The Other Slavery

[thekingsmen]

well like i said, then dont reform it if it can't be reformed, the stuff im saying is actually system neutral, it would apply to any system anywhere on the planet

are you talking about? Neutral...what system are you speaking of..it's not Capitalism you speak of.




that is why im so dismissive of diatribes of "the system", its not that i disagree with the criticism, its just i think you have to get beyond that





the system is a secondary issue, what is important is for black people to have a culture based on academics and based on personal responsibility and community responsibility, as long as you have that black people will thrive regardless of the system,

Ummm so you are ignoring the whole problem and this is why I'm not taking you serious.





well to me the obvious solution to that is for black people to also become capitalist





and im all for reforming the justice system and police but i dont think you should sacrifice personal responsibility or community responsibility

You live in a dream world. Dune maybe.




what was this misdemeanor that was pushed to a felony? was it another crime against another black person? was it doing harm to the black community? are you suggesting that black people should acquiesce to criminals in the community?

Read the book by Mrs. Alexander and you will find your answer.



ross was the conduit that brought the drugs into a community, he is just as responsible for the drugs coming in as the people that sold him the drugs, and he willingly took the drugs under his own free will and he willingly participated in the prison industrial complex, he selfishly put his own materiel wants ahead of the needs of the community.

You continue to think Ross was some big wig in the Drug Network...

Former LA Police Officer Mike Ruppert Confronts CIA Director John Deutch on Drug Trafficking - YouTube



ross was an individual that participated in the destruction of his own community, even he will tell you that.

Yes no one is disagreeing with you here but if the drugs never were placed there....the problem wouldn't exist. You ignore that.



well actually it was traitors in the community that destroyed BPP and other movements, and the key to future movement working is changing black culture to focus on the principles and culture of personal and community responsibility

Traitors were one aspect to the complex program called COINTELPRO.



and people like ricky ross, and people going around promoting chief keef and lil mouse are just as guilty as traitors of black power movements, imo anyways

What are you talking about?
...the real Ricky Ross isn't promoting these people.



that's exactly correct, we are on our own, the sooner you get that the better and that is why black people should not tolerate buffoonery, victimality and criminality in the community

all that is going on in the community now..and it's accepted.



a lot of this slavery= jail stuff is really left wing, liberal mumbo jumbo that wants to define the existence of the black race as merely victims and a lot of this victim ideology as just as dangerous and just as restrictive as racism

You truly need to pick up the book b/c unlike Mrs Alexander, you don't have anything as far as proof of what is going on in the prison system.



like i said, my ideas are system neutral, it will work no matter what system you are working under.

It's not working in the real world b.

 

[theworldismine13]

are you talking about? Neutral...what system are you speaking of..it's not Capitalism you speak of.

its not the name of a system, im just saying what i am saying applies to whatever system you are talking about whether its capitalism or whatever

and im also saying even if you had a fair justice system it wouldn't make a lot of difference, you can only have a prosperous community if its academically oriented and it has personal and community responsibility

You continue to think Ross was some big wig in the Drug Network...

Former LA Police Officer Mike Ruppert Confronts CIA Director John Deutch on Drug Trafficking - YouTube

You continue to think Ross was some big wig in the Drug Network...

it doesnt matter whether he was just a street corner drug dealer or a big time distributer, he is still personally responsible for his actions and he still willingly participated in the prison industrial complex and he failed to be a responsible community member

and people like him are responsible for their part in destroying the black community, the whole drug system and the prison industrial complex is based upon people like ricky ross, without people like that, people that put their selfish desires ahead of the community, the system cannot survive

What are you talking about?
...the real Ricky Ross isn't promoting these people.

im equating ricky ross indulging in drug dealing too satisfy his desires to people that promote lil mouse and chief keef, its the same mentality

 

[thekingsmen]

its not the name of a system, im just saying what i am saying applies to whatever system you are talking about whether its capitalism or whatever

Just say you don't have an answer for it.






and im also saying even if you had a fair justice system it wouldn't make a lot of difference, you can only have a prosperous community if its academically oriented and it has personal and community responsibility

So if the Justice System was fair over 2 Million People would be still locked up?



it doesnt matter whether he was just a street corner drug dealer or a big time distributor, he is still personally responsible for his actions and he still willingly participated in the prison industrial complex and he failed to be a responsible community member.

Where were the Preachers and Activists and the Black Conscious Heads at the time to stop Rick from selling? Once you heard drugs were in your community it was the responsibility of the community as a whole to stomp it out...that never happen. You on the other hand blame one man for all the problems. You don't blame the po-po for distributing the drugs in the community. How you think they got there....


and people like him are responsible for their part in destroying the black community, the whole drug system and the prison industrial complex is based upon people like ricky ross, without people like that, people that put their selfish desires ahead of the community, the system cannot survive.

You continue on your path of lack of understanding....where were the Al Sharptons and Black Freemasons, Activists when Ross was selling? I didn't see anyone stopping him.




im equating ricky ross indulging in drug dealing too satisfy his desires to people that promote lil mouse and chief keef, its the same mentality.

Different times, different situations...that's something you can't equate. Read the book and stop assuming what you think you know.

 

[The Message]

Is it really free will when the opportunities and options are slim?

 

[88m3]

Thought this was going to be about the moral slavery Islam imposed o well.

