The Official Toronto Discussion Thread

[RedCloakBlackWraithe]

how a fugitive on IG live..

cops don't care.

black on black crimes irrespective of innocence (toronto policce response)

years back they were tailing a brudda from Galloway and lost them to allow them to go shoot up malvern.

ain't no way these cops were outwitted by these brehs, they let them go do the dirt to build a larger case.

pure wickedness they don't give af about hard-working honest families in these neighbourhoods.

 

[Tom Foolery]

The government needs to spend in order for an economy to improve and to get out of a recession. Harper just denied the existence of a recession and did nothing to remedy the effects (speaking mostly on the second recession), which is why Trudeau needed to run on a deficit when he got into office.
Harper refuses to admit Canada is in recession despite official figures



Liberals already committed to and worked on clean water (especially in reservations, which improved upward to 80%) and environmental infrastructure (electric vehicles, energy-efficient buildings, helped invest billions in transit development, established DMAF to assist Canadians with disaster relief tied to the environment), already setup billions in funds for provincial governments to utilize the money for their own needs.
He has been actively investing in projects, his infrastructure plan from 2015 has multiple phases that extend to the late 2020s. I'll admit some of his projects have been rather slow in their implementation, but the commitment is still there.

Infrastructure Canada - Investing in Canada Plan – Building a Better Canada



We're in a pandemic economic growth will happen in 2022, why else do you think he called an election now? He's introducing more infrastructure spending to help bolster the economy and get people back to work

Liberals bet big on economic growth to cover COVID-19’s costs

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-infrastructure-pandemic-recovery-mckenna-1.5746029





Economic performance and policy during the Harper years - Policy Options

I don't know what world you and @Tom Foolery were living in when Harper was PM, the economy was shyt, unemployment was high, etc. He added over 200 billion to the national debt (he cut the GST, which was stupid he lost a source of revenue and just added onto the debt).

I find it funny Conservative supports act like Harper transferred a good economy and books onto Trudeau which is a complete lie, he repeatedly undermined the scientific community, cut regulations, didn't want to acknowledge recessions (did that twice), etc. If none of that was the case then explain why Trudeau swept him in the election in historic numbers back in 2015? Imagine championing that clown as a fiscal god when he wasnt.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-harper-political-obit-1.3273677
No matter how you add it up, Harper's fiscal record is a catastrophe - iPolitics

That was the political game they played. It was all done to paint Trudeau as the good guy and Harper as bad. Since Harper is the king of stagnation, he played right into their hand.

There was no recession.They took advantage of the oil plunge to say the economy was doing bad. We didn't have high unemployment nor was the overall economy doing shyt. Trudeau spent more and only dropped unemployment by 1%. What growth did we get between 2016-2019? Infrastructure..........with multiple phases.


The you posted this:
Economic performance and policy during the Harper years - Policy Options

During the period of the Harper government (2006-15), real GDP growth was markedly slower than during the preceding 22 years (table 1, row 1), a result of the sharp recession that occurred from the fourth quarter of 2008 to the second quarter of 2009, and of the period of sluggish recovery that followed

Dawg you're not understanding what they are saying. Canada was running surpluses until the 2008 crash. After the the crash Harper wanted to return back to balanced budgets.

This is a fair summary from the article you posted.
"The Harper government promised a low-tax, balanced-budget plan that could grow jobs and increase output and income. The government delivered better per capita real disposable income growth than its predecessors, but worse employment and output growth. And this record was determined largely by factors other than federal policy. The Harper government’s economic policies during 2006-15 met the objective of a strengthened fiscal position without sacrificing the goal of income redistribution, but had decidedly less success in meeting the goal of jobs and growth. In the end, a verdict on the degree of success of the Harper government’s economic policies hinges on the relative values that one attributes to the various economic objectives. In our own judgment, after 2010 the Harper government unduly sacrificed growth in order to improve a debt position that was already solid."

How do you feel about debt position now?

I don't think anyone is saying Harper was amazing, we are just saying he saw the need to not spend stupidly to get same results as Trudeau.

Trudeau's legacy will be debt we can never pay back. And that's before the pandemic.

