You broke it down exactly how it happens!
The Other Slavery
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You broke it down exactly how it happens!
is this a general post that you have been holding on to? becuase i never even said anything about a 16 year old and nowhere in my post was i looking down at anything
all i was saying is that this is ultimately a cultural problem
and this formulation of the prison system as slavery will not address the problem because its a false analogy, people fundamentally participate in the prison out of their own free will
before the drug war, before cia etc etc there was already a break down in the black community and that break down is what has to be addressed, it doesnt matter whether there are crooked cops or drug wars, that break down will still exist
if we want to change things the we have to change the fundamentals not the after effects, and the fundamentals is culture
nothing i have said is going against reforming the justice system or social programs, i just dont think the formulation of it as slavery is false and misguided
but as to your sideways attack of putting personally responsibility on a 16 year old i disagree in two ways, i disagree point blank at face value, a 16 year old should be held personally responsible, at the end of the day that is the way to have a prosperous society, its individual responsibility
and the other way i disagree is that even if you dont hold up the 16 year old responsible you have to hold up the people that surround the 16 year old responsible so again its about personal responsibility not just to yourself but to your community
World continues to spew filth from his mouth...
How are children suppose to hold personal responsibility for policies in this country that attack them mentally, physically and emotionally?
How are children suppose to hold personal responsibility for policies in this country that attack them mentally, physically and emotionally?
i never said anything about children in particular so i dont really know why you bring that up, but again its about personal responsibility and community responsibility, and everybody including children needs to be taught that, the fact that we dont do that is the fundamental problem
and the fundamental thing that black people need to be know about the prison industrial complex is not that its slavery, its that the prison industrial complex only exists with the acquiescence of black people, black people deliberately and out of their own free will participate in the prison industrial complex
You obviously didn't listen to what Dr. Barbara Seizmore said who was a Teacher in schools in B-More, D.C. and Chicago for 40 years. She addressed the issue of the community as a whole.
There is no free will for victims of a System created to destroy them mentally, physically and emotionally. They are forced to participate in their own destruction. Prison Industrial Complex is a Multi-Billion dollar a year business...no black people have control of that. Stop and Frisk is a policy that has been going on for years that keeps the PIC going.
You are blind...and continue to be blind to the facts by ignoring the real issues. Go read your little fantasy Dune novels and leave the conscious level issues to everyone else.
You obviously didn't listen to what Dr. Barbara Seizmore said who was a Teacher in schools in B-More, D.C. and Chicago for 40 years. She addressed the issue of the community as a whole.
There is no free will for victims of a System created to destroy them mentally, physically and emotionally. They are forced to participate in their own destruction. Prison Industrial Complex is a Multi-Billion dollar a year business...no black people have control of that. Stop and Frisk is a policy that has been going on for years that keeps the PIC going.
You are blind...and continue to be blind to the facts by ignoring the real issues. Go read your little fantasy Dune novels and leave the conscious level issues to everyone else.
I think you are the one that did not listen to Sizemore, becuase she said pretty much the same thing that I said, which is that fundamentally what we have is a cultural problem, and we do not have the proper cultural structure to allow kids to thrive
In the first 2 minutes of the video she says pretty much what I've been saying
1:39 "When it gets to the point that the way we live is destructive, and leads to our extermination, we need to think about what has happened to our culture"
Those are powerful words, thanks for posting this vid, she's the type of women that would smack you for saying that a child shouldn't be held responsible for his or her actions
Every person in the community has to be held responsible for his or her actions, that is the basis of a thriving community and how we build a new black wall street
Yes Seizmore places personal responsibility in her discussion but you have picked out lines that fit your agenda. The first video at 4:43 she explains my point....then from there again in 8:35 she mentions my point again in video 1.
Video 2 She explains it off the bat.
Nice try though..now finish the videos instead of picking up what you want.
she is explaining what she sees wrong with the system but at the end of the day the solution according to her is addressing black culture, and she comes back to culture thoughout the lecture
the problem with what you are saying is that you are trying to have black people wallow in victimhood instead of taking control and you are pushing this absurd notion that children should not be held responsible for their actions
Wrong again World....you seem not to get it.You are talking about a personal responsibility for community which is good but you truly think small in terms of
big picture.
If you don't educate the children and the adults in the system and how it works against you....a victim you will always be in the system.
