The Official Sergey "Krusher" Kovalev vs Andre "S.O.G." Ward Fight Thread

[reservoirdogs]

I don't understand why they keep mentioning Kovalev's fight against Hopkins as it would have been some master boxing W...

Kovalev did what he always does, pressured hard, he didn't change a single thing on his strategy/tactics, he just did what he's good at... Hopkins had no answer for it but he was still gutsy enough to make it out till the final bell... But it's not like Kovalev and Hopkins would have went skill to skill and Kovalev would have outclassed him.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

I don't understand why they keep mentioning Kovalev's fight against Hopkins as it would have been some master boxing W...

Kovalev did what he always does, pressured hard, he didn't change a single thing on his strategy/tactics, he just did what he's good at... Hopkins had no answer for it but he was still gutsy enough to make it out till the final bell... But it's not like Kovalev and Hopkins would have went skill to skill and Kovalev would have outclassed him.

Hopkins had kkkov open many times for counter shots, but couldn't pull the trigger, due to being old as fukk

 

[R=G]

Ward: What Will Kovalev Do When Being the Krusher Doesn’t Work? - Boxing News


by David P. Greisman

Andre Ward is both complimentary of Sergey Kovalev while also being confident that he will prevail over the light heavyweight titleholder when they meet on Nov. 19 in Las Vegas.

Everybody knows what he brings to the table. He’s the champion. He’s defended his championship. He’s beat really good fighters, and he’s beat really good fighters on the road,” Ward told media members in mid-September. “So he’s the real deal. He’s not a guy with a padded record or a guy with a bunch of soft touches. Obviously I see weaknesses and different things that we’re going to exploit or we want to exploit.” Kovalev is undefeated at 30-0-1 with 26 knockouts. Ward feels he can take advantage of what has made Kovalev so successful so far.

“Guys like Kovalev, guys that are big punchers, his nickname is the ‘Krusher’, so when things get rough, what is he going to try to do? He’s going to try to crush,” Ward said. “He’s not going to think about his game plan. He’s not going to listen to what his coaches tell him. He’s going to go back to what he knows, which is fight hard, and then that’s going to make it even worse. He’s going to go back to who he is, because that’s all he knows. Guys with that kind of reputation can’t fathom, really, anything else happening other than knocking a guy out or [their] power being a determining factor. It’s in them. They can’t think of anything else.” Ward did acknowledge Kovalev’s background and skill set. “He comes from the Eastern Bloc system. He comes from a good boxing background. He’s technically sound,” Ward said. “He can box. He can do multiple things in the ring. We’re not ignorant of that. But ultimately that’s [relying on his power is] who he is. I’ll put it like this: If he had to pick whether he was going to depend on power in this fight or his boxing ability, I guarantee you he’s going to pick power. That’s what’s in his mind.” One media member noted that Kovalev had used his boxing while shutting out Bernard Hopkins in 2014. “I’m not Bernard Hopkins,” Ward countered. “And no disrespect to Bernard Hopkins, I’m not 40 years old, or 49, almost 50. That’s just the reality of the situation. If he can stand up with me and go skill for skill, it’s going to make that much more of a great fight. But ultimately, I think we all can agree that’s who he is.”

There are no excuses...Sergai won't run and Ward is too slick to try the bullying and power game. Sergai would have to bring something I've never seen from him to win. He's gonna throw real hard with decent speed on those punches but Ward is great at using those gloves to defend at a reach and on the inside. That can frustrate a power puncher.

 

[krackdagawd]

and Ward is too slick to try the bullying .

Ward in going to BULLY him on the inside.

 

[R=G]

Nah...that was flipped up on my phone. I meant to say Sergai will try to bully and work his power punching game but Ward isn't gonna go for it.

 

[GzUp]

Nah...that was flipped up on my phone. I meant to say Sergai will try to bully and work his power punching game but Ward isn't gonna go for it.

Ward will try to punch and grab and move, he will not try and bully kovalev, once he touches ward and he will ward will fight VERY carefully.

 

[reservoirdogs]

Ward will try to punch and grab and move, he will not try and bully kovalev, once he touches ward and he will ward will fight VERY carefully.

Kovalev is mainly powerful when he is in motion and he has place not on the inside where his power decreases by a lot...
Ward is much more experienced in inside fighting and Kovaev doesn't like fighting on the inside
I'd say it's more dangerous to try to outbox the likes of Kovalev or Golovkin in all rounds than go up close sometimes and make it a rough.

