He's an idiot breh.Disgusting
What are your thoughts on Palestine and Israel?
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the cac mamba
Veteran
how about "facts are stated in an article"
Isaiah Bradley
Banned
lol. The nikka made a speech before Clinton, so he's falling in line tooTrump would be much better from a foreign policy perspective.
#TrumpSet
Nobody publicly calls both sides out on this BS
How could you oversee a conflict between both sides, while openingly rooting for one side? what kind of success do you expect to achieve?
Isaiah Bradley
Banned
It achieves full cooperation with Israel and its policies. They only really cared about one side.
says the poster that wants america to burn as quickly as possible if bernie isnt elected president
says the poster that wants america to burn as quickly as possible if bernie isnt elected president
You guys are making my head hurt, between pro-Bernie supporters with nihilistic tendencies and Hillary supporters who deny that she is problematic in many ways, I just don't know.
Bernie Sanders Delivered A Killer AIPAC Speech ... In Utah
The pro-Israel group wouldn’t have liked what he said.
03/21/2016 08:11 pm ET
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Samantha Lachman Staff Reporter, The Huffington Post
Ralph Freso/AP Photo
Sanders skipped AIPAC’s big conference to campaign in Utah, Arizona and Idaho on Monday.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) declined to speak at the country’s largest pro-Israel gathering in Washington on Monday. Instead, the Democratic presidential candidate, who is the only Jew in the race, gave a speech detailing his belief in a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict — in Utah.
But then the speech he gave would have ruffled feathers before the approximately 18,000 attendees at the annual conference of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. The people gathered at a high school in Salt Lake City were at least his supporters.
AIPAC had invited Sanders and his rival for the Democratic nomination, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, to speak. The group also invited businessman Donald Trump, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and Ohio Gov. John Kasich, the three remaining Republican presidential hopefuls.
Sanders was the only candidate to decline the invitation, citing scheduled campaign events in Idaho, Utah and Arizona, which host their respective caucuses and primary on Tuesday. (He did request to address the conference remotely, which the group decided wasn’t kosher.)
.@BernieSanders delivers the speech he would have given at AIPAC today on international relations and Israel. pic.twitter.com/C3wawfiHOi
— Danny Freeman (@DannyEFreeman) March 21, 2016
Presidential candidates who come to AIPAC tend to emphasize their “unwavering commitment” to Israel’s security, with some warm anecdotes thrown in about past visits to the country and how much they loved it. The candidates this year, including Clinton, spent a large portion of their speeches talking about the Iranian nuclear deal, which AIPAC had tried unsuccessfully to torpedo.
Most White House hopefuls don’t say what Sanders did in Utah, which is that Israel’s government should get serious about a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
“We are obligated to speak the truth as we see it, and that is what real friendship demands, especially in difficult times,” Sanders said. “It is important among friends to be honest and truthful about differences we may have.”
While Sanders declared his support for Israel’s continued existence as a Jewish state, he also talked about Palestinian unemployment and poverty.
“When we talk about Israel and Palestinian areas, it is important to understand that today there is a whole lot of suffering among Palestinians and that cannot be ignored,” he said.
Clinton had mentioned the sensitive issue of Israeli settlements just once in her speech to AIPAC on Monday morning. In contrast, Sanders spent significant time condemning construction of the settlements as counter-productive to the currently nonexistent peace process. He said that peace would require “compromises on both sides.”
He called it “absurd for elements in [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu’s government to say that building more settlements in the West Bank is the appropriate response” to the most recent round of violence in the country. He argued that new settlement construction ultimately undermines Israeli security and predicted that Israel would have to pull back settlements in the West Bank, “just as it did in Gaza.” And he criticized Netanyahu’s government for withholding tax revenue it collects on behalf of the Palestinian Authority.
This is a stronger position against settlements than that of most American political leaders, who talk about Israel swapping land with the Palestinians to compensate for some large settlement blocs in the West Bank that most assume would remain in Israel’s control under a two-state solution.