Sure, it's important to explain how the system works and to also work toward reforming the system
But at the end of the day the prison industrial complex operates with the acquiescence of black people who participate in it under their own free will
And to stop it fundamentally it's about culture, we have to address the culture that glorifies and normalizes participation in the prison industrial complex and switch to a culture that focuses on academics
and no matter what at the end of the day everybody including children should be held responsible for their actions
then dont reform it, it actually doesnt matter, what i am saying applies to whatever system is present
what i am saying is that most people in jail are not innocent, even if you where to reform the system they still committed a crime and they have to be held responsible for what they did
and even away from the justice system, the people have to held responsible by the community for their actions in the community
for example people like ricky ross are personally responsible for their actions even if he was given drugs by the CIA because at the end of the day ricky ross sold drugs willingly, nobody forced him to do it
its fine to criticize the system but not to the point where you get away from personal responsibility and community responsibility
i dont really have a response to that, i think white people should do whatever they want to do, im not worried about that, i wish you luck in collabing with white people
i think we need to focus on black culture, culture is what gives you the tools to protect yourself from outsiders, having a culture that is based on academics, that instills personal responsibility and community responsibility is what protects black people from everything and every system
that is what sizemore was saying about culture, we as black people have failed to create an appropriate culture to combat the system
then dont reform it, it actually doesnt matter, what i am saying applies to whatever system is present
The system present in America is Capitalism. Can't reform a system based of maximizing profits no matter the cost of people's lives or livelihood.
what i am saying is that most people in jail are not innocent, even if you where to reform the system they still committed a crime and they have to held responsible for what they did and even away from the justice system, the people have to held responsible by the community for their actions in the community.
Capitalism requires capitalist to commit crimes and have laws to protect them. In order for those to live in a country where that is allowed, they must be a capitalist. Everyone else, especially Blacks can't be capitalists because you can't make profit on your own. So what is considered innocent or guilty is subjective to the rules that are in place. If a poor person steals a dollar out of store, he will go to jail for a long time. If a rich man steals 100,000 dollars out of a bank, he may get a bonus for doing so. So where is the responsibility?
If driving, walking while black is a policy in this country...where is the responsibility? Why is it ok for officers of the law to place drugs on people and claim that they have a reason for stop and frisk? How many people can you say actually did a extreme crime and how many can you say did a misdemeanor but it was pushed up to a felony cause he is black.
for example people like ricky ross are personally responsible for their actions even if he was given drugs by the CIA because at the end of the day ricky ross sold drugs willingly, nobody forced him to do it.
Ummm your logic is flawed. If the drugs never came into the community in the first place...Ross would have never sold them.
its fine to criticize the system but not to the point where you get away from personal responsibility and community responsibility.
You continue tofor this responsibility. When the BPP was in the community helping out...guess who destroyed that? Wasn't the community. You allow the system to get away with it b/c you are comfortable in it.
i dont really have a response to that, i think white people should do whatever they want to do, im not worried about that, i wish you luck in collabing with white people
So basically that means blacks on their own....bootstraps like when the whole community( human community) can come and stop it.
i think we need to focus on black culture, culture is what gives you the tools to protect yourself from outsiders, having a culture that is based on academics, that instills personal responsibility and community responsibility is what protects black people from everything and every system.
Ok that's cool, how are you going to change Capitalism to the Ma'at System? How will you instill that in the Community of people who believe in Democrats and Republicans, Bloods and Crips?
that is what sizemore was saying about culture, we as black people have failed to create an appropriate culture to combat the system
You didn't pay attention to the rest of what she said. One ear and out the other. You didn't read Mrs. Alexanders book, so I expected you to respond the way you have.
well like i said, then dont reform it if it can't be reformed, the stuff im saying is actually system neutral, it would apply to any system anywhere on the planet
that is why im so dismissive of diatribes of "the system", its not that i disagree with the criticism, its just i think you have to get beyond that
the system is a secondary issue, what is important is for black people to have a culture based on academics and based on personal responsibility and community responsibility, as long as you have that black people will thrive regardless of the system
well to me the obvious solution to that is for black people to also become capitalist
and im all for reforming the justice system and police but i dont think you should sacrifice personal responsibility or community responsibility
what was this misdemeanor that was pushed to a felony? was it another crime against another black person? was it doing harm to the black community? are you suggesting that black people should acquiesce to criminals in the community?
ross was the conduit that brought the drugs into a community, he is just as responsible for the drugs coming in as the people that sold him the drugs, and he willingly took the drugs under his own free will and he willingly participated in the prison industrial complex, he selfishly put his own materiel wants ahead of the needs of the community
ross was an individual that participated in the destruction of his own community, even he will tell you that
well actually it was traitors in the community that destroyed BPP and other movements, and the key to future movement working is changing black culture to focus on the principles and culture of personal and community responsibility
and people like ricky ross, and people going around promoting chief keef and lil mouse are just as guilty as traitors of black power movements, imo anyways
that's exactly correct, we are on our own, the sooner you get that the better and that is why black people should not tolerate buffoonery, victimality and criminality in the community
a lot of this slavery= jail stuff is really left wing, liberal mumbo jumbo that wants to define the existence of the black race as merely victims and a lot of this victim ideology as just as dangerous and just as restrictive as racism
like i said, my ideas are system neutral, it will work no matter what system you are working under
Props for this. She is telling it like it is, no p*ssyfooting.