood not rap hoods, the real street music is fukking terrible anyways and those type of rappers never blew up in the first place

Nobody telling the arabs stop opening liqour stores we need more arab doctors
nobody telling the hindu's to stop driving cabs, or the asians to stop doing nail salons

Entertainment is a powerful business, the belittle it because it's a mental trick to affect your self esteem
when in truth they envy the lifestyles of the young rappers

However, there has to be a more black power base in the entertainment realm breeding black talent and ownership
of the art

Jay Z can buy a hospital, true, but he's not going to.

arabs, indians, and asians leave behind wealth and safety nets for their children. indian and asian children are taught from an early age that education is everything, if someone is educated, wealth will naturally come. there's a major difference.

why should black kids be forced to believe that the only way they can be successful in America is by entertaining others? Why should music and sports be their only avenues to success?

people belittle hip-hop culture because it's garbage. back in the day it was different because the artists defined the culture, now it's the industry that defines it.

 

[Benny P]

I always believed that Hip-Hop was a self-fulfilling prophecy. It started out describing the ills of the community and then it became a part of the cycle whereby the younger generation strived to live the lives that rappers were originally describing.

That being said. I believe it is a factor, but so is reality tv, violent movies, and surreal video games. They add fuel to the fire. But at bottom I believe the American culture was birthed by violent, rebellious individuals. It's difficult for me to blame the media that our culture produces especially when all it takes is a press of a button or a refusal not to consume it. I love Hip-Hop in all its diversity. It's hard for me to blame rappers for the incredibly decrepit conditions of Detroit. Or any other inner cities of America.

*Goes back to bumpin' Rozay*

 

[Blackking]

All I know is that immortal technique is trash.

how so?? Musically - that's debatable... otherwise is not debatable.

Jay Z can buy a hospital, true, but he's not going to.

arabs, indians, and asians leave behind wealth and safety nets for their children. indian and asian children are taught from an early age that education is everything, if someone is educated, wealth will naturally come. there's a major difference.

why should black kids be forced to believe that the only way they can be successful in America is by entertaining others? Why should music and sports be their only avenues to success?

people belittle hip-hop culture because it's garbage. back in the day it was different because the artists defined the culture, now it's the industry that defines it.

The industry defines the mainstream music, and artist define the culture, but don't create the culture... the mainstream is a caricature of social situations already prevalent. That's like saying Jeezy put owns ships and transportation vehicles that ships drugs and guns from overseas and then he invested in a prison.


Also, black kids aren't forced to believe anything. I used to be a black kid.... I know you being Indian some how gives you deeper inside on the black experience, - but as a kid I wanted to be computer engineer... I was 16 when I was accepted by MSU for computer science - still a kid. Sports and music aren't what black kids feel are the only avenues - they clearly see people (including blacks) doing other things... but in a depressing environment with a fukked family life, in a nation that always discusses your destruction - some black kids decide that those things are out of their grasp.

Also, I wasn't the smartest kid in my neighborhood by far.. not even close. The intellect in the black community is largely untapped - Not nonexistent.
When it's tapped, the person is successful, when its misguided it's not successful. The fact that your even bring up the Indians or Asians that immigrated here with focus and businesses, less stigmatization, less American fukked social history directed at them, less of everything that destroys a mind, with there original culture and customs and values intact- clearly shows your motivation behind that and you're a fool if you think someone is going to by that BS and play those games. moving on because in the slums of India (have you been there) you something different than what you see from some Indian family from a higher caste coming here and using tax breaks to open up shop.

I guess we will pretend that there aren't cultures that listen to hip hop and are still successful. I'm not sure why it's not obvious why when a urban black boy or some hood rat listens to mainstream hip hop it would have a different affect. hip hop makes billions..... Obviously, the mental destruction of our community entertains the world.

Nealy all of the top rappers who make party music and ignorant shyt - say that they would be willing to make other shyt if it sold... they know that the message is ignorant.. but the industry isn't designed like that.[/quote]

 

[Master Teacher]

All I know is that immortal technique is trash.



Jay Z can buy a hospital, true, but he's not going to.

arabs, indians, and asians leave behind wealth and safety nets for their children. indian and asian children are taught from an early age that education is everything, if someone is educated, wealth will naturally come. there's a major difference.

why should black kids be forced to believe that the only way they can be successful in America is by entertaining others? Why should music and sports be their only avenues to success?

people belittle hip-hop culture because it's garbage. back in the day it was different because the artists defined the culture, now it's the industry that defines it.

Most arabs, indians, and asians are not so well off than blacks

If I got to the most upper class neighborhoods in this country I guarantee there's more black people living there than any of them

black kids aren't force to believe anything, your forcing yourself because your allowing someone to talk down to making you believe thats all black people do.

Jay-Z can buy a hospital, but he doesn't need too, He trying to get to a BILLION let that man cook, trying to save the world will make you go broke
but imagine if gets mutli-billions the good he can do

Somebody just put up post showing the young black kids succeeding in all walks of life
most black people are not trying to be rappers
you believing racist rhetoric

them arabs in the corner stores WISH THEY COULD BE RAPPERS
the indians wish their mundane life was comparable to way the nikkaz is live

We make the best out of the worst situations we find a way to shine no matter what, thats what they envy about us
we always enjoy all yourselves no matter where we at or what we're doing, we find a way.

