Essential The Official MMA Thread

[Pool_Shark]

bruh where else are the top talents in martial arts fighting if not in UFC? The real talent goes to sports where they get paid more and not beat up, period. What is this sport if not but dudes fighting? What makes the content different from bellators? The storylines bring that. Brock brought that. He wasn't the greatest fighter but cause he's the guy from wrestling and he actually won the belt....who else has done that in UFC? It's pretty cool

But I hope he stays retired. Let it go, stay with wrasslin and get your money. No use in coming back for a unceremonious JDS/Hunto/Big Country KO

If the UFC could pay an athlete the salary of an NFL player or NBA player think of the talent it would attract. At the most you'd fight 4 times a year. Also think about the top jiu-jitsu, kickboxing, wrestling, boxing guys that don't bother learning the other sports cause it's not worth it. The UFC being able to pay these guys more would be enough incentive to push them to learn the other aspects. Then they come in and now MMA evolves again. The content is different because what the UFC has like you said, are the top martial artist in the world.That's what makes it different from Bellator, If you want to be known as the best you have to fight in the UFC or there'll always be that cloud of doubt hanging over your career. Fabricated story lines like the Stephan Bonnar vs Tito crap or Rampage vs Tito fake fight aren't necessary, just like any sport the stories write themselves. I get it Brock=Money and does bring in people that normally wouldn't have tuned in if it wasn't for him. I guess you're right on his first run but now at the age he's at it'd be ridiculous to take him serious. Like I said the sooner MMA gets away from pro wrestling the better.

 

[The Infamous]

fukk Brock. Especially now keep him away, or you know what let him back in so he can get fukked up again. UFC letting him fight and hyping him up at 38 is a joke.

That's one of the things I dislike about MMA is fans wanting so bad to make it seem like WWF. No that's not what this is. It's the top sport where you have to be well-versed in almost every aspect of hand-to-hand combat or it's light's out. It's not a soap opera for men. fukk storylines and gimmicks, the faster MMA gets away from that crap, the sooner it will be taken serious as a sport and attract top competition and big money.

Look at the HW division, it's severely lacking talent. You have JDS, Cain, Werdum and after that, there is a huge gap in talent. Brock being 38 fits right into the 'old' HW division. 9 out of the top 15 HWs are between 35-40 years old: Werdum, Hunt, Barnett, Arlovski, Bigfoot, Roy, Gonzaga, Mir, and Mitrione. Struve is the only top 15 HW below 30. I'm not saying Brock is going to take the HW division by storm [far from it], but he'll be a nice addition to a very thin division. I just hope he's been training MMA since going back to the WWE. If not, he's going to be in for a rude awakening.

For me, this has nothing to do with storylines, gimmicks or the WWE. Lesnar is an exciting fighter [win or lose] who can bring some needed interest to a stale HW division. Assuming, he's in top [MMA] shape, he'd be an interesting match-up for anyone not named Cain, JDS or Werdum. He's not going to win a title and he's very likely not going to become the number 1 contender [unless the UFC gives him favorable match-ups], but at worst, he'll put on some exciting fights.

 

[Pool_Shark]

Look at the HW division, it's severely lacking talent. You have JDS, Cain, Werdum and after that, there is a huge gap in talent. Brock being 38 fits right into the 'old' HW division. 9 out of the top 15 HWs are between 35-40 years old: Werdum, Hunt, Barnett, Arlovski, Bigfoot, Roy, Gonzaga, Mir, and Mitrione. Struve is the only top 15 HW below 30. I'm not saying Brock is going to take the HW division by storm [far from it], but he'll be a nice addition to a very thin division. I just hope he's been training MMA since going back to the WWE. If not, he's going to be in for a rude awakening.

