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Stop it

socialism is the violent imposition of ones imaginary virtue at the expense of another wallet
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See European global imperialism and neo-conservatism and neo liberalism

Capitalism doesnt pretend to have virtue,If youre greedy capitalism works,If your generous it works even better...is it ideal ? NO..some people fall through the cracks

but its waaay better than the feudalism that came before capitalism
 

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my exact words


Capitalism doesnt pretend to have virtue,If youre greedy capitalism works,If your generous it works even better...is it ideal ? NO..some people fall through the cracks

but its waaay better than the feudalism that came before capitalism


And feudalism was centralized capitalism :yeshrug:
 

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And feudalism was centralized capitalism :yeshrug:

Actually Feudalism is more like socialism,especially the end stages

The king and royals plan the whole economy down to the occupation you would have and how much you would eat ..
"nobility held lands from the Crown in exchange for military service, and vassals were in turn tenants of the nobles, while the peasants (villeins or serfs) were obliged to live on their lord's land and give him homage, labor, and a share of the produce, notionally in exchange for military protection."

So the land and the economic production are NOT private in both ..in feudal times the output goes to a royal Baron
in socialist times the output goes to the bureau of redistribution of wealth...whats the difference if youre the peasant farmer really:manny:

the fruits of your labor are totally stolen either way
 

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Actually Feudalism is more like socialism,especially the end stages

The king and royals plan the whole economy down to the occupation you would have and how much you would eat ..

So the land and the economic production are NOT private in both ..in feudal times the output goes to a royal Baron
in socialist times the output goes to the bureau of redistribution of wealth...whats the difference if youre the peasant farmer really:manny:

the fruits of your labor are totally stolen either way


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Why do people insist that elites distributing wealth unto the masses is somehow someway socialism?:dwillhuh::why::snoop:

That is authoritarian state capitalism to a T. Do you have any reasoning skills?:leostare:
 

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Not all were some were feudal and still have kings and nobility to this very day

and second Anarchism=not=socialism

Anarchism in the traditional sense is very closely related to socialism.

William Godwin, the forefather of modern anarchism, was also a proponent of communism and anarchist combination.

Anarcho-communism, there is also anarcho-socialism or anarcho syndicalism (libertarian socialism) - the branch I subscribe to.


You do have anarcho-capitalism, but it is anarchist in name only. In reality it advocates for private tyranny and oppression dictated by the victors.


Again, you are proving you have no clue what you are talking about my friend.
 

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Why do people insist that elites distributing wealth unto the masses is somehow someway socialism?:dwillhuh::why::snoop:

That is authoritarian state capitalism to a T. Do you have any reasoning skills?:leostare:

Nice job with the Gifs ....too bad they arent a substitute for real knowledge

State capitalism allows any individual(not just nobility) to have private property and make a private profit they can keep for themselves...look how many millionaires and billionaires china has now??

try to Guess how many cuba has??
 

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Nice job with the Gifs ....too bad they arent a substitute for real knowledge

State capitalism allows any individual(not just nobility) to have private property and make a private profit they can keep for themselves...look how many millionaires and billionaires china has now??

try to Guess how many cuba has??

The gif is there to illustrate how nonsensical your post was.

State capitalism is centralizing economic output, the state makes the money. For countries like China, they just outsource the money making to private firms

China is in the top 5 in millionaires in the world.

Cuba is basically the same except the embargoes and other economic buttresses never allowed it to progress on that same level hence why the only two millionaires are probably Raul and Fidel and any benefactors of their state capitalist methods.
 

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Stop muddying up the fukking thread with rehashed and poorly-reasoned arguments that have been addressed in the previous 32 pages and in numerous other threads in HL.
 

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Anarchism in the traditional sense is very closely related to socialism.

William Godwin, the forefather of modern anarchism, was also a proponent of communism and anarchist combination.

Anarcho-communism, there is also anarcho-socialism or anarcho syndicalism (libertarian socialism) - the branch I subscribe to.


You do have anarcho-capitalism, but it is anarchist in name only. In reality it advocates for private tyranny and oppression dictated by the victors.


Again, you are proving you have no clue what you are talking about my friend.

I see perhaps the problem is we dont have the same definitions

Anarchism=Political system with no Government regardless of the economic system whether its capitalist,communist or whatever it is all voluntary

Socialism=Political system where economic systems are socially owned and run for the benefit of social good

Capitalism=Private ownership of economic systems run for profit

then you have some systems in between like state socialism where the state runs the economy for social good like venezuela and

state capitalism where the state runs the economy to make profits


PS libertarian socialism is a term rife with self contradiction....liberty is individualistic and socialism is collectivist....i dont even see how that could happen in the real world
 
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