The People Vs. O.J. Simpson: American Crime Story
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Just like every week, gonna watch the whole replay, all of it.
I take back every single word of hate I dropped on this show after my first impression.
JohnnyDaGawd
American Crime Story: Did the Real Mark Fuhrman Own a Nazi Medal?
After five episodes a clear pattern has emerged: The People v. O.J. Simpson loves leaving viewers with a shock. This week’s episode, “The Race Card,” was no exception. As tensions on the prosecution team mounted around the credibility of LAPD detective Mark Fuhrman,Sarah Paulson’s Marcia Clark scoffs, “What’s so difficult? He’s just a cop on a stand.” But the other shoe drops immediately as the episode closes with a shot of Fuhrman actor Steven Pasquale standing in front of a display cabinet containing, among other World War II memorabilia, a Nazi medal. So did the real Fuhrman actually own that medal? There were definitely allegations that he did.
According to a 1995 LA Times report, deputy district attorney, Lucienne Coleman, a “17-year veteran of the office and former head of its sex crimes division” went on record about the rumors that “Fuhrman had committed an act of anti-Semitic vandalism and had boasted of an intimate relationship with Nicole Brown Simpson.” Coleman claimed that Fuhrman had painted the locker of a fellow officer with swastikas because that detective had “recently married a Jewish woman” and accused Fuhrman of walking “around on weekends wearing Nazi paraphernalia.” Coleman’s statements were not corroborated by the other officers and district attorneys she named in her claims and even through she brought them to Marcia Clark before the trial, a prosecution source dismissed the allegations as “multiple hearsay, really just gossip.”
But gossip or no, the question of Nazi memorabilia did become part of the case. According toCNN’s transcription of a 1995 CourtTV account, Judge Lance Ito “refused to let the defense see papers linked to allegations Fuhrman had Nazi paraphernalia at his desk.” And in 1996—well after the “not guilty” verdict had been read—Johnnie Cochran told The San Francisco Chronicle:
Darden also knew that Fuhrman was a bad guy. He knew he collected Nazi memorabilia; he knew his past record. I went over to him at the trial because I had respect for him, and I said don’t, as a black man, take Fuhrman (as a witness); you’ll be used. After all, I didn’t question Fuhrman -- I had Bailey do it. Well, Chris read all kinds of things into that, but I wanted to help him.
So while there was never concrete evidence that Fuhrman owned such a medal, he was tried in the court of public opinion and found guilty. In a lengthy 1995 stand-up bit dedicated to the Simpson trial, comedian Dana Carvey adopted a thick German accent, and, throwing his hand up in a Nazi salute, offered up the nickname Mark “Der Fuhrman.”
Obviously, it wasn’t just the allegations of anti-Semitism that dogged Fuhrman and discredited his trial. As the FX series lays out, before Fuhrman even took the stand, his testimony was undermined by Jeffrey Toobin’s article in the The New Yorker. The piece—titled “An Incendiary Defense”—contains a well-researched dive into Fuhrman’s mental history, his previous attempts to quit the force, and his “disgust” with minority criminals. Toobin published damning quotes from Fuhrman to his psychiatrist like “those people disgust me, and the public puts up with it” and “that job has damaged me mentally. I can’t even go anywhere without a gun. I have this urge to kill people that upset me.”
Toobin refers to Fuhrman as a “racist cop” something the defense was eager to double down on in court. As future episodes will make clear, Fuhrman probably should never have taken the stand, but in a book he published after trial, Murder in Brentwood, Fuhrman wrote, “I apologize for the pain I caused with my insensitive words. However, one thing I will not apologize for is my policework on the Simpson case. I did a good job; I did nothing wrong.”
This complicated portrait of a man is one American Crime Story tries to paint all sides of. Despite the fact that the show presents the Nazi medal as truth rather than allegation, it also doesn’t imply that Fuhrman planted that bloody glove. According to the FX series, Fuhrman both owned a Nazi medal and came by the glove honestly which is just part and parcel of the morally knotty drama American Crime Story seems interested in telling.
After five episodes a clear pattern has emerged: The People v. O.J. Simpson loves leaving viewers with a shock. This week’s episode, “The Race Card,” was no exception. As tensions on the prosecution team mounted around the credibility of LAPD detective Mark Fuhrman,Sarah Paulson’s Marcia Clark scoffs, “What’s so difficult? He’s just a cop on a stand.” But the other shoe drops immediately as the episode closes with a shot of Fuhrman actor Steven Pasquale standing in front of a display cabinet containing, among other World War II memorabilia, a Nazi medal. So did the real Fuhrman actually own that medal? There were definitely allegations that he did.