 

[Jefferson Jackson]

how a fugitive on IG live..

think about this for a minute, Louis Farrakhan's account got snatched from him, but a fugitive on the run that's made headlines across North America for 1st degree murder can post at free will...

 

[Malcolmxxx_23]

cops don't care.

black on black crimes irrespective of innocence (toronto policce response)

years back they were tailing a brudda from Galloway and lost them to allow them to go shoot up malvern.

ain't no way these cops were outwitted by these brehs, they let them go do the dirt to build a larger case.

pure wickedness they don't give af about hard-working honest families in these neighbourhoods.

poor innocent breh got killed pulling into his house
even in america top 5 would of been arrested
canadian politicians/police/lawmakers dont give a fukk bout a black men..dude is chilling in Burnaby

 

[Luken]

cops don't care.

black on black crimes irrespective of innocence (toronto policce response)

years back they were tailing a brudda from Galloway and lost them to allow them to go shoot up malvern.

ain't no way these cops were outwitted by these brehs, they let them go do the dirt to build a larger case.

pure wickedness they don't give af about hard-working honest families in these neighbourhoods.

did the same thing when they were investigating the Asian Assassins', detective's seen nikkas opps planting GPS trackers on nikkas whips and watched perps get tailed and then gunned down. no warning no message, no intervention, no hints, no heads up or nothing. Police and Detectives are not your friends. especially in this city.

 

[Luken]

think about this for a minute, Louis Farrakhan's account got snatched from him, but a fugitive on the run that's made headlines across North America for 1st degree murder can post at free will...

well in defense of the police, they have to catch him first, cant do much when the nikka is moving around like carmen sandiego

 

[Auger]

think about this for a minute, Louis Farrakhan's account got snatched from him, but a fugitive on the run that's made headlines across North America for 1st degree murder can post at free will...

Well in Instagram's case Farrakhan is conducting what *they* consider as hate speech

A fugitive hasn't been legally convicted yet

 

[RedCloakBlackWraithe]

did the same thing when they were investigating the Asian Assassins', detective's seen nikkas opps planting GPS trackers on nikkas whips and watched perps get tailed and then gunned down. no warning no message, no intervention, no hints, no heads up or nothing. Police and Detectives are not your friends. especially in this city.

breh i been known about how evil these people are. i tried to show my bredgins after a certain incident but them nikkas heads in the clouds. i wish them the best but some street nikkas can only see what's directly in front of them. can't understand the depths to the game they're playing.

 

[RedCloakBlackWraithe]

well in defense of the police, they have to catch him first, cant do much when the nikka is moving around like carmen sandiego

carmen san diego...how old are you breh lolll

 

[Soundbwoy]

Went to Belleville for the long weekend, it was dope. Went to the beach, winery and dispensaries. I was expecting a little surprisingly people were supper chill

 

[Luken]

Went to Belleville for the long weekend, it was dope. Went to the beach, winery and dispensaries. I was expecting a little surprisingly people were supper chill

Why? its Belleville, not quebec city. Loyalist College and queens university is over there, bare nikkas have come and gone for school.

 

[thatrapsfan]

That was the political game they played. It was all done to paint Trudeau as the good guy and Harper as bad. Since Harper is the king of stagnation, he played right into their hand.

There was no recession.They took advantage of the oil plunge to say the economy was doing bad. We didn't have high unemployment nor was the overall economy doing shyt. Trudeau spent more and only dropped unemployment by 1%. What growth did we get between 2016-2019? Infrastructure..........with multiple phases.


The you posted this:
Economic performance and policy during the Harper years - Policy Options

Dawg you're not understanding what they are saying. Canada was running surpluses until the 2008 crash. After the the crash Harper wanted to return back to balanced budgets.

This is a fair summary from the article you posted.
"The Harper government promised a low-tax, balanced-budget plan that could grow jobs and increase output and income. The government delivered better per capita real disposable income growth than its predecessors, but worse employment and output growth. And this record was determined largely by factors other than federal policy. The Harper government’s economic policies during 2006-15 met the objective of a strengthened fiscal position without sacrificing the goal of income redistribution, but had decidedly less success in meeting the goal of jobs and growth. In the end, a verdict on the degree of success of the Harper government’s economic policies hinges on the relative values that one attributes to the various economic objectives. In our own judgment, after 2010 the Harper government unduly sacrificed growth in order to improve a debt position that was already solid."