For me, this has nothing to do with storylines, gimmicks or the WWE. Lesnar is an exciting fighter [win or lose] who can bring some needed interest to a stale HW division. Assuming, he's in good/top [MMA] shape, he'd be an interesting match-up for anyone not named Cain, JDS or Werdum. He's not going to win a title and he probably won't become the number 1 contender [unless the UFC gives him favorable match-ups], but at worst, he'll put on some exciting fights.

Yeah you have a point. Plus it's big bucks seeing Brock fight. I doubt he'll get too far before realizing it's not gonna be the same as the first time. I wouldn't mind seeing a rematch against Frank Mir. Guess it'd be a bigger problem if he was diving into one of the deeper divisions but you guys are right besides the top three not much is going on at Heavyweight. I was already kinda tripping on the wwe stuff cause every podcast I listen to they're always trying to mix the two.

 

[Lord Beasley]

Busta Rhymes somehow making his way into this.

If Kelvin beats Woodley give him someone at the top Lombard, Condit, Rory, or Robbie. I don't think he gets past Woodley though.

Yo ... fukk Lomfraud and his inflated record.....give him Robbie.

 

[Pool_Shark]

Yo ... fukk Lomfraud and his inflated record.....give him Robbie.

Can't inflate wins over Palhares, Marquardt, and Jake Shields.

Robbie would be a good match so would Condit or Rory honestly I don't care just excited to see how far he's come since the Ultimate Fighter.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

hell nah... Im cool with having a production style of a big wrestling event, But I dont want "stories" or "gimmicks" like we saw with the corny tito and bonnar segments...At end of the day this is Martial Arts, and I dont want Boxing,BJJ,Muay thai (real)wrestling and other martial arts disrespected being mixed in with Entertainment Wrestling....

Also have you seen Inoki Genome Federation? cot damn its terrible and cringe worthy...seeing MMA dudes cut promos n shyt, runs ins.



I agree.

Oh I don't want that at all. I think what I said came across wrong. I don't want stories or gimmicks whatsoever. What I mean is that I think the UFC could do a better job of portraying their athletes without coming off as corny or contrived than they do. A lot of people are naturally very interesting. BJ Penn, Anderson Silva, Diaz Bros, Diego Sanchez, shyt I mean I could go on forever. PRIDE had the same thing. Saku, Wand, Big Nog, Rampage...granted PRIDE actually had a little more of the gimmicky shyt tied in, with the crazy ass matches like Fedor vs Hong Man Choi, or Nogueira vs Bob Sapp.

But I just watch these countdown shows in 2014 and I don't feel like a lot of fighters are that interesting. Correction. I think a lot of them are, but everything seems more generic/cut and paste. I'm doing a bad job of explaining it. I just feel like there aren't as many personalities shining through anymore. There are some amazing talents but a lot of them aren't draws, and I think they could be with a different approach, and also without pulling a Ortiz/Bonnar situation.

Does this make any sense? I think rn ins and half-scripted promos like Bonnar/Ortiz would be bad for the sport, overall.

 

[Medulla Oblongata]

Peyton Manning and Chuck Liddell almost threw it down

 

[Medulla Oblongata]

 

[Ralph Wiggum]

Lucky for brock he will probably get that McGregor booking and get easy fights to cushion his record. Unless he found a way to reinforce his chin, he'll still be food for the top HW's

 

[Change]

Who do you guys want to win Frankie vs Cub?

 

[TheNatureBoy]

Who do you guys want to win Frankie vs Cub?

I like Frankie Edgar, but Cub Swanson hands down. They both have fought Aldo before, but the Frankie fight wasn't that long ago and I don't see a rematch being much different. Even if you think Aldo still beats Cub (which I do), no way that he gets flying double kneed again. He has improved a lot as a fighter and is low key one of the most entertaining fighters in the UFC. He killed D'Bronx to the body, knocked George Roop silly, knocked out Ross Pierson going backwards, beat Dustin in a very entertaining fight, took out Siver with some pin point strikes, and looked solid going five rds with Jeremy. If he gets past Edgar, he really deserves the title shot.