Sanders did not explicitly lay out the parameters for what a two-state solution should look like. But he said that Hamas and Hezbollah would have to “renounce efforts” to undermine Israel’s security and that he’d require “the entire world” to recognize Israel’s right to exist. He also said that Israelis should feel secure from violence and terrorism, while Palestinians should have self-determination and civil rights. He argued in favor of ending the economic blockade of Gaza.
The senator implicitly criticized AIPAC for lobbying against the Iran nuclear agreement last year.
“I do not accept the idea that the pro-Israel position was to oppose the deal,” he said. “Preventing Iran from getting a nuclear weapon will strengthen not only America’s security, but Israel’s security as well.”
In yet another line that presidential candidates don’t tend to take before the AIPAC crowd, Sanders called on Israel to end “disproportionate responses” to attacks — though he said any attack launched against Israel is “unacceptable.”
Sanders condemned indiscriminate rocket fire from Hamas into Israel proper. But he also mentioned that he had spoken out “strongly against the Israeli counter-attacks that killed nearly 1,500 civilians and wounded thousands more” when Israel responded to rocket attacks by invading Gaza in 2014.
“It is clear to me that the path to peace will require tapping into our shared humanity to make hard but just decisions,” he said, concluding the Israel-related section of a speech that also touched on the self-described Islamic State and civil war in Syria.
Sanders’ speech would have made quite a statement at AIPAC, which places more of an emphasis on American-Israeli security cooperation and ignores the settlements issue.
But he didn’t seem to want even his supporters to know he was giving a speech on foreign policy, although he had long promised one. His campaign tweeted about it just once while he was delivering his remarks, after sending a link to watch it live.
The pro-Israel group wouldn’t have liked what he said.
03/21/2016 08:11 pm ET
11 K
Samantha Lachman Staff Reporter, The Huffington Post
Ralph Freso/AP Photo
Sanders skipped AIPAC’s big conference to campaign in Utah, Arizona and Idaho on Monday.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) declined to speak at the country’s largest pro-Israel gathering in Washington on Monday. Instead, the Democratic presidential candidate, who is the only Jew in the race, gave a speech detailing his belief in a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict — in Utah.
But then the speech he gave would have ruffled feathers before the approximately 18,000 attendees at the annual conference of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. The people gathered at a high school in Salt Lake City were at least his supporters.
AIPAC had invited Sanders and his rival for the Democratic nomination, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, to speak. The group also invited businessman Donald Trump, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and Ohio Gov. John Kasich, the three remaining Republican presidential hopefuls.
Sanders was the only candidate to decline the invitation, citing scheduled campaign events in Idaho, Utah and Arizona, which host their respective caucuses and primary on Tuesday. (He did request to address the conference remotely, which the group decided wasn’t kosher.)
.@BernieSanders delivers the speech he would have given at AIPAC today on international relations and Israel. pic.twitter.com/C3wawfiHOi
— Danny Freeman (@DannyEFreeman) March 21, 2016
Presidential candidates who come to AIPAC tend to emphasize their “unwavering commitment” to Israel’s security, with some warm anecdotes thrown in about past visits to the country and how much they loved it. The candidates this year, including Clinton, spent a large portion of their speeches talking about the Iranian nuclear deal, which AIPAC had tried unsuccessfully to torpedo.
Most White House hopefuls don’t say what Sanders did in Utah, which is that Israel’s government should get serious about a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
“We are obligated to speak the truth as we see it, and that is what real friendship demands, especially in difficult times,” Sanders said. “It is important among friends to be honest and truthful about differences we may have.”
While Sanders declared his support for Israel’s continued existence as a Jewish state, he also talked about Palestinian unemployment and poverty.
“When we talk about Israel and Palestinian areas, it is important to understand that today there is a whole lot of suffering among Palestinians and that cannot be ignored,” he said.