How do you feel about debt position now?

I don't think anyone is saying Harper was amazing, we are just saying he saw the need to not spend stupidly to get same results as Trudeau.

Trudeau's legacy will be debt we can never pay back. And that's before the pandemic.

Is there a single Government that *has not* spent and relied on fiscal stimulus in past two years? Even countries that had tight fiscal policy, reversed position during the pandemic. Look at UK, Germany and rest of the EU. No matter who was in power, the federal government would follow course and increase spending on EI, wage subsidies, and CERB-like payments when businesses were forced to close.

You talk about the oil price under Harper effecting the economic outlook, and thats true, but its the case no matter who is in power. I think all politicians exaggerate the extent to which they have control over economic outcomes, that heavily dependent on factors outside of their hands (commodity prices, overall global economic growth etc). If the US is in a recession, if commodity prices are down, and global economy is struggling for one reason or another, Canadian economy will take a hit regardless of who is in power. Fiscal policy of whoever is in power will inevitably be reactive and based on those trends.

All partisans exaggerate the gap between the major parties economic positions too. You are not going to see a huge reversal of major spending initiatives should the Conservatives win. The tinkering and changes will be on the margins.

 

[RedCloakBlackWraithe]

well in defense of the police, they have to catch him first, cant do much when the nikka is moving around like carmen sandiego

the same police who subpoena cell phones companies to obtain records and imei number so they can clone phones?

 

[Tom Foolery]

Is there a single Government that *has not* spent and relied on fiscal stimulus in past two years? Even countries that had tight fiscal policy, reversed position during the pandemic. Look at UK, Germany and rest of the EU. No matter who was in power, the federal government would follow course and increase spending on EI, wage subsidies, and CERB-like payments when businesses were forced to close.

You talk about the oil price under Harper effecting the economic outlook, and thats true, but its the case no matter who is in power. I think all politicians exaggerate the extent to which they have control over economic outcomes, that heavily dependent on factors outside of their hands (commodity prices, overall global economic growth etc). If the US is in a recession, if commodity prices are down, and global economy is struggling for one reason or another, Canadian economy will take a hit regardless of who is in power. Fiscal policy of whoever is in power will inevitably be reactive and based on those trends.

All partisans exaggerate the gap between the major parties economic positions too. You are not going to see a huge reversal of major spending initiatives should the Conservatives win. The tinkering and changes will be on the margins.

Pandemic aside, just look at Justin's first 4 years in office 2016-2019. He ran a deficit of $92 billion combined. Why? That is unheard of in Canada. And on top of that he lied. He knew the economy went bad because of oil prices.

If Harper was in office we would have been in surplus for 2016-2019. We could have used that $96B on an actual emergency like the one we have now.
The road to surplus: Canada's deficits, surpluses from 2006-2014

I know he's Liberal and you guys wont admit it, but His arguably the worst PM of All-time. He'll go down as the Michael Manley of Canada.

 

[thatrapsfan]

Pandemic aside, just look at Justin's first 4 years in office 2016-2019. He ran a deficit of $92 billion combined. Why? That is unheard of in Canada. And on top of that he lied. He knew the economy went bad because of oil prices.

If Harper was in office we would have been in surplus for 2016-2019. We could have used that $96B on an actual emergency like the one we have now.
The road to surplus: Canada's deficits, surpluses from 2006-2014

I know he's Liberal and you guys wont admit it, but His arguably the worst PM of All-time. He'll go down as the Michael Manley of Canada.

Youre being extremely hyperbolic and Canadas economic outlook is not even remotely comparable to Jamaica in 70s/80s.

This is a graph of deficit as a share of GDP in past decade. The differences arent as huge as you suggest, up till the clear outlier that was the pandemic year. The 2020 increase is very much the norm across the entire developed world, regardless of political party in power.

This graph shows the UK, which is run by a Conservative majority government (and has been for a decade). 2020 outlook looks identical.