Jack Slack did a great breakdown between the 2 fighters
http://fightland.vice.com/blog/cub-swanson-and-frankie-edgar-marvelous-madness-vs-clinical-method

 

[JahFocus CS]

 

[el_conejo_blanco]

Who do you guys want to win Frankie vs Cub?

im looking for Frankie to get a late stoppage or a decision thats not close because boxing/knee tap work Frankie has...Cub hasn't beaten anyone of Frankie's caliber in his career and Frankie has never lost to anyone who wasnt a champ besides Maynard

The match up that i can't really call is Barboza vs Green thats the one im looking forward too the most

 

[The G.O.D II]

Thoughts/predictions on this weekends UFC fight night Austin card

Choi Ud
Van Zandt UD
Yves TKO RD 1
Vick UD
Barnatt TKO RD 2
Magomedov UD

Main Card

Matt Wiman vs Issac Vallie Flagg

Haven't seen Wiman since TJ Grant crushed him. Flagg is pretty average. Wiman UD

Dustin Ortiz vs Joseph Benevidez

Benevidez is stronger, faster, and better. Benvidez Sub RD2

Jared Rolshot vs Olesik Olynik

This fight will suck. Rolshot is probably the best wrestler at HW outside Cain. Only difference is he doesn't have Cain's boxing or finishing instinct with top control. Olynik is a good sub grappler. Unless he catches Rosholt, I expect him to get smothered for 3 rounds. Rosholt UD.

Chico Camus vs Brad Pickett

Gimme fight on paper for Pickett. He has looked old, less powerful, and slow since dropping. Camus is not good and making his 125lb debut, so who knows how he will look. Pickett is a better striker and has underrated grappling. Pickett UD

Edson Barboza vs Bobby Green

Very interesting fight. Hopefully Green doesn't kick Barboza in the nuts like he always does. Green is a good boxer with solid wrestler. Barboza is a great muy thai fighter with devastating kicks. His weakness tho is pressure wrestle boxers who cut off the cage and don't allow him to get a rhythm. Varner did and Castillo did it for a round. Green is better then both those guys. Plus, Barboza chin is glassy and he doesn't respond to getting hit well at all. Hopefully the drama in Green's life and possibly retiring wont affect him. Green TKO RD 1

Cub Swanson vs Frankie Edgar

Great fight. But I have the sneaky feeling this fight was made strictly to screw Cub out of the title shot for Connor. Either guy has a chance to win. But I think Edgar will win. Hes honestly probably the best fw outside Aldo. The footwork, speed, wrestler, and boxing is all top notch. Cub is the more dynamic, diverse striker. But he has a tendency to fight recklessly. Stephens was tagging him before his hands broke. Same with Poirer. He used his grappling to win those fights. Hes not outgrappling Frankie. His only way of winning is catching Edgar early since hes notorious for starting out slow and doing nothing in RD 1. But as Maynard found out, Edgar is almost impossible to finish. And he only gets better in deeper rounds. Edgar UD.

 

[WhodatWhoadi]

Cub Swanson vs Frankie Edgar

Great fight. But I have the sneaky feeling this fight was made strictly to screw Cub out of the title shot for Connor. Either guy has a chance to win. But I think Edgar will win. Hes honestly probably the best fw outside Aldo. The footwork, speed, wrestler, and boxing is all top notch. Cub is the more dynamic, diverse striker. But he has a tendency to fight recklessly. Stephens was tagging him before his hands broke. Same with Poirer. He used his grappling to win those fights. Hes not outgrappling Frankie. His only way of winning is catching Edgar early since hes notorious for starting out slow and doing nothing in RD 1. But as Maynard found out, Edgar is almost impossible to finish. And he only gets better in deeper rounds. Edgar UD.

man I like edgar...but damn Cub deserves his shot...he is a way different fighter since the last time him and aldo fight...