Uchiha God
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The Official "Genshin Impact" Thread
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wasn’t able to get through the whole video so I didn’t even get to his genshin specific complaints. With that being said Genshin is a high quality game and the paid gacha aspect feels secondary at times when they give out so many free primos and quests every now and then to get free characters. I’m also a PS5 player so it keeps me fed when I’m waiting for more games to come out.
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not true lol, no offense, but the game and it's gameplay systems, like any other gacha, are intrinsically tethered to the gacha nature of the game. that's not to say that it's a bad game however. I'm a big fan of the game, but, in fact, in terms of "generosity", Genshin is one of the worst gacha games out, now that could be due to it being new/fresh and potentially change in the future, but currently, it's one of the poorest in this regard.
also, it's always best to fully watch something before approaching it
Maybe it’s cause I’ve never played any other gacha games but can you elaborate on how it’s one of the worst? They give primos out like candy and I regularly skip banners cause there’s only a few characters I’d even want.not true lol, no offense, but the game and it's gameplay systems, like any other gacha, are intrinsically tethered to the gacha nature of the game. that's not to say that it's a bad game however. I'm a big fan of the game, but, in fact, in terms of "generosity", Genshin is one of the worst gacha games out, now that could be due to it being new/fresh and potentially change in the future, but currently, it's one of the poorest in this regard.
also, it's always best to fully watch something before approaching it
I’d usually watch a vid but cmon breh it’s 90 min lol
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I do appreciate it's a lengthy video. When I posted it I had no expectations of anyone watching it. It's sunday, I have free time, and found it to be both informative as well as accurate in both criticisms and praise. I'm just saying, if you're going to approach something, be it a piece of content or general discussion, it's always best to be fully knowledgeable rather than taking random stabs in the dark.
Genshin is not a generous gacha game. Exorbitant prices aside, Genshin events usually provide around 300 primo gems, if that. Isolated, without thinking, 300 seems like a big number, however, in-game, that doesn't even amount to two pulls. a 5* limited item guarantee takes 90 pulls, depending on luck it might take 180 pulls for a specific item (270 pulls on weapon banner). Other, more popular gachas, regularly offer recurrent, non-paid for, login bonuses, multiple pulls per events, multiple pulls for returning players etc. I think even Honkai Impact, by the same developer does this, as well as sales and bonuses on/for currencies. If you do preliminary research on the subject; "why is genshin so stingy" you'll find multiple discussion results on why the game is particularly bad in this regard when compared to its peers.
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I’m at 65 wishes. Hopefully I win the 50/50 and get Baal. Just taking my time leveling up Sayu for now.
not true lol, no offense, but the game and it's gameplay systems, like any other gacha, are intrinsically tethered to the gacha nature of the game. that's not to say that it's a bad game however. I'm a big fan of the game, but, in fact, in terms of "generosity", Genshin is one of the worst gacha games out, now that could be due to it being new/fresh and potentially change in the future, but currently, it's one of the poorest in this regard.
also, it's always best to fully watch something before approaching it
I agree with the 2nd half of your post, don't agree with the 1st half.
There's content creators like Enviosity that haven't spent a dime. They're completely F2P, and have done everything in the game.
If you can do all the content in the game free of charge then I definitely wouldn't say the game play is "intrinsically tethered" to gacha. That implies you're being locked out of certain things if you don't spend money.
Fred.
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But it is though. Intrinsically tethered doesn’t translate to impossible to play the game without spending money or being locked out. It doesn’t imply that at all. It simply means that it is tethered to the gacha nature of the game.
Are we going to sit here and act like progression in this game and its rate/lack thereof, and gameplay systems aren’t tethered by resin?
come on breh, early on people raged so much about not being able to play the game due to resin Mihoyo PR’d that they’d look into a solution and ended up just raising the resin cap when people wanted them to up resin refresh rate too. Countless videos of whales and leviathans spending bread to refresh resin so they’re able to make any sort of reasonable progress.
But it is though. Intrinsically tethered doesn’t translate to impossible to play the game without spending money or being locked out. It doesn’t imply that at all. It simply means that it is tethered to the gacha nature of the game.
Are we going to sit here and act like progression in this game and its rate/lack thereof, and gameplay systems aren’t tethered by resin?
come on breh, early on people raged so much about not being able to play the game due to resin Mihoyo PR’d that they’d look into a solution and ended up just raising the resin cap when people wanted them to up resin refresh rate too. Countless videos of whales and leviathans spending bread to refresh resin so they’re able to make any sort of reasonable progress.
"Intrinsically" means "essentially". It's not essential to spend money on the game if there are streamers that can clear Spiral Abyss (currently the hardest content in the game, besides limited events like Vagabond Sword) while spending zero dollars.
Resin system is trash but that has nothing to do with gacha.
Gacha by definition is the "toy vending machine" style of game play. Where you gamble (in this case, with the primogems) to obtain a random item or character.
You're mixing two separate issues.
And no, none of the whales....Tectone, Tenha, Mtash (before he went F2P), AsianGuy, Zeals (before he quit streaming), etc....spend money to refresh resin because they can't make "reasonable progress". They do it to max out shyt like artifacts (which again, is another issue separate from resin and the gacha aspects of the game) because they're obsessed with perfecting their characters.
I mean....these guys spend $2,000-$4,000 per character/weapon banner....do you seriously think they're gonna be content with the same artifacts you and I use?
So....yeah. This game has various issues but you don't have to spend a dime on it to do any of the content currently in the game. If they add Spiral Abyss floor 13-20 or some crazy shyt where the enemy levels scale far beyond what a F2P could ever hope to over come....that would be closer to what you're talking about.
Fred.
You can actually do all this with any one element in any stage.