Clinton had mentioned the sensitive issue of Israeli settlements just once in her speech to AIPAC on Monday morning. In contrast, Sanders spent significant time condemning construction of the settlements as counter-productive to the currently nonexistent peace process. He said that peace would require “compromises on both sides.”
He called it “absurd for elements in [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu’s government to say that building more settlements in the West Bank is the appropriate response” to the most recent round of violence in the country. He argued that new settlement construction ultimately undermines Israeli security and predicted that Israel would have to pull back settlements in the West Bank, “just as it did in Gaza.” And he criticized Netanyahu’s government for withholding tax revenue it collects on behalf of the Palestinian Authority.
This is a stronger position against settlements than that of most American political leaders, who talk about Israel swapping land with the Palestinians to compensate for some large settlement blocs in the West Bank that most assume would remain in Israel’s control under a two-state solution.
Sanders did not explicitly lay out the parameters for what a two-state solution should look like. But he said that Hamas and Hezbollah would have to “renounce efforts” to undermine Israel’s security and that he’d require “the entire world” to recognize Israel’s right to exist. He also said that Israelis should feel secure from violence and terrorism, while Palestinians should have self-determination and civil rights. He argued in favor of ending the economic blockade of Gaza.
The senator implicitly criticized AIPAC for lobbying against the Iran nuclear agreement last year.
“I do not accept the idea that the pro-Israel position was to oppose the deal,” he said. “Preventing Iran from getting a nuclear weapon will strengthen not only America’s security, but Israel’s security as well.”
In yet another line that presidential candidates don’t tend to take before the AIPAC crowd, Sanders called on Israel to end “disproportionate responses” to attacks — though he said any attack launched against Israel is “unacceptable.”
Sanders condemned indiscriminate rocket fire from Hamas into Israel proper. But he also mentioned that he had spoken out “strongly against the Israeli counter-attacks that killed nearly 1,500 civilians and wounded thousands more” when Israel responded to rocket attacks by invading Gaza in 2014.
“It is clear to me that the path to peace will require tapping into our shared humanity to make hard but just decisions,” he said, concluding the Israel-related section of a speech that also touched on the self-described Islamic State and civil war in Syria.
Sanders’ speech would have made quite a statement at AIPAC, which places more of an emphasis on American-Israeli security cooperation and ignores the settlements issue.
But he didn’t seem to want even his supporters to know he was giving a speech on foreign policy, although he had long promised one. His campaign tweeted about it just once while he was delivering his remarks, after sending a link to watch it live.
can you describe those tendencies? and why they make your head hurt?
Tony D'Amato
It's all about the inches
Yeah, sure. His speech was even more sickening.Trump would be much better from a foreign policy perspective.
#TrumpSet
I will say its getting harder and hardee to support this twat. I wish Bernie was younger and smart enough not to call hinself a socialist.
Hmm, this BDS movement is increasingly getting international buzz. I wonder why?
The fact that candidate Clinton thinks its imperative to stop it should make all of us question why a non-violent, principled movement comprised of nations, companies, organizations and individuals in support of the Palestinians is being spoke about by the potential leader of the free world as if it is a terrorist organization of some sort...... 
The people who would vote for Trump.
This election has brought in a whole cast of characters who are not HL regulars, and are not interested in discussing topics. It's because people are just rooting for their squads and not being objective or doing the homework. People just want to be in an echo-chamber and anyone who does not support their opinion must be either irrational/ignorant. We never even have discussions. Instead of policy debates devolving into beef, the beef occasionally devolves into some substantive. That's why I'm starting to merge threads. It's getting repetitive.
But for real, Hilary is who we thought she was and Bernie Sanders declining the IAPAC invitation is who we know he is...
I'm going to get a big ass bumper sticker that says "I Voted for Bernie
". It's going to be an administration full of disappointment for Democrats when Hilary becomes president.
ill
Superstar
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But this means nothing
But this means nothing