You don’t truly think criminals that have been recorded on tap lines, caught with guns and have snitches confesses about murders are being prosecuted due to rap lyrics are you?
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I think the lyrics part is trash unless you actually confess crimes or gang membership. You can’t believe a man saying he shoots at people in one song, then not believe him when he says he doesn’t commit crimes in another song and on.
So as far as the lyrics goes that’s wack in this case, but for Thug they seem to have stacked a whole lot more than lyrics. Wire taps, cars, snitched, witnesses and on.. so come on breh
nikka I didn’t say the lyrics is the only thing they’re using. I said that that’s the reason why hip hop is going on trial. Stop acting like Joe haven’t been vocal on not letting lyrics in the court room since even before this trial. NY just banned lyrics from being in court and they applauded that. Y’all nikkas being disingenuous as hell.
And FYI I’m not out here screaming Free Young Thug and YSL.
joe is a clown for that. I'd get it if they weren't doing shyt, but like i said before: y'all really think lyrics shouldn't be admissable in court because they said some shyt over a beat? threatening folks and bragging about beatin bodies shouldn't be used in court proceedings????
Piff Perkins
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I've said it before but at what point do people admit many parts of "the culture" revel in violence and criminal shyt? If you're rapping about killing your opps, shouting out your shooters, bragging about robberies you're actually involved in...you have crossed well beyond the lines of art and gone into a realm where you might not like the ending. It's impossible to deny some (not all) of this shyt is straight up crime documentation and confessions over a beat. And if prosecutors or the government can prove it in court why should I feel upset or like "the culture" is on trial.
As far as I'm concerned, "the culture" can die. People talked so much about the video that they kinda ignored what Kendrick was saying about the culture in Heart V but...Joe and them talked about it. And for them to then immediately start defending this YSL shyt days/weeks later just shows how ingrained this shyt is. At one point no one said "the culture." We're at a point where the only thing gate keepers do is help labels sell white shyt to black people (specifically black women), pimp products (often alcohol), and perpetuate a hustler lifestyle that isn't sustainable for most people. Yet when shyt hits the fan and someone or something from "the culture" is put on the Summer Jam screen, nobody takes responsibility or even discusses it intelligently. We either turn a blind eye and just let someone rot (Cassanova) or start a half assed campaign to free people who probably did something they should pay for (Thug/YSL). While pretending we are the victims or under fire lol.
The culture is brain rot.
As far as I'm concerned, "the culture" can die. People talked so much about the video that they kinda ignored what Kendrick was saying about the culture in Heart V but...Joe and them talked about it. And for them to then immediately start defending this YSL shyt days/weeks later just shows how ingrained this shyt is. At one point no one said "the culture." We're at a point where the only thing gate keepers do is help labels sell white shyt to black people (specifically black women), pimp products (often alcohol), and perpetuate a hustler lifestyle that isn't sustainable for most people. Yet when shyt hits the fan and someone or something from "the culture" is put on the Summer Jam screen, nobody takes responsibility or even discusses it intelligently. We either turn a blind eye and just let someone rot (Cassanova) or start a half assed campaign to free people who probably did something they should pay for (Thug/YSL). While pretending we are the victims or under fire lol.
The culture is brain rot.
I’m only talking about Likes as regards him and Young Thug, using Young Thug like some type prime victim of this war on hiphop thing. That’s disingenuous, by the definition.
Who else got a case this big and they’re using hip hop lyrics in it?They literally took down a whole prominent label and y’all saying this has no impact on hip hop
It was actually the same episode lol
Joe's take on ownership is so flippy depending on who's around. He always talking about never wanting to come up off any of his shyt and want 100% ownership, etc.
