who will win french open

  • nadal

    Votes: 71 38.8%
  • joker

    Votes: 59 32.2%
  • roger

    Votes: 26 14.2%
  • other

    Votes: 27 14.8%

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Dude you keep saying this when Fed just beat Novak in straight sets less than a month ago :russ:

He let him off the hook completely last night, a couple of those break points go his way (not taking credit from Novak, but it is what it is) and he would have cruised to a 4 set victory too
We're talking Majors though. When's the last time he beat him at a Major?
 

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All Im saying it lets not say he cant beat him anymore. He handed that match over last night on a silver platter
You can say that, but then I can say all those errors were him trying to put just a little more mustard on his shot, or trying to hit his shots just a little deeper or wider because of who he's playing. Shots that are winners against anyone else are played effectively by Djokovic. It's why he's so tough to beat.

I don't think it's fair to say Fed gave the match away, because he played that way solely because of who he was playing. He knows he has to play at another level to beat Djokovic that isn't required to beat anyone else, so he presses, and the errors come.
 

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Yea, he be on his crocodile tears shyt.

Grats to Djoker, would've love to see the a calendar slam but oh well. Can't wait till he gets a French slam under his belt.

People need to stop with this big 4 bullshyt, it's the big 3. Murray ain't in the convo. Federer, Nadal and Djokovic were on a whole nother level these last couple years.


Low key Wawrinka been putting up better numbers than Murray the last year or so.
 

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Definitely feel as if age/eroding skills is a big part of it. I mean, we're not that far removed from when Federer could beat Djokovic, but not Nadal, while Djokovic could beat Nadal, but had trouble with Federer. The fact that Federer is still playing as well as he is at this age is crazy, and he's still able to be competitve with Nole at times during their matches. HIs problem is he's just not consistent enough, especially with his FH, as dude above mentioned. Young Fed didn't have these problems (though, to play the other side, you could say he didn't have to play anyone quite like Djokovic either). So who knows.

As is the case with any sport, I wish we could somehow see these 2 play each other in their primes, but we have to settle for now, in which Fed is still paying very well, but just can't beat Nole.


Do you feel Fed's performance against Nadal and Djokovic through recent years has potentially diminishes his Reputation as the GOAT?
 
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Do you feel Fed's performance against Nadal and Djokovic through recent years has potentially diminishes his Reputation as the GOAT?

Personally no, age slowed him down a bit while Nadal was young, hungry and strong. But peak federer was excellence.
 

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You can say that, but then I can say all those errors were him trying to put just a little more mustard on his shot, or trying to hit his shots just a little deeper or wider because of who he's playing. Shots that are winners against anyone else are played effectively by Djokovic. It's why he's so tough to beat.

I don't think it's fair to say Fed gave the match away, because he played that way solely because of who he was playing. He knows he has to play at another level to beat Djokovic that isn't required to beat anyone else, so he presses, and the errors come.
I typed this earlier, then I just clicked on this article and read the first paragraph:

He is not reckless, Novak Djokovic, but he knows how to set up a kill. More than any other player in tennis, he knows how to push you, how to goad you, how to make you your own worst enemy. You have limits — of pace, power, tenacity, endurance — and he knows not just how to find them but how to drive you past them, with minimal risk to himself. He hits safe shots a little deeper than you’d like. He drags you wider, makes you run harder to chase down the ball. His drop shots flop over the net with slightly more wicked backspin. His ground strokes fly at you with a little more force. To stay with him, you always have to do a little more than you are capable of doing comfortably — not necessarily a great deal more, because again, his mind-set is basically cautious, he’s not trying to go for too much, but a bit more, all the time — and doing more than you are capable of doing comfortably eventually makes you doubt your own capabilities. You start pressing. You aim for the outsides of lines instead of the insides, or you put a little extra juice on your serve, or you try to kill the point with a ludicrous cross-court winner instead of putting the ball back in play. You make mistakes, even when he isn’t forcing you to make them. He gets in your head, and even while he destroys you from the outside, he helps you beat yourself from within.

:obama:
 

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Do you feel Fed's performance against Nadal and Djokovic through recent years has potentially diminishes his Reputation as the GOAT?
Nah, he's still the GOAT, atleast right now. If Nole can stay at this level for a few more years, and get to 17 (obviously a BIG "if"), then we can have this discussion. Right now though? September 14, 2015? Roger Federer is the GOAT. Shouldn't be a question IMO.
 

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Definitely feel as if age/eroding skills is a big part of it. I mean, we're not that far removed from when Federer could beat Djokovic, but not Nadal, while Djokovic could beat Nadal, but had trouble with Federer. The fact that Federer is still playing as well as he is at this age is crazy, and he's still able to be competitve with Nole at times during their matches. HIs problem is he's just not consistent enough, especially with his FH, as dude above mentioned. Young Fed didn't have these problems (though, to play the other side, you could say he didn't have to play anyone quite like Djokovic either). So who knows.

As is the case with any sport, I wish we could somehow see these 2 play each other in their primes, but we have to settle for now, in which Fed is still paying very well, but just can't beat Nole.

Federer first 10 slam wins Opponents

Philippoussis
Marat Safin
Andy Roddikk
Lleyton Hewitt
Andy Roddikk
Andre Agassi
Marcos Baghdatis
Rafael Nadal
Andy Roddikk
Fernando González

Djokovic

Jo-Wilfried Tsonga
Andy Murray
Rafael Nadal
Rafael Nadal
Rafael Nadal
Andy Murray
Roger Federer
Andy Murray
Roger Federer
Roger Federer

Nadal

Puerta
Federer
Federer
Federer
Federer
Federer
Soderling
Berdych
Djokovic
Federer
 
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Nah

Roger is smug as they come. He's the king of of backhanded compliments.
Get the fukk out of here. Fed's made a few sly remarks, but Serena is always shytty when she loses a big match. Always.

Fed will give praise and make jokes after he loses. He has perspective.
 

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Majority of that was on clay.
But he beat him everywhere else too. He pushed him to the limit everywhere before being peak Nadal that won 3 out of 4 majors. Novak is the only reason Nadal does not have the major record. He beat him in 3 out of 4 finals in 2011.
 

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But he beat him everywhere else too. He pushed him to the limit everywhere before being peak Nadal that won 3 out of 4 majors. Novak is the only reason Nadal does not have the major record. He beat him in 3 out of 4 finals in 2011.
2011 was clearly Fed past his prime.

Fed won 13 of his 17 majors after Nadal won his first in 2005 and he's been out of his prime for six years. Nadal had his number overall in head-to-head matches, but Fed was always advancing deeper in tournaments, while Nadal would get clipped early at times, so the numbers got skewed a little bit.

13-2 advantage on clay, five of which were at the French Open.
 

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2011 was clearly Fed past his prime.

Fed won 13 of his 17 majors after Nadal won his first in 2005 and he's been out of his prime for six years. Nadal had his number overall in head-to-head matches, but Fed was always advancing deeper in tournaments, while Nadal would get clipped early at times, so the numbers got skewed a little bit.

13-2 advantage on clay, five of which were at the French Open.

he's talking about novak beating nadal 3 times in 2011
 
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