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@Imgone8itch You the Raider homie, but I disagree with your post.

Honestly ask yourself was we really one or two pieces away from being a dynasty? Or winning the bowl? If u can say yes then I guess. Honestly being real we was not.

I gotta start by saying I dont believe in dynasties in football. Too many things can go wrong from year to year. I believe in the win now approach. With that said, I honestly dont think we were that far off from a bowl appearance. I think people see the product we have on the field today and forget how different things could've been if we didn't make dumb offseason moves. If we keep Crab (Carr's favorite target), and possibly add Jordy instead of wasting money on players like Doug Martin, resign Bowman instead of wasting money on 90 year old Derrick Johnson, pay Mack and see what he can do with the d-line talent we acquired in the draft, and we're looking at a much better team. Again, im not saying a super bowl was guaranteed or even likely, but it very well could've been the best shot we'll have in years.

I was just as pissed as anyone with trading Mack, but the money Mack was asking for along with the money Reggie paid Carr, the money he paid Gabe Jackson, K.O and Rodney Hudson, we would have been screwed long term. Coop agent was trying to get coop paid top W.R money coop has not earned that. We fell in love with coops potential but he had way to many drops to get paid top dollar.

Again, I think too many people get caught up in the long-term approach. We've been trash for over a decade and it looks like we're headed for another decade of trash. Gotta take a shot when you have the chance.

Now back to Mack we pay him what he got paid from the bears we have no cap space left and as much as I love Mack he wasn't going to win us many more games alone! We loved Mack cuz he was ours but let's be real it was some games when Mack looked like L.T and it was some games where we like where the hell is khalil!

This is what frustrates me the most about the Mack trade. We finally got him some help. He wouldn't have to do it alone. We have some talented young D-linemen now and with Mack commanding a double/triple team on every play, these young guys would eat.

When you look at it logically u save 100 mill and gain 2 first rd picks trading coop saves another 100 mill and gets you a 1st rd pick.

This sounds great, but do we trust Reggie, Gruden, or Mark to turn this franchise around just cuz they have some money and few extra picks? I'm not confident in either one of these guys.

Imo, Gruden set us back. You don't rebuild by moving your HOF talent in their prime. You get rid of overpaid/underperforming guys (Carr, Coop) and build around your legit talent. If we kept Mack and moved Carr and Coop we'd be in a much better position for a rebuild.
 

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@Imgone8itch You the Raider homie, but I disagree with your post.



I gotta start by saying I dont believe in dynasties in football. Too many things can go wrong from year to year. I believe in the win now approach. With that said, I honestly dont think we were that far off from a bowl appearance. I think people see the product we have on the field today and forget how different things could've been if we didn't make dumb offseason moves. If we keep Crab (Carr's favorite target), and possibly add Jordy instead of wasting money on players like Doug Martin, resign Bowman instead of wasting money on 90 year old Derrick Johnson, pay Mack and see what he can do with the d-line talent we acquired in the draft, and we're looking at a much better team. Again, im not saying a super bowl was guaranteed or even likely, but it very well could've been the best shot we'll have in years.



Again, I think too many people get caught up in the long-term approach. We've been trash for over a decade and it looks like we're headed for another decade of trash. Gotta take a shot when you have the chance.



This is what frustrates me the most about the Mack trade. We finally got him some help. He wouldn't have to do it alone. We have some talented young D-linemen now and with Mack commanding a double/triple team on every play, these young guys would eat.



This sounds great, but do we trust Reggie, Gruden, or Mark to turn this franchise around just cuz they have some money and few extra picks? I'm not confident in either one of these guys.

Imo, Gruden set us back. You don't rebuild by moving your HOF talent in their prime. You get rid of overpaid/underperforming guys (Carr, Coop) and build around your legit talent. If we kept Mack and moved Carr and Coop we'd be in a much better position for a rebuild.

Hey bro, we fans if he same team we not gonna agree on everything and I understand every point u made. The back end of the defense is trash. Let's say we did it your way keep crabs, who wasn't talking to carr, we keep Mack, and just ride it out with coop. And we let's say go 10-6 and lose in the first round of the playoffs. About time we try to fix the back end of the defense which is trash carbs would be done Nelson already done, Mack would be 31. We prob paid coop a lot and we be in Vegas against the Cap with no way to add players. So it's two ways you either win it all or blow it up and start over. Gruden must have felt just being a 1st rd edit isn't good enough. Do I trust Reggie And gruden drafting? No I remeber thinking who the Fuk is pj Hall. I wanted Marcie bad tho glad we got him. I wanted Derwin James but I understand why we took
Miller
. We need to draft all defense in the first rd. Imagine that we can have 3 out of the first 15 picks that's amazing I'd sign bell and earl Thomas and that's about it unless clowney is a free agent.
 

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Hey bro, we fans if he same team we not gonna agree on everything and I understand every point u made. The back end of the defense is trash. Let's say we did it your way keep crabs, who wasn't talking to carr, we keep Mack, and just ride it out with coop. And we let's say go 10-6 and lose in the first round of the playoffs. About time we try to fix the back end of the defense which is trash carbs would be done Nelson already done, Mack would be 31. We prob paid coop a lot and we be in Vegas against the Cap with no way to add players. So it's two ways you either win it all or blow it up and start over. Gruden must have felt just being a 1st rd edit isn't good enough. Do I trust Reggie And gruden drafting? No I remeber thinking who the Fuk is pj Hall. I wanted Marcie bad tho glad we got him. I wanted Derwin James but I understand why we took
Miller
. We need to draft all defense in the first rd. Imagine that we can have 3 out of the first 15 picks that's amazing I'd sign bell and earl Thomas and that's about it unless clowney is a free agent.

I dont think any of the moves I mentioned would have set us back at all. I've been saying Coop isn't worth #1 WR money. I would have had no problem letting him walk after this season. Trading Coop for a 1st is actually the only move I like.

I agree the backend of the defense is trash, but an elite defensive line can mask that problem. We had HOF talent on the defensive line. if we get Mack help, it makes our entire defense better.

My point is that rebuilding this year was unnecessary. We're only rebuilding because Gruden made terrible decisions in the offseason and now we're forced to rebuild. And even in a rebuild, why move a 27 year old HOF talent? I keep hearing about Bosa, but are we even going to be able to get him? If we have to move multiple picks to get him, we're basically moving Mack for a player we hope turns into Mack. It doesn't make sense to me.
 

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So glad I got to enjoy football today not have to watch our :trash:ass team:blessed:

We so far away compared to these other teams in the league

R4L but we aint winning shyt for a while:wow:
 

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Haven't watched or cared about this team all season.. I watch a bit of today's game because I'm going against SD Defense in fantasy so I needed Oak to just score, but no, not even one single TD... this pathetic excuse for a professional football team let's me down once again.

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