But then when they bring up Jay Z selling Ace of Spades and Nick Cannon brought up selling Wild N Out its
But then when they bring up Jay Z selling Ace of Spades and Nick Cannon brought up selling Wild N Out its
Piff Perkins
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It's the difference between a guy who has had a job/understands corporation structure/has an agent/etc vs a guy who doesn't. Joe revels in his ignorance on virtually every topic so it's not surprising his idea for Nick Cannon would be "ask for double whatever you get now because you aren't getting paid enough." Hasn't seen the contract, hasn't seen the financials, prob doesn't know the show ratings. But if you're a creative you should get paid more. Unless you work for Joe, at which point you should be ok with whatever crumbs he sees fit to give you.Joe talking about "I dont know what he gets paid, But whatever it is it ain't enough". Nick Cannon sitting there like
Thats the biggest issue with Joe vs a Nick Cannon or Charlemagne
RnM admitted they weren't getting crumbs, stop cappin
Piff Perkins
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Not sure I'm buying the concept of a "fukk you" album. Sure, it exists and has happened before (see: Marvin Gaye, Here My Dear). But I think there's some bias involved in determining what is a "fukk you" album based on performance and whether people like it. Was that ehh Bryson Tiller album a fukk you? What about the Roddy album?
In the case of Kendrick, I don't think he gives a fukk about TDE and wants to build his own shyt now...but who in their right mind would take 5 years to drop a "fukk you" album as their first offering on a new startup label (pglang)? That doesn't make sense. I think Kendrick did what he does...marry himself to a conceptual idea, base his entire album around it, and sometimes you hit and sometimes you don't. He certainly knew this one wasn't gonna be DAMN, just like he knew TPAB wasn't gonna be GKMC. And in both cases the label reacted accordingly. They literally told radio "play whatever you want" when TPAB came out...they knew it had no singles and were likely caught off guard by Alright's success. And with the new album they got singles but clearly no hits.
All I can say for sure is that Kendrick can't take 5 years again. I think him and his team figured out that the tour is where the real money is, and that will be the focus....and no I don't buy the idea that traditional touring will be replaced by online shyt, as Joe has alluded to. Labels will simply have alternative ways of making money via online stuff - maybe you sell more tour specials to Netflix/HBO/etc like Beyonce. Maybe you do some live shows in the metaverse, sponsored by Facebook/Meta. Who knows. But nobody is turning down grossing 50mil+ on a major tour anytime soon.
In the case of Kendrick, I don't think he gives a fukk about TDE and wants to build his own shyt now...but who in their right mind would take 5 years to drop a "fukk you" album as their first offering on a new startup label (pglang)? That doesn't make sense. I think Kendrick did what he does...marry himself to a conceptual idea, base his entire album around it, and sometimes you hit and sometimes you don't. He certainly knew this one wasn't gonna be DAMN, just like he knew TPAB wasn't gonna be GKMC. And in both cases the label reacted accordingly. They literally told radio "play whatever you want" when TPAB came out...they knew it had no singles and were likely caught off guard by Alright's success. And with the new album they got singles but clearly no hits.
All I can say for sure is that Kendrick can't take 5 years again. I think him and his team figured out that the tour is where the real money is, and that will be the focus....and no I don't buy the idea that traditional touring will be replaced by online shyt, as Joe has alluded to. Labels will simply have alternative ways of making money via online stuff - maybe you sell more tour specials to Netflix/HBO/etc like Beyonce. Maybe you do some live shows in the metaverse, sponsored by Facebook/Meta. Who knows. But nobody is turning down grossing 50mil+ on a major tour anytime soon.
Sir Richard Spirit
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No. They are not pulling random lyrics and charging him for some shyt that never happened. They have victims, wiretaps, snitches. They raided his house and found weapons and drugs. They tapped his burner in jail. They found a stash of burner phones. They have dudes asking him for permission to kill someone.
All this before was established without a lyric being used. The warrants, the statements, wiretaps came from him and his homies being idiots. Not lyrics.
nikka I already said that
The lyrics ain’t gonna make or break the case, but they’re still fighting and have been advocating for not allowing hip hop lyrics in court. The fukk can’t y’all separate shyt for?