 

[Blackking]

is this a general post that you have been holding on to? becuase i never even said anything about a 16 year old and nowhere in my post was i looking down at anything

all i was saying is that this is ultimately a cultural problem

and this formulation of the prison system as slavery will not address the problem because its a false analogy, people fundamentally participate in the prison out of their own free will

before the drug war, before cia etc etc there was already a break down in the black community and that break down is what has to be addressed, it doesnt matter whether there are crooked cops or drug wars, that break down will still exist

if we want to change things the we have to change the fundamentals not the after effects, and the fundamentals is culture

nothing i have said is going against reforming the justice system or social programs, i just dont think the formulation of it as slavery is false and misguided

but as to your sideways attack of putting personally responsibility on a 16 year old i disagree in two ways, i disagree point blank at face value, a 16 year old should be held personally responsible, at the end of the day that is the way to have a prosperous society, its individual responsibility

and the other way i disagree is that even if you dont hold up the 16 year old responsible you have to hold up the people that surround the 16 year old responsible so again its about personal responsibility not just to yourself but to your community

yeah, everyone is responsible for their own actions. But responsibility can also be shared.. unfortunately the "blank face" 16 will be the only one held responsible for the chain.

The chain is a politician wanting money.. needing the public to like his stance on crime. Him getting money from a private arms dealer/international security agency who also happens to own a few prisons in Amerikka... That same person and his political pack in the senate creating drug laws that unfairly target black youth... then that same politician belonging to a finance committee that cuts programs for early childhood education and public assistance.. creating a situation that this 16 year old is living in desperation and feels (whether its true or not..) that he only has a few choices, aka, live dormant or die enormous. Not to mention that politicians fake political rival owns the shipping company and has been in business with Asian politicians to bring the drugs in since the 80's and knows fully that if you place a highly addictive yet cheap drug into an economically depressed area you can keep all your business and political partners very wealthy.

But yea... lets tell the kid that he has to be to take all the responsibility.

 

[theworldismine13]

yeah, everyone is responsible for their own actions. But responsibility can also be shared.. unfortunately the "blank face" 16 will be the only one held responsible for the chain.

The chain is a politician wanting money.. needing the public to like his stance on crime. Him getting money from a private arms dealer/international security agency who also happens to own a few prisons in Amerikka... That same person and his political pack in the senate creating drug laws that unfairly target black youth... then that same politician belonging to a finance committee that cuts programs for early childhood education and public assistance.. creating a situation that this 16 year old is living in desperation and feels (whether its true or not..) that he only has a few choices, aka, live dormant or die enormous. Not to mention that politicians fake political rival owns the shipping company and has been in business with Asian politicians to bring the drugs in since the 80's and knows fully that if you place a highly addictive yet cheap drug into an economically depressed area you can keep all your business and political partners very wealthy.

But yea... lets tell the kid that he has to be to take all the responsibility.

lol @ all this, the reality is that you just exposed why this ideology is wrong and its because it avoids the issues of culture and personal responsibility

i never said i was against reforming the justice system and the police, i just said i had a problem with analogizing it with slavery

all you have done in this post is make the case as to why things should be reformed and why more people beyond street crimes need to go to jail

you asked me a question about personal responsibility and i answered it and i stand by it, adults, 16 year olds and children are all personally responsible for their actions, and that responsibility goes beyond the justice system, they are responsible to the community itself

Instilling a sense of responsibility is the foundation of a prosperous community so the idea that anybody should not be held responsible is a very dangerous notion that actually makes people more impotent

the prison industrial complex represents not just a failure of the justice system its also a failure of black culture, we cant just fix the system, we have to fix black culture

 

[theworldismine13]

Just say you don't have an answer for it.

i do, i think we should reform the justice system to make it more equitable, i think we should double down and engage fully in capitalism instead of running away from it, and i think we have to reform black culture to make it more academically oriented

So if the Justice System was fair over 2 Million People would be still locked up?

if the justice system was reformed and made equitable black people would still be at the bottom economically because economic power requires more than just an equitable system, it requires a high level of organization and a group that has a culture that encourages things that add to the economy

Where were the Preachers and Activists and the Black Conscious Heads at the time to stop Rick from selling? Once you heard drugs were in your community it was the responsibility of the community as a whole to stomp it out...that never happen. You on the other hand blame one man for all the problems. You don't blame the po-po for distributing the drugs in the community. How you think they got there.

i never put the responsibility on one man, what i said is that ricky ross is personally responsibly for his actions and he selfishly put his own interests ahead of the interests of his community and ricky ross is just as responsible as the people that gave him the drugs

and the same thing goes for people in jail, its fine to reform the system, but at the end of the day people have to held personally responsible for their actions and they have to start showing responsibility toward the black community

saying fuk the police and having welcome back from jail barbecues isnt gonna cut it

You continue on your path of lack of understanding....where were the Al Sharptons and Black Freemasons, Activists when Ross was selling? I didn't see anyone stopping him.

yeah thats my point, nobody stopped him, because he grew up in a culture where what he was doing was acceptable, so ricky ross represents a failure of black culture to create a sense of personal responsibility and community responsibility, which is what sizemore was saying, you latched on to the anti capitalism rhetoric but missed her overall point

 

[thekingsmen]

I'm done with this discussion world, you didn't read the book and it seems you are so stuck in your box you won't hear the other side of the facts.

 

[theworldismine13]

I'm done with this discussion world, you didn't read the book and it seems you are so stuck in your box you won't hear the other side of the facts.

sure but bottom line is that the slavery analogy is a dumb analogy because people participate in the prison industrial complex under their own free will

a lot of what you and this book are saying is left wing mumbo jumbo and its not really what black people need to focus on, in the black community we need to focus on culture, if we fix that the prison industrial complex will crumble

 

[thekingsmen]

sure but bottom line is that the slavery analogy is a dumb analogy because people participate in the prison industrial complex under their own free will

a lot of what you and this book are saying is left wing mumbo jumbo and its not really what black people need to focus on, in the black community we need to focus on culture, if we fix that the prison industrial complex will crumble