The Official Terence Crawford vs Raymundo Beltran Thread

[krackdagawd]

I love Crawford, and would love to see him beat Pac but let's keep it reality breh............ he ain't nowhere near ready to fight Pacquiao yet. I enjoyed his performance last night too, but he left himself open quite a few times. He couldn't afford to do that with Pac and he's not polished enough yet to not do that with Pac.

He got staggered by a nikka that shouldn't even have been in 135, I think Manny wrecks him BUT I could see his southpaw jab give Manny some problems This fight would start out a chess match and end in a war because neither of those nikkas like to stay hit they are both the type to immediately retaliate of you get a good shot on em.

 

[patscorpio]

I m just spitting facts here breh. He's just another Top Rank product which is why you fanboying, but he needs to move up and fight people his own damn weight. He's 09-12 Canelo status to me now

so thats what it is...you wont give him his props because he's an arum fighter who's not disgruntled and/or has a bone to pick with him to anyone's knowledge...you could have said the weight thing bothers you and you want him to move up...dude doesn't need to go to 147..140 is fine for him....that kid has solid solid boxing skills and is a disciplined fighter.. something in the past which you've claimed to admire..you're over in other threads complaining the hate berto and broner get is disgusting....however those 2 nikkas have 10 cent boxing brains among other glaring flaws...i dont stan anyone by their promoter breh..never have and never will...im not that skj cat who stans blindly any fighter that signs with haymon...if i was a top rank fanboy id be the biggest stan of jr who i think is the biggest undeserving bum in boxing who happens to be an arum fighter...i dont even stan crawford but he got my respect as a fighter...you need to check yourself

 

[HARLEM AL]

Height has shyt to do with making weight. And let dude fight at 140. shyt Broner was fighting at 130 and nobody said shyt

 

[Newzz]

Height has shyt to do with making weight. And let dude fight at 140. shyt Broner was fighting at 130 and nobody said shyt

Terence Crawford has already fought at least 3 fights Junior Welterweight before moving back down to Lightweight and getting the title from Ricky Burns.


He was always a big 135lber just like Broner and Floyd (who both fought at 130, not just AB).

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Beltran is easily a better fighter than Demarco. If Demarco is C+/B-, then Betran is B+. Demarco can't seem to win any fight unless he can hurt you repeatedly. At least Ray got some boxing skills to fall back on.

Crawford impressed me this weekend. Can't wait to see him lose that 0 to Broner though. It'd be nice to see another all black super fight. Don't get those as often as we used to.

 

[Newzz]

Beltran is easily a better fighter than Demarco. If Demarco is C+/B-, then Betran is B+. Demarco can't seem to win any fight unless he can hurt you repeatedly. At least Ray got some boxing skills to fall back on.

Crawford impressed me this weekend. Can't wait to see him lose that 0 to Broner though. It'd be nice to see another all black super fight. Don't get those as often as we used to.

DeMarco was a B 135lber, Beltran has 7 losses breh....no way can he be a B 135lber.

Look at their resumes and their losses at 135. DeMarco lost to Valero (A fighter at 135) and Broner (another A fighter at 135lber). He beat Linares and John Molina though and was the WBC Champion.....and you are on record saying,to you a Champion cant be a C fighter

Beltran, however, had notable losses to to Sharif Bogere/Luis Ramon Jr/Terence Crawford. Ramon and Bogere are nowhere on the same level as a Valero or Broner, Crawford IS up there though. Beltran's best victory is a MD against Hank Lundy and Beltran's never been a Champion. He also has 4 other losses, 2 via KO on his resume at 135 to other non-noteworthy fighters


No way possible, imo of course, is Beltran =/> than Antonio Demarco at 135.


Crawford's best victory to me was his destruction of Gamboa because it showed his in ring adjustment skill and he showed off different skills we didnt know he possessed. Even though Gamboa was undersized, it was STILL a great victory and MUCH better than Broner's victory over Gavin Rees



Broner vs Crawford would be a great matchup though, because regardless of that, Crawford dominated everyone placed in front of him this year and he doesnt have to beat Richard Abril for me to know he's the best at 135

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

DeMarco was a B 135lber, Beltran has 7 losses breh....no way can he be a B 135lber.

Look at their resumes and their losses at 135. DeMarco lost to Valero (A fighter at 135) and Broner (another A fighter at 135lber). He beat Linares and John Molina though and was the WBC Champion.....and you are on record saying,to you a Champion cant be a C fighter

Beltran, however, had notable losses to to Sharif Bogere/Luis Ramon Jr/Terence Crawford. Ramon and Bogere are nowhere on the same level as a Valero or Broner, Crawford IS up there though. Beltran's best victory is a MD against Hank Lundy and Beltran's never been a Champion. He also has 4 other losses, 2 via KO on his resume at 135 to other non-noteworthy fighters


No way possible, imo of course, is Beltran =/> than Antonio Demarco at 135.