I just do all Electro focused in the most heavy traffic area of the map then upgrade them as I get points through out the waves.
It's damn near impossible to lose now.
Fred.
You can actually do all this with any one element in any stage.
I just do all Electro focused in the most heavy traffic area of the map then upgrade them as I get points through out the waves.
It's damn near impossible to lose now.
Fred.
Yeah I was thinking that would work just didn't feel like experimenting with it. I got all the primos and elegance scrolls so I'm done with it.
Uchiha God
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"Intrinsically" means "essentially". It's not essential to spend money on the game if there are streamers that can clear Spiral Abyss (currently the hardest content in the game, besides limited events like Vagabond Sword) while spending zero dollars.
Resin system is trash but that has nothing to do with gacha.
Gacha by definition is the "toy vending machine" style of game play. Where you gamble (in this case, with the primogems) to obtain a random item or character.
You're mixing two separate issues.
And no, none of the whales....Tectone, Tenha, Mtash (before he went F2P), AsianGuy, Zeals (before he quit streaming), etc....spend money to refresh resin because they can't make "reasonable progress". They do it to max out shyt like artifacts (which again, is another issue separate from resin and the gacha aspects of the game) because they're obsessed with perfecting their characters.
I mean....these guys spend $2,000-$4,000 per character/weapon banner....do you seriously think they're gonna be content with the same artifacts you and I use?
So....yeah. This game has various issues but you don't have to spend a dime on it to do any of the content currently in the game. If they add Spiral Abyss floor 13-20 or some crazy shyt where the enemy levels scale far beyond what a F2P could ever hope to over come....that would be closer to what you're talking about.
Fred.
again, progression in this game and its rate/lack thereof, and gameplay systems are tethered by resin, intrinsically. That's to say it's core to the design from inception. Natural = intrinsic. The same dictionary you got the "essential" definition from surely expounded on this.
gacha and progression gatekeeping/time gating systems have a symbiotic relationship, they don't exist in a vacuum in this context. you appear to like literal definitions so:
Gacha games are video games that implement the gacha (capsule-toy vending machine) mechanic ... Most of these games are free-to-play mobile games, where the gacha serves as an incentive to spend real-world money.
I believe most of us here are familiar with content releases in these games, at least I assume most in this thread are familiar with content release in Genshin. It's an expanding world and story. Time gating then becomes a necessity due to the Gacha nature of the game, hence the existence of the Resin system, to help achieve/incentivize players into spending real-world money either through resin refresh or simply by ensuring you return daily (the more . If people could "lowlife"/play this game as much as they'd want, the result would most likely be a substantial drop in player base, with upticks every major update, rather than a steady group of players login in daily and who are more likely to succumb to said "incentives" to spend real world currency. these aren't new concepts. here's a post that elaborates on what I'm talking about:
min-maxing is literally progression. if you're refreshing resin to min-max, you're refreshing resin to progress. and don't think this is limited to "content creators". what are we talking about?
your interpretation of my words are your damage, not mine. what i'm talking about is what i'm talking about.
again, progression in this game and its rate/lack thereof, and gameplay systems are tethered by resin, intrinsically. That's to say it's core to the design from inception. Natural = intrinsic. The same dictionary you got the "essential" definition from surely expounded on this.
gacha and progression gatekeeping/time gating systems have a symbiotic relationship, they don't exist in a vacuum in this context. you appear to like literal definitions so:
Gacha games are video games that implement the gacha (capsule-toy vending machine) mechanic ... Most of these games are free-to-play mobile games, where the gacha serves as an incentive to spend real-world money.
I believe most of us here are familiar with content releases in these games, at least I assume most in this thread are familiar with content release in Genshin. It's an expanding world and story. Time gating then becomes a necessity due to the Gacha nature of the game, hence the existence of the Resin system, to help achieve/incentivize players into spending real-world money either through resin refresh or simply by ensuring you return daily (the more . If people could "lowlife"/play this game as much as they'd want, the result would most likely be a substantial drop in player base, with upticks every major update, rather than a steady group of players login in daily and who are more likely to succumb to said "incentives" to spend real world currency. these aren't new concepts. here's a post that elaborates on what I'm talking about:
min-maxing is literally progression. if you're refreshing resin to min-max, you're refreshing resin to progress. and don't think this is limited to "content creators". what are we talking about?
your interpretation of my words are your damage, not mine. what i'm talking about is what i'm talking about.
Again, if you can do all the content in the game (like Enviosity) without spending a dime then choosing to spend money because you ran out of resin isn't "intrinsic" to the game design.
Is it ideal? No.
Does the resin system suck? Yes.
Both of those things aren't necessarily related to the gacha aspects of the game though.
Why?
Because again, and hopefully for the last time....if you can do all the content in the game without min-maxing (like Enviosity) then Tectone or Tenha blowing $200 to refresh their resin, weekly, so they can min-max....is obviously not essential. It might shave a couple minutes off a Spiral Abyss run, that's it.
It goes back to what I was telling @Khalil's_Black_Excellence. My Eula can do 500k damage no problem. The highest HP an enemy has ever had, is 2 million. In a limited event, with +175% HP turned on which you didn't even need to clear out the shop.
The gacha system sucks, artifact farming sucks, the resin system sucks....but you do not need to spend money or min-max in this game, at all, to do any of it.
Fred.
Yeah I was thinking that would work just didn't feel like experimenting with it. I got all the primos and elegance scrolls so I'm done with it.
I just cleared out the shop using a single element on every stage. Even got the name card thing.
Only thing that kinda sucked was stage 9 and 10 had some bad elemental combinations (waves of fire enemies and electro enemies) so pyro and electro basically did nothing. Had to use anemo to clear stage 10.
Fred.