The Phoenix Suns have fired coach Mike Budenholzer. Phoenix is now paying three coaches and don’t have one

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It's crazy to me to see people talk about the Suns pre Ishiba like the glory days or something lol

Like they weren't known for being one of the cheapest teams in the league that nobody wanted to play for and a Barkley punchline for old stale nachos. Like Carolina & Tepper, Ishiba's the best thing for them if he can get competent people in and keep his hands off. Who wouldn't have traded for KD after that Bucks series, it just didn't work out

Two wrongs don't make a right.
 

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He needs to demand a trade this offseason

fukk the one team bullshyt. Team is cooked once they get rid of KD and Beal

They gonna get back shytty contracts and late round picks for KD. Every team knows they have to offload him and will low ball them

Beal gonna have to be bought out for 100 million

That’s on top of the salaries they paying for 3 coaches that are on the couch now
Deplorable management of assets :scust:
This is worthy of incarceration:picard:
 

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Welcome to New Orleans, where the Playa's Play :mjcry:

We bout to hire Joe fukking Dumars

Where the fukk is Jordan when you need him

Nobody expects New Orleans to do shyt tho

Phoenix has to have the worse situation in the league

Paying multiple coaches
Trash roster
Unmovable pieces
No draft picks
 

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KD is no different than Tim Duncan/Kareem who only wanted to work hard, hoop, speak here and there when they felt it was needed, and then go home. The difference is Kareem had Oscar then later Magic/Pat Riley to lead while TD Pop/Spurs organization and DRob his rookie season doing the leading. What do they look like if it was on them?

The Nets failed because of Covid/injuries, the Suns failed because of injuries and bad trades (trading for no trade clause Beal and then swapping Ayton for no defense Nurkic),and the Thunder failed because of youth plus playing alongside an even lower IQ but more athletic Russ than the one we see today who thought he was just as good, if not better than KD. Where did he actually show bad leadership?
Loud =/=leadership. Spurs org and DRobs leadership amounted to yearly chokejobs before Duncan arrived. Duncan allowed Pop to be Pop. He took his shyt which made other players have to fall in line. He led by example and with his words when needed. He sacrificed his numbers and accolades for the good of the team.

That is in no way comparable to a guy that has been outwardly unhappy in 3 straight spots that were all of his choosing or shytting on former teammates from burner accounts. Duncan never needed a pep talk about how Jordan played within an offense in the middle of a series that his team trailed and ultimately faced elimination in because he was pouting about isos and resisting the only offense he ever won anything within (that also won a couple times without him and actually ran him out of OKC in embarrassing fashion).
 

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Loud =/=leadership. Spurs org and DRobs leadership amounted to yearly chokejobs before Duncan arrived. Duncan allowed Pop to be Pop. He took his shyt which made other players have to fall in line. He led by example and with his words when needed. He sacrificed his numbers and accolades for the good of the team.

That is in no way comparable to a guy that has been outwardly unhappy in 3 straight spots that were all of his choosing or shytting on former teammates from burner accounts. Duncan never needed a pep talk about how Jordan played within an offense in the middle of a series that his team trailed and ultimately faced elimination in because he was pouting about isos and resisting the only offense he ever won anything within (that also won a couple times without him and actually ran him out of OKC in embarrassing fashion).
Come on this is nonsense. Your argument basically amounts to Duncan was on great teams that one so he was a leader with no actual evidence that he was a better leader or team player. Tony Parker literally said Duncan didn’t speak to him his rookie year while KD takes young guys under his wing. Fans need to stop projecting traits on to people because of results without any actual facts to point to. Tim Duncan won because the Spurs organization built around him. That same Tim Duncan was about to leave for Orlando because he was tired of getting his face kicked in by the Lakers. This is like people forgetting Bron originally didn’t like Spoelstra and then went to Cleveland and said fukk this coach and didn’t exactly vibe with Vogel. It’s just excused because he won in all of those places because of team construction. If Harden and Kyrie don’t go down this entire line of thought doesn’t exist.

Kevin Durant didn’t hire back to back coaches that got fired because superstars were sick of them (Vogel and Bud). Last I checked no one has been knocking down the door for Steve Nash.
 

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Come on this is nonsense. Your argument basically amounts to Duncan was on great teams that one so he was a leader with no actual evidence that he was a better leader or team player. Tony Parker literally said Duncan didn’t speak to him his rookie year while KD takes young guys under his wing. Fans need to stop projecting traits on to people because of results without any actual facts to point to. Tim Duncan won because the Spurs organization built around him. That same Tim Duncan was about to leave for Orlando because he was tired of getting his face kicked in by the Lakers. This is like people forgetting Bron originally didn’t like Spoelstra and then went to Cleveland and said fukk this coach and didn’t exactly vibe with Vogel. It’s just excused because he won in all of those places because of team construction. If Harden and Kyrie don’t go down this entire line of thought doesn’t exist.

Kevin Durant didn’t hire back to back coaches that got fired because superstars were sick of them (Vogel and Bud). Last I checked no one has been knocking down the door for Steve Nash.
I get it...you like KDs jumper. There is no comparing these two people with regards to leadership...its not a discussion. The Spurs are the Spurs as we know them because of Tim. People stay trying to give all this credit to the org and players around him and now questioning his leadership because he wasnt performative. nikka swept prime Shaq, young Kobe and Rice out the Forum without one teammate avg more that 14 ppg in year 2 and folks stay talking about the org and players around him. KD has played with waaaay more talent and has had his pick of teammates and coaches yet when it keeps ending ugly its always somebody else's fault.
 
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