According to a 1995 LA Times report, deputy district attorney, Lucienne Coleman, a “17-year veteran of the office and former head of its sex crimes division” went on record about the rumors that “Fuhrman had committed an act of anti-Semitic vandalism and had boasted of an intimate relationship with Nicole Brown Simpson.” Coleman claimed that Fuhrman had painted the locker of a fellow officer with swastikas because that detective had “recently married a Jewish woman” and accused Fuhrman of walking “around on weekends wearing Nazi paraphernalia.” Coleman’s statements were not corroborated by the other officers and district attorneys she named in her claims and even through she brought them to Marcia Clark before the trial, a prosecution source dismissed the allegations as “multiple hearsay, really just gossip.”
But gossip or no, the question of Nazi memorabilia did become part of the case. According toCNN’s transcription of a 1995 CourtTV account, Judge Lance Ito “refused to let the defense see papers linked to allegations Fuhrman had Nazi paraphernalia at his desk.” And in 1996—well after the “not guilty” verdict had been read—Johnnie Cochran told The San Francisco Chronicle:
Darden also knew that Fuhrman was a bad guy. He knew he collected Nazi memorabilia; he knew his past record. I went over to him at the trial because I had respect for him, and I said don’t, as a black man, take Fuhrman (as a witness); you’ll be used. After all, I didn’t question Fuhrman -- I had Bailey do it. Well, Chris read all kinds of things into that, but I wanted to help him.
So while there was never concrete evidence that Fuhrman owned such a medal, he was tried in the court of public opinion and found guilty. In a lengthy 1995 stand-up bit dedicated to the Simpson trial, comedian Dana Carvey adopted a thick German accent, and, throwing his hand up in a Nazi salute, offered up the nickname Mark “Der Fuhrman.”
Obviously, it wasn’t just the allegations of anti-Semitism that dogged Fuhrman and discredited his trial. As the FX series lays out, before Fuhrman even took the stand, his testimony was undermined by Jeffrey Toobin’s article in the The New Yorker. The piece—titled “An Incendiary Defense”—contains a well-researched dive into Fuhrman’s mental history, his previous attempts to quit the force, and his “disgust” with minority criminals. Toobin published damning quotes from Fuhrman to his psychiatrist like “those people disgust me, and the public puts up with it” and “that job has damaged me mentally. I can’t even go anywhere without a gun. I have this urge to kill people that upset me.”
Toobin refers to Fuhrman as a “racist cop” something the defense was eager to double down on in court. As future episodes will make clear, Fuhrman probably should never have taken the stand, but in a book he published after trial, Murder in Brentwood, Fuhrman wrote, “I apologize for the pain I caused with my insensitive words. However, one thing I will not apologize for is my policework on the Simpson case. I did a good job; I did nothing wrong.”
This complicated portrait of a man is one American Crime Story tries to paint all sides of. Despite the fact that the show presents the Nazi medal as truth rather than allegation, it also doesn’t imply that Fuhrman planted that bloody glove. According to the FX series, Fuhrman both owned a Nazi medal and came by the glove honestly which is just part and parcel of the morally knotty drama American Crime Story seems interested in telling.
Tony D'Amato
It's all about the inches
I want them to show Johnnie getting pulled over after every cop knew who he was. U know Prime JC had them c@cs shook. Especially after the OJ trial 
Tony D'Amato
It's all about the inches
Winter is coming breh. HBO bout to feast
@Frank Sabotka bike
this thread is jumpin....this show must be piff Ima check it out
El Poyo Loco
Akrassikauda = Black Scorpion
Bout to
Bailey roasting him was the best move of the trail JC knew if Lee did it white people would really take notice because if JC did it himself it would've been seen as more of the same. Bailey surprised everyone who thought the old man didn't have it no more.
I want them to show Johnnie getting pulled over after every cop knew who he was. U know Prime JC had them c@cs shook. Especially after the OJ trial
that was shown tonight
This show is so damned good
El Poyo Loco
Akrassikauda = Black Scorpion
I hope next week they really delve into the fukkery with Fuhrman that dragged Judge Ito wife into it and made him cry in court.
For those who don't know that really did happen
For those who don't know that really did happen
Tony D'Amato
It's all about the inches
Ito was really happy about Arsenio sending him a pic 