The Official Netflix Marvel's "Iron Fist" Thread

[AnonymityX1000]

Sooo, that means Marvel believes that they are big and popular enough to whitewash a Asian character for money and not suffer too much backlash. You are not saying anything different.

Now its common knowledge that its fukked up, not in just Asian movies but any media where the plot is to send the White man into a different culture and that white man becoming the God or chosen one of that said culture. It was fine for Marvel to create Danny Rand back int he 70s when others were doing it. They did it with "American Ninja" in the 80s, Tom Cruise, "The Last Samurai" and with "Avatar". People are just not fine with this anymore so why didn't Marvel as smart as they are, given his origin, just make Iron Fist a new Asian character?

Yeah fine, if that's what too big means. But no one makes a movie for hundreds of millions of $ to leave double that on the table just to be true to a character. And it worked Dr. Strange is the highest grossing origin story for a solo character in the series.
No it was never fine, but now people are acting more enlightened and minorities have more a voice in the media then they did in the 70s. But don't kid yourself more people are fine with it than you think. If they cast a better white actor who did a great job I doubt the rumble would be this loud.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

There is a laundry list of people who can and have kicked Batman's ass in a straight up fight: Lady Shiva, Bronze Tiger, Richard Dragon, O-Sensei, Deathstroke, Jason Todd, I think Black Canary even beat him in a fair fight...fukking Rick Flag fought Batman to a draw! Batman isn't even listed as the best fighter by DC when they put out their official lists.

And the mantle of Iron Fist as well as the super powers that come with it can only be attained by defeating a magic dragon. And nobody in the secret city of K'un L'un had been able to do that for centuries until Danny Rand did it. THat makes him a "chosen one" archetype. I don't even onow what you are talking about with this "the best" stuff. Its about a white outsider coming into an Asian civilization and becoming the "Chosen one" with the Iron Fist story not being the best martial artist or whatever you are mistakenly assuming.

I'm really just asking about the monks who taught him his martial arts. Did any of them beat him, even more specifically Ra's al Ghul beat him? And isn't he supposed to be ethnic? I don't remember people complaining when Liam Neeson was cast.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Its not like they put much effort into the casting of the role anyway so just about anyone with a pulse would be better than Finn Jones.

I mean..... I wont deny that.... but breh

We aint even seen one ep yet

Can we atleast see one or 2 full eps before we agree with the critics?

I remember people was shytting on Grant Gustin when he was casted for FLASH



I mean this nicca was singing Smooth Operator and shyt

This our Barry brehs









Martha

 

[Bryan Danielson]

I'm really just asking about the monks who taught him his martial arts. Did any of them beat him, even more specifically Ra's al Ghul beat him? And isn't he supposed to be ethnic? I don't remember people complaining when Liam Neeson was cast.

No one had an issue with Liam as Ra's al Ghul and no one had an issue with white Ra's al Ghul on the DCCWverse either

Martha

 

[Optimus Prime]

Yeah fine, if that's what too big means. But no one makes a movie for hundreds of millions of $ to leave double that on the table just to be true to a character. And it worked Dr. Strange is the highest grossing origin story for a solo character in the series.
No it was never fine, but now people are acting more enlightened and minorities have more a voice in the media then they did in the 70s. But don't kid yourself more people are fine with it than you think. If they cast a better white actor who did a great job I doubt the rumble would be this loud.

I'm not kidding myself. This and a Matt Damon Great Wall movie got released in 2017. I'm saying Marvel missed out on a easy opportunity here with a character that made all the sense in the world to make Asian. Like you said, they got Asian Hulk in the comics along with a Black girl taken on the mantel of Iron Man, Lady Thor, Black CAP, etc, etc. Why not do that for their MCU? It would have garnered them so much good will even if the series still sucked like most of the critics, that mostly love all the MCU stuff, say it does. And it would have probably offset some of the backlash they got for Dr. Strange. Don't think what happen with Dr. Strange is not related to some of these reviews for Iron Fist...

 

[AnonymityX1000]

I'm not kidding myself. This and a Matt Damon Great Wall movie got released in 2017. I'm saying Marvel missed out on a easy opportunity here with a character that made all the sense in the world to make Asian. Like you said, they got Asian Hulk in the comics along with a Black girl taken on the mantel of Iron Man, Lady Thor, Black CAP, etc, etc. Why not do that for their MCU? It would have garnered them so much good will even if the series still sucked like most of the critics, that mostly love all the MCU stuff, say it does. And it would have probably offset some of the backlash they got for Dr. Strange. Don't think what happen with Dr. Strange is not related to some of these reviews for Iron Fist...

But they do do it for their MCU. They changed Elektra and no one cared. They changed Mordo no one cared. Dr. Strange got overwhelmingly mostly positive reviews and made tons of $.
And if they cast a better white actor in Ironfist because you know the character is actually white, a lot less people would have cared about this to.

 

[Jello Biafra]

I'm really just asking about the monks who taught him his martial arts. Did any of them beat him, even more specifically Ra's al Ghul beat him? And isn't he supposed to be ethnic? I don't remember people complaining when Liam Neeson was cast.

Batman got his training and then he bounced. The stuff in The Dark Knight never happened in the comics. A lot of time isn't really spent on Batman's training in the comics. Bruce Wayne wandered the planet learning shyt and then came home to Gotham and started dressing up like a bat.