Eastern Euro power punchers are usually not Salido, Rios or Porter type of brawlers, they are stylistically quite different. While the likes of Salido thrive when they are on the inside, they are actually looking for situations where they can be on the inside and fight a phone booth war, the type of seek and destroy fighters like Kovalev and GGG are more mechanic, less reckless with their actions and they thrive when the opponent is on the backfoot so they have place to put together their offense and they can cut off the ring and corner the poor b*stard. This mechanism is their bless and curse at the same time. While it means that they are very well schooled (in offense at least...) and usually good finishers, it also means that they are less improvisative when it comes to facing, new unexpected challenges in the ring. When plan A doesn't work. And they have a natural disadvantage in areas which are not taught in amateur boxing schools such as inside fighting.
The majority of EE fighters (GGG and Kovalev included) have their sweet spot, a favored distance where they like to fight and can control the distance but they usually don't like to fight outside of that. Hence all of that they are usually feel uncomfortable on the inside. They can be beat either by inside fighting or with very good outside fighting with constant lateral movement, not backward movement.

Look at how Hatton beat Tszyu (a prominent student of the Russian school, the precursor of the likes of Kovalev and GGG) for example. He roughed him up on the inside. Tszyu's power was gone... His sweet spot was gone. His control was gone. His whole game plan was gone. He got beaten.


As I see the main difference between the mainland Europe (Germany and Russia mainly) boxing schools and USA boxing schools that former are more textbook, more technical, they teach to the students everything in the ams on a very professional level, by the book, while latter put more emphasize on a way of thinking, and the specific self-suited style of an individual and less on doing everything technically perfect, by the book.
That's also can be partly because the American society was always more individual than the German or Russian for example who are/were more collectivist in their approach of every walk of life with all the advantages and disadvantages of that and this (imo) seems on their different approach to boxing too.

 

[GzUp]

Kovalev is mainly powerful when he is in motion and he has place not on the inside where his power decreases by a lot...
Ward is much more experienced in inside fighting and Kovaev doesn't like fighting on the inside
I'd say it's more dangerous to try to outbox the likes of Kovalev or Golovkin in all rounds than go up close sometimes and make it a rough.

Eastern Euro power punchers are usually not Salido, Rios or Porter type of brawlers, they are stylistically quite different. While the likes of Salido thrive when they are on the inside, they are actually looking for situations where they can be on the inside and fight a phone booth war, the type of seek and destroy fighters like Kovalev and GGG are more mechanic, less reckless with their actions and they thrive when the opponent is on the backfoot so they have place to put together their offense and they can cut off the ring and corner the poor b*stard. This mechanism is their bless and curse at the same time. While it means that they are very well schooled (in offense at least...) and usually good finishers, it also means that they are less improvisative when it comes to facing, new unexpected challenges in the ring. When plan A doesn't work. And they have a natural disadvantage in areas which are not taught in amateur boxing schools such as inside fighting.
The majority of EE fighters (GGG and Kovalev included) have their sweet spot, a favored distance where they like to fight and can control the distance but they usually don't like to fight outside of that. Hence all of that they are usually feel uncomfortable on the inside. They can be beat either by inside fighting or with very good outside fighting with constant lateral movement, not backward movement.

Look at how Hatton beat Tszyu (a prominent student of the Russian school, the precursor of the likes of Kovalev and GGG) for example. He roughed him up on the inside. Tszyu's power was gone... His sweet spot was gone. His control was gone. His whole game plan was gone. He got beaten.


As I see the main difference between the mainland Europe (Germany and Russia mainly) boxing schools and USA boxing schools that former are more textbook, more technical, they teach to the students everything in the ams on a very professional level, by the book, while latter put more emphasize on a way of thinking, and the specific self-suited style of an individual and less on doing everything technically perfect, by the book.
That's also can be partly because the American society was always more individual than the German or Russian for example who are/were more collectivist in their approach of every walk of life with all the advantages and disadvantages of that and this (imo) seems on their different approach to boxing too.

Breh u may think his power is diminished by a lot but I don't think so, he has good short punches

 

[YvrzTrvly]

Breh u may think his power is diminished by a lot but I don't think so, he has good short punches

Idk mani agree with reservoir...

