The Official Israel-Gaza Thread

[42 Monks]

This just solidifies how misinformation is a national security risk. Look at all the anger in the Arab world in the last 24hrs. Protests at embassies, threats of war in Iran, security meetings cancelled, all potentially over a false claim. More information is coming out but you cant deny this effect.

This is what happens when you support a “fake news” narrative to the masses and want to rely on “citizen journalism” with no ethics code, fact checking, accountability or legit educational credentials. It’s just everyone rushing for likes, and attention for bs ad revenue and “impressions”. Everything becomes propaganda and chaos ensues. Its like living in bizarro world

Israel could do themselves some favors by not taking credit for it on social media then deleting posts after the fact for what its worth

On top of that, if they'd actually let third parties in to establish safe zones, provide humanitarian aid, etc - then there'd be some folks on the ground more than able to independently investigate and verify as necessary.

The story wouldn't be "we investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong. no, seriously this time" after bombing agreed upon safe passage routes, reuters journalists, and designated UN relief centers just days earlier while boasting about turning Gaza into dust for a whole week. They set that table all on their own with all the favorable short-term framing they could've asked for as a headstart.

 

[AyBrehHam Linkin]

This just solidifies how misinformation is a national security risk. Look at all the anger in the Arab world in the last 24hrs. Protests at embassies, threats of war in Iran, security meetings cancelled, all potentially over a false claim. More information is coming out but you cant deny this effect.

This is what happens when you support a “fake news” narrative to the masses and want to rely on “citizen journalism” with no ethics code, fact checking, accountability or legit educational credentials. It’s just everyone rushing for likes and attention, for bs ad revenue and “impressions”. Everything becomes propaganda and chaos ensues. Its like living in bizarro world

I get your point but the Arab world has a full right to be angry about this

It's 2023 and we still have European settler nations causing havoc on poor brown people with the backing of powerful empires. Is this 2023 or the age of discovery and colonization?

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

 

[42 Monks]

I'm still in awe at the fact that hostage retrieval is apparently completely secondary to the IDF's wounded pride. I didn't expect much but goddamn.

 

[NZA]

another one down

raw

 

[Micky Mikey]

This just solidifies how misinformation is a national security risk. Look at all the anger in the Arab world in the last 24hrs. Protests at embassies, threats of war in Iran, security meetings cancelled, all potentially over a false claim. More information is coming out but you cant deny this effect.

This is what happens when you support a “fake news” narrative to the masses and want to rely on “citizen journalism” with no ethics code, fact checking, accountability or legit educational credentials. It’s just everyone rushing for likes and attention, for bs ad revenue and “impressions”. Everything becomes propaganda and chaos ensues. Its like living in bizarro world

If the bombing of the hospital never happened the Arab world would still be enraged by the continuous bombing Israel is doing. Lets not pretend that Israel hasn't already slaughtered hundreds (if not thousands) of women and children since its campaign began. The hospital strike was just the tipping point. Women and children are being blown to bits as we speak probably. I do agree that we shouldn't have rushed to judgement. However, given Israels track record can you really blame anyone for automatically thinking they striked the hospital?

 

[BK The Great]

 

[mastermind]

New War on Terror

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

This was a fukkin tour de force

We need a lot more of this. Only equal sarcastic absurdity can address absurd propaganda. Mark Twain’s satire of King Leopold II comes to mind.

 

[Dillah810]

 

[newarkhiphop]

 

[Professor Emeritus]

He was really into suicide bombings

Interestingly, though, it appears they avoiding targeting civilians until anger at an Israeli who did it first.


In February 1994, Baruch Goldstein, a Jewish settler in military fatigues, massacred 29 Muslims at prayer in the Ibrahimi Mosque in Hebron in the West Bank during the month of Ramadan. An additional 19 Palestinians were killed by Israeli forces in the ensuing riots.[130] Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin condemned the massacre but fearing a confrontation with Hebron's violent settler community, he refused to withdraw them,[108] and Hamas swore to avenge the deaths. In a communique it announced that if Israel didn't discriminate between "fighters and civilians" then it would be "forced ... to treat the Zionists in the same manner. Treating like with like is a universal principle."[131]

The Hebron massacre had a profound effect on Hamas' militancy. For its first seven years, it attacked only what it saw as "legitimate military targets," Israeli soldiers and military installations.[132] But following the massacre, it felt that it no longer had to distinguish between military and civilian targets. The leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in the West Bank, Sheikh Ahmed Haj Ali, later argued that "had there not been the 1994 Ibrahimi Mosque massacre, there would have been no suicide bombings." Al-Rantisi in an interview in 1998 stated that the suicide attacks "began after the massacre committed by the terrorist Baruch Goldstein and intensified after the assassination of Yahya Ayyash."[133] Musa Abu Marzouk put the blame for the escalation on the Israelis: "We were against targeting civilians ... After the Hebron massacre we determined that it was time to kill Israel's civilians ... we offered to stop if Israel would, but they rejected that offer."[134]

According to Matti Steinberg, former advisor to Shin Bet and one of Israel's leading experts on Hamas, the massacre laid to rest an internal debate within Hamas on the usefulness of indiscriminate violence: "In the Hamas writings there is an explicit prohibition against indiscriminate harm to helpless people. The massacre at the mosque released them from this taboo and introduced a dimension of measure for measure, based on citations from the Koran."[108]

Hamas - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Loose]

Supporting Israel unconditionally like this to go into gaza is definitely going to be a failed policy.

 

[Worthless Loser]

Supporting Israel unconditionally like this to go into gaza is definitely going to be a failed policy.

Young voters are fickle and everything is a purity test. They will fold at a moment's notice which is why they are not reliable.

I think as of now Biden actually has the majority support on this. It's just the minority or opposition is the loudest which is why it may come off more forceful and noticeable. I think this will help him with Independents and old school anti-Trump Reagan Republicans who are key voting blocks needed to win in small margin states.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

This is amazing. Bassem is a living legend in Egypt but I had no idea his wife was Palestinian.