As for Ra's al Ghul, Neal Adams drew him to look like a old white dude in his first appearance in 1971:

Then about 20 years later his creators (Denny O'neil and Neal Adams) wrote a graphic novel telling his origin where they wrote that he was born around 600 years ago in the Arabian Peninsula. So now Ra's is Arabic.

 

[Optimus Prime]

But they do do it for their MCU. They changed Elektra and no one cared. They changed Mordo no one cared. Dr. Strange got overwhelmingly mostly positive reviews and made tons of $.
And if they cast a better white actor in Ironfist because you know the character is actually white, a lot less people would have cared about this to.

agree to disagree. No one knows who Mordo is and Jennifer Garner is Elektra to most people. What you see in that Iron Fist trailer is similar to what you see in all these White savior movies. If you think they are the same as making the LEAD of a big Marvel Netflix show Asian is the same as making side characters black then ok...

 

[Jello Biafra]

No one had an issue with Liam as Ra's al Ghul and no one had an issue with white Ra's al Ghul on the DCCWverse either

Martha

Yeah they did:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/meet-the-new-white-dude-playing-ras-al-ghul-on-arrow-1630649811
White Canary and Arrow’s Habit of Whitewashing
Matthew Nable Is The Latest White Man To Play Ra's Al Ghul
I Guess Whitewashing is Okay Again
Who Would Have Guessed: "Arrow" Casts a White Dude as Ra's Al Ghul
Arrow Season 3 makes Ra’s al Ghul white, again

At least the folks at Gotham realized what was up and cast Alexander Siddig as their Ra's al Ghul:

 

[AnonymityX1000]

agree to disagree. No one knows who Mordo is and Jennifer Garner is Elektra to most people. What you see in that Iron Fist trailer is similar to what you see in all these White savior movies. If you think they are the same as making the LEAD of a big Marvel Netflix show Asian is the same as making side characters black then ok...

Now they do know Mordo, he's Chiwetel Ejiofor. And that Elektra movie was so long ago, the BIGGEST Netflix series Daredevil which featured an Asian Elektra is now more prominent and she will also be in Defenders in 2017.
I never said it was the same but don't completely ignore their past attempts at diversity getting no press and maybe that informing this decision to stick to the source material.

 

[Jazzy B.]

There is a laundry list of people who can and have kicked Batman's ass in a straight up fight: Lady Shiva, Bronze Tiger, Richard Dragon, O-Sensei, Deathstroke, Jason Todd, I think Black Canary even beat him in a fair fight...fukking Rick Flag fought Batman to a draw! Batman isn't even listed as the best fighter by DC when they put out their official lists.

And the mantle of Iron Fist as well as the super powers that come with it can only be attained by defeating a magic dragon. And nobody in the secret city of K'un L'un had been able to do that for centuries until Danny Rand did it. THat makes him a "chosen one" archetype. I don't even onow what you are talking about with this "the best" stuff. Its about a white outsider coming into an Asian civilization and becoming the "Chosen one" with the Iron Fist story not being the best martial artist or whatever you are mistakenly assuming.

Immortal Iron Fist fixed that all up.

Iron Fist is just one of seven special warriors and the weakest of them.

There have also been multiple Iron Fists who had far better skills than him. He is also the worst one.

It was also a cursed role where every Iron Fist was killed at a certain age something which his trainer knew and kept from him.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Now they do know Mordo, he's Chiwetel Ejiofor. And that Elektra movie was so long ago, the BIGGEST Netflix series Daredevil which featured an Asian Elektra is now more prominent and she will also be in Defenders in 2017.
I never said it was the same but don't completely ignore their past attempts at diversity getting no press and maybe that informing this decision to stick to the source material.

Sorry, those examples don't have the same weight, they just don't. I don't know what to tell you. Neither Elektra nor Modor are considered a saviors in their stories. They are side characters.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Sorry, those examples don't have the same weight, they just don't. I don't know what to tell you. Neither Elektra nor Modor are considered a saviors in their stories. They are side characters.

I think I just acknowledged they aren't the same. But don't ignore them like they never happened either.

 

[Dwolf]

I'm not kidding myself. This and a Matt Damon Great Wall movie got released in 2017. I'm saying Marvel missed out on a easy opportunity here with a character that made all the sense in the world to make Asian. Like you said, they got Asian Hulk in the comics along with a Black girl taken on the mantel of Iron Man, Lady Thor, Black CAP, etc, etc. Why not do that for their MCU? It would have garnered them so much good will even if the series still sucked like most of the critics, that mostly love all the MCU stuff, say it does. And it would have probably offset some of the backlash they got for Dr. Strange. Don't think what happen with Dr. Strange is not related to some of these reviews for Iron Fist...

Are you Asian?

 

[Ironman]

I'll wait and see for myself but I know I've spoken on the previous trailers of this series and I've been about them from jump. Finn Jones doesn't scream Iron Fist to me and I don't think it would've been a bad idea to cast an unknown mixed asisn/white actor. I understand following the original story but that was decades ago and is racist by todays standardsComic Mandarin beyond racist in his depiction. Luke Cage and his characters had to be updated there's nothing wrong with changing something for live action if it works. Marvel has been hit with a lack of prominent asian main characters and that's no secretLook how long we had to wait to have 3 black superheroes on screen at the same damn timeRhodey and Falcon could've been utilized more to me personally but whatever it is what it is. Again, I'll wait until I watch for myself before I jump to any conclusions. Having the showrunner behind Dexter which a lot of people were not happy with in regards to that series should've been a flag and Perlmutter should've been reeled in for thinking of that decision from jump