Kovy certainly not an inside fighter simply put. He best when he can back u up, cut off the ring and finally unload. Basically terminator status...simply a matter of physics when it comes down to a guy that will walk you down and hit you on ur back foot

And he doesnt strike me as someone that will be able to adjust to world class skill...not saying he isnt

 

[GzUp]

Idk mani agree with reservoir...

Kovy certainly not an inside fighter simply put. He best when he can back u up, cut off the ring and finally unload. Basically terminator status...simply a matter of physics when it comes down to a guy that will walk you down and hit you on ur back foot

And he doesnt strike me as someone that will be able to adjust to world class skill...not saying he isnt

Not saying he's a inside fighter but to say his punches don't have power in the inside I disagree

 

[OC's finest]

Kovalev is mainly powerful when he is in motion and he has place not on the inside where his power decreases by a lot...
Ward is much more experienced in inside fighting and Kovaev doesn't like fighting on the inside
I'd say it's more dangerous to try to outbox the likes of Kovalev or Golovkin in all rounds than go up close sometimes and make it a rough.

Eastern Euro power punchers are usually not Salido, Rios or Porter type of brawlers, they are stylistically quite different. While the likes of Salido thrive when they are on the inside, they are actually looking for situations where they can be on the inside and fight a phone booth war, the type of seek and destroy fighters like Kovalev and GGG are more mechanic, less reckless with their actions and they thrive when the opponent is on the backfoot so they have place to put together their offense and they can cut off the ring and corner the poor b*stard. This mechanism is their bless and curse at the same time. While it means that they are very well schooled (in offense at least...) and usually good finishers, it also means that they are less improvisative when it comes to facing, new unexpected challenges in the ring. When plan A doesn't work. And they have a natural disadvantage in areas which are not taught in amateur boxing schools such as inside fighting.
The majority of EE fighters (GGG and Kovalev included) have their sweet spot, a favored distance where they like to fight and can control the distance but they usually don't like to fight outside of that. Hence all of that they are usually feel uncomfortable on the inside. They can be beat either by inside fighting or with very good outside fighting with constant lateral movement, not backward movement.

Look at how Hatton beat Tszyu (a prominent student of the Russian school, the precursor of the likes of Kovalev and GGG) for example. He roughed him up on the inside. Tszyu's power was gone... His sweet spot was gone. His control was gone. His whole game plan was gone. He got beaten.


As I see the main difference between the mainland Europe (Germany and Russia mainly) boxing schools and USA boxing schools that former are more textbook, more technical, they teach to the students everything in the ams on a very professional level, by the book, while latter put more emphasize on a way of thinking, and the specific self-suited style of an individual and less on doing everything technically perfect, by the book.
That's also can be partly because the American society was always more individual than the German or Russian for example who are/were more collectivist in their approach of every walk of life with all the advantages and disadvantages of that and this (imo) seems on their different approach to boxing too.

good analysis

kov is a master of controlling distance

he never got close enough for bhop (old ass bhop) get close enough to clinch, and feinted enough to keep him in his sweet spot

should b a good fight

i still got ward, but would not be surprised at all if kov landed a bomb n ended it

 

[reservoirdogs]

Breh u may think his power is diminished by a lot but I don't think so, he has good short punches

I didn't see that many really short compact punches especially not in a clinch-hal clinch.
He isn't that compact rather lengthy...

Of course his power doesn't disappear COMPLETELY when he's on the inside but it decreases by a lot.

 

[MIAlien]

Brehs, Sorry I haven't hit you with any updates. Honestly, there hasn't been any good news, and all I've heard is more about how difficult SOG & J Prince are to deal with. I don't know if anyone has noticed on here, but Jay Z is booked to perform at Global Citizens Festival in India on the same day as the fight....

 

[patscorpio]

Brehs, Sorry I haven't hit you with any updates. Honestly, there hasn't been any good news, and all I've heard is more about how difficult SOG & J Prince are to deal with. I don't know if anyone has noticed on here, but Jay Z is booked to perform at Global Citizens Festival in India on the same day as the fight....

breh who's performing at the PPV then?

 

[GzUp]

I didn't see that many really short compact punches especially not in a clinch-hal clinch.
He isn't that compact rather lengthy...

Of course his power doesn't disappear COMPLETELY when he's on the inside but it decreases by a lot.

What about that punch he knocked out Thompson with?