Crawford's best victory to me was his destruction of Gamboa because it showed his in ring adjustment skill and he showed off different skills we didnt know he possessed. Even though Gamboa was undersized, it was STILL a great victory and MUCH better than Broner's victory over Gavin Rees



Broner vs Crawford would be a great matchup though, because regardless of that, Crawford dominated everyone placed in front of him this year and he doesnt have to beat Richard Abril for me to know he's the best at 135

Beltran has more losses than Demarco, but he's way more skilled and dangerous than Demarco is in my opinion. Demarco is just a rangy tall southpaw with some power and grit. nikkas shyt on Ponce De Leon, but even he's a better fighter and is B+,

And you act like I flat out called Demarco a C fighter. I said dude is C+/B-. Skill wise he's C+, but resume wise he's a B level dude. That's why I said C+/B-. I know he was a champ nikka. I know how I rank dudes. You ain't gotta correct me on my own system. I know what I've stated.

If someone were to say Demarco/Beltran or equal I wouldn't argue it. Everybody's boxing eyes or different. I just think Beltran's a better fighter when it comes down to skills. He's always been competitive, whereas Demarco rarely is in his losses.

Beltran would have been a champ if the judges would have gotten it right in Scotland. Him getting a draw against Burns was just as bad a decision as Pac/Bradley 1.

I mean if Beltran ain't a B level guy at 135, then that means everybody is getting too excited over Crawford beating another FNF nikka just like Pac did last week against Chris.

 

[Newzz]

I mean if Beltran ain't a B level guy at 135, then that means everybody is getting too excited over Crawford beating another FNF nikka just like Pac did last week against Chris.

Beltran aint better than Chris Algieri


But you aint hear that from me

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Beltran aint better than Chris Algieri


But you aint hear that from me

 

[TheNig]

Still haven't watched the fight.

 

[Gizza]

Fell asleep after 2-3 rds woke up during the 7th fell asleep again. B/R said TC got a unam. dec Homie big ass fuk n needs to move up. He's decent(like his potential) but needs a legit fighter his size. Gamboa hate it had to be him & Beltran :SaboGTFOH:

 

[mr. smoke weed]

So 2 good wins against one good opponent and one middle of the road opponent=FOTY now?
Wlad/Manny (just off the top) have much better cases. Crawford is now officially an upper echelon B fighter. Would still get smoked by the top dogs.

 

[Newzz]

So 2 good wins against one good opponent and one middle of the road opponent=FOTY now?
Wlad/Manny (just off the top) have much better cases. Crawford is now officially an upper echelon B fighter. Would still get smoked by the top dogs.

I agree with you. Doug Fischer spoke on this and about Crawford's last 3 opponents (Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa, and Raymundo Beltran):

Burns was clearly on the decline going into their fight. Though I favored the gutsy Scotsman, I thought (like most) that he deserved to lose his draw with Beltran, and then “the Rickster” lost his bout right after the Crawford fight. I know Gamby had a lot of hype being an undefeated Cuban and all, but I gave the hyperactive midget very little shot of beating Crawford given his inactivity and gross technical flaws. Bottom line: Gamby was overrated and not a real lightweight.

Which brings us to Saturday’s performance: Crawford was brilliant. He once again proved that he’s a complete fighter. He can box and attack, and he can do it coming forward or moving, from southpaw or orthodox stances. He’s smart but he’s tough and he’s got heart. That combo was too much for Beltran, who is good enough to beat lower-top 10/fringe contenders and prospects, but not an elite talent in his prime. I thought Beltran was robbed against Sharif Bogere (as well of Burns, of course) but I thought his loss to then-prospect Luis Ramos was legit. And Ramos wasn’t a blue-chip prospect or talented enough to really establish himself at 135 pounds.

My point is that yes, Crawford is hands down the man at lightweight, but let’s not go crazy and call him a pound-for-pound player and future hall of famer just yet. And let’s not make him a huge favorite to stop every junior welterweight standout in the game.

I have no doubt that Crawford can compete at 140 pounds but I don’t think he would dominate Garcia or Matthysee. Both guys have the power to hurt Crawford and both possess the skill/experience to land their bombs. I’d love to see those fights

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/367703-dougies-monday-mailbag-206

 

[mr. smoke weed]

@Newzz I don't feel comfortable agreeing with that fakkit dougie though

 

[Newzz]

@Newzz I don't feel comfortable agreeing with that fakkit dougie though

Yeah, he's a clown