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Piff Perkins

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When I was trying to be an artist, I was briefly being managed by a cat that was managing a producer that was part of a HOT production team (It was a collective of 3 producers… one ended up getting hot as fish grease and caught a run). This was before it was acceptable for a non street nikka to break out the south with bars. So they had me pivot and write to their beats…

I had to write FULL joints. Not hooks and bridge snippets. Full joints. And that’s when I was given the game how the shyt works. It’s not just pop and R&B.

“We recorded 100 joints working on this project”…

If you think these artists are writing all their shyt, you’re sadly mistaken.

Kendrick used to do this at Def Jam before getting the Interscope deal. He wrote reference tracks for rappers, hooks, etc. He still writes for other artists, as the Keem leaks show, and it's obvious he's written multiple songs for Doja Cat. It's certainly true that reference tracks get passed around. But there's a difference between getting a hook and having someone write your verse. We've all seen the Black Album doc where Kanye literally gives Jay a reference track that includes the hook, bridge, and melody to Lucifer. We literally watched Jay recite the "man I gotta get my soul right..." bridge and nobody said Kanye is writing for Jay. Because nobody gave a fukk about a bridge in a rap song.

People trying to normalize or downplay the Drake shyt are constantly being disingenuous by conflating hooks with entire verses and entire songs. This dude has entire songs written for him, from verses to melodies. He doesn't contribute jack shyt in multiple documented cases. I'm not saying he's never written a song in his life but it's very clear that large portions of his music come from other people. That's not normal and it's not something Kendrick, Cole, or any other respected rapper does.
 
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