Puff Daddy went to an elite boarding school where he was only the black person
so did Dame Dash

Being a rapper is better option for kids in the Ghetto than School
have you seen the schools these lil nikkaz go to, THEY LOOK LIKE PRISONS
I'd tell a young nikka to drop out get a GED and go to community college instead of High School in the Ghetto, its a waste of time
and its an environment detrimental to your mind

These immigrants work hard, but truth in told, they work more than they enjoy the fruits of their labor goes for the arabs too, unless your the top dawg in the family

If your stuck in a environment where all you around is ignorance, you have to change that for yourself, abandon your old friends, abandon the environment you in
and go somewhere else
black people succeed everywhere and all walks of life, you believing in ghost stories

 

[MostReal]

@Master Teacher breh we don't own much of anything though

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I always believed that Hip-Hop was a self-fulfilling prophecy. It started out describing the ills of the community and then it became a part of the cycle whereby the younger generation strived to live the lives that rappers were originally describing.

That being said. I believe it is a factor, but so is reality tv, violent movies, and surreal video games. They add fuel to the fire. But at bottom I believe the American culture was birthed by violent, rebellious individuals. It's difficult for me to blame the media that our culture produces especially when all it takes is a press of a button or a refusal not to consume it. I love Hip-Hop in all its diversity. It's hard for me to blame rappers for the incredibly decrepit conditions of Detroit. Or any other inner cities of America.

*Goes back to bumpin' Rozay*

I don't even think it's the 'street' element of hip-hop that's the problem, hip-hop used to be street and introspective at the same time. the street life was put on display for the listening audience, as opposed to now where it's outright glorified with nothing of worth to be found underneath the filth.

white and asian kids, even those who may have grown up in "street environments" have the values that were instilled in them by their parents to fall back on. that's why they can indulge in the decadence of American culture that you're talking about and still come out OK a lot of the time. Black kids start out at a clear disadvantage from the start, too many of them are being indirectly raised by these clown ass rappers instead of their parents and they sure as hell aren't being taught anything of value at school so the cycle will continue.

how so?? Musically - that's debatable... otherwise is not debatable.


The industry defines the mainstream music, and artist define the culture, but don't create the culture... the mainstream is a caricature of social situations already prevalent. That's like saying Jeezy put owns ships and transportation vehicles that ships drugs and guns from overseas and then he invested in a prison.


Also, black kids aren't forced to believe anything. I used to be a black kid.... I know you being Indian some how gives you deeper inside on the black experience, - but as a kid I wanted to be computer engineer... I was 16 when I was accepted by MSU for computer science - still a kid. Sports and music aren't what black kids feel are the only avenues - they clearly see people (including blacks) doing other things... but in a depressing environment with a fukked family life, in a nation that always discusses your destruction - some black kids decide that those things are out of their grasp.

Also, I wasn't the smartest kid in my neighborhood by far.. not even close. The intellect in the black community is largely untapped - Not nonexistent.
When it's tapped, the person is successful, when its misguided it's not successful. The fact that your even bring up the Indians or Asians that immigrated here with focus and businesses, less stigmatization, less American fukked social history directed at them, less of everything that destroys a mind, with there original culture and customs and values intact- clearly shows your motivation behind that and you're a fool if you think someone is going to by that BS and play those games. moving on because in the slums of India (have you been there) you something different than what you see from some Indian family from a higher caste coming here and using tax breaks to open up shop.

I guess we will pretend that there aren't cultures that listen to hip hop and are still successful. I'm not sure why it's not obvious why when a urban black boy or some hood rat listens to mainstream hip hop it would have a different affect. hip hop makes billions..... Obviously, the mental destruction of our community entertains the world.

Nealy all of the top rappers who make party music and ignorant shyt - say that they would be willing to make other shyt if it sold... they know that the message is ignorant.. but the industry isn't designed like that.

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Here's a real life example - my first friend ever was black - Jamaican. We went to the same pre-school but he didn't live in my neighborhood, he lived not too far away but in a better area. His parents were divorced, but his pops was a stable dude and always in his life....his moms was a no-nonsense type, she wouldn't let him come and chill in my neighborhood like that because she knew the kind of people that were around....once we were in his crib playing Grand Turismo for PS1 all day and his moms came into the living room, opened up the PS1, broke the disc in half, and politely told me that I had to go home I went to his crib once smelling like weed and she wouldn't allow me back there for a year. The kids on my block didn't like him because he was a "nerd ass nikka." We were friends throughout high school but while I was getting caught up in all the garbage that was around me, he was doing his thing in school...fast forward to now dude is a successful attorney. You don't think his up-bringing had anything to do with that? We both listened to rap, we both played the same video games, we both liked the same movies....so what was the difference?

I'm not disagreeing with anything you said about untapped intellect in the black community, but you may be an exception as far as how you thought when you were younger. I don't know where you're from breh, but where I'm from, nobody was running around talking about "I wanna be an engineer." I don't have to be black to see that your case is an outlier. That's a great story though and I salute you for it. If more black kids were like my friend and were raised in households that taught them how to separate bullshyt entertainment from what's real then there would be way more progress in those communities...but until then, this present day hip-hop "culture" is doing more harm than good. I don't see any redeeming qualities in it at all.

I'm not saying that the blame completely at the feet of rappers and hip-hop personalities but those people shouldn't be looked upon as models of success, IMO. A black kid shouldn't be trying to be the next Jay-Z or Lebron james, he should try to be the next black doctor, lawyer, engineer (like you), or business owner. It's not all about money.