Essential The Official Football (Soccer) Thread - It's Amad World

[EQ.]

 

[concise]

no idea breh, but people have done it

if he's a mod maybe open the bet , shift time, put bet in, close it again. at least that was done in the old forum style.

didnt care enough to say anything tbh

 

[dennis roadman]

Wonder if any Portuguese colonialists exploited the blending of peoples in Brazil like Salazar exploited Mozambique and Angola?

Thanks for dropping the knowledge

no doubt

salazar didn't get the idea from nowhere, he was a dictator of a colony-holding country just like the monarchs before him

he ramped it up a bit though as part of his Novo Estado plan. he didnt have centuries of lineage behind him like Pedro and his peoples did, so he had to build on this idea of "pan-portuguese"

The Portuguese never had enough numbers to control the colonies even though they were recorded to have made first contact with Africans in large portions of Southern Africa. Some of the offspring of Portuguese men and Africans were accorded higher stature in society and also land ownership especially in Mozambique were they termed them prazos. There was some limited form of race mixing in English colonies and the offspring designated coloureds were not given as much political power as mixed race or what they called assimilados in Portuguese colonies. In Angola it lead to a situation were anti-colonialist movements fractured on racial and ethic lines, the mestizos and assimilated blacks backed by Portuguese leftists won power from Savimbi and his Africanist. Its not suprising to find black Angolans who do not speak an African language because they were deemed to have been fully assimilated and i think they also carry Portuguese last names for the most part.

i only know about 10 angolans, but only one of them has an african name, the rest all portuguese. the names of those i know might as well be brazilian or portuguese themselves, they even carry the same naming method. not sure if any of them speak local languages, but i dont think they do. on the other hand, i know a lot of francophone west africans who speak at least 2 local languages.

the portuguese were really, really awful at handling their colonies, which is not such a bad thing in hindsight, they were misguidedly paternalistic and condescending but that was because they were generally smart enough to know they couldn't sustain the brutality that other european powers used. not to say shyt was a walk in the park for mozambique or angola or anywhere else, but at least it wasn't belgium (an admittedly atrocious standard)

 

[Roaden Polynice]

Looking at that Banks album in iTunes.

September 9th?

Sometimes you gotta wonder what these record labels are thinking. That's gonna leak and no one will even remember it by September 9th.

But this all sorta moot I reckon. I'm contemplating whether or not living in a world where Iggy Azalea is a thing is worth it or not.

 

[yoyoyo1]

penny's thread, brilliant.

 

[dennis roadman]

just went to @penfield profile page and see he's following r=g and vice versa

first off

second at that unholy alliance of coli heels

 

[TTT]

There's still gotta be some tensions between the countries though? I remember a friendly between Angola and Portugal was pretty heated, and there was fear that the 2006 World Cup group stage game would go the same route. Or was that an unrelated occurrence?

Match abandoned with Angola down to six | Football | theguardian.com

I don't think the tension is as strong as the Algerian-French one, i think it was mostly football. The Angolan elite are generally not as hostile to the Portuguese IMO. I think it might be the fact that after colonization they immediately got plunged into a civil war that lasted decades which was mostly under the Cold War influenced ideological battles. Whereas other countries have parties that derive legitimacy from the anti-colonial struggle they had the added element of a brutal civil war that changed and possibly overshadowed the earlier colonial struggle.

 

[frush11]

brazilian government engineered this quasi astroturf social movement a while back where people were "brazilian" instead of black, white, etc. a lotta folk still subscribe to that today, which in a way is a good thing, they have a national identity stronger than in the US, but it also gives people a seemingly legit reason to quash racial discussions, which is obviously bad

ironically enough, if white america had been more inclusive of darker skinned people born here, they'd be able to do the same.

it's also that many brazilians have black, white, asian, brown ancestry all mixed up (which is also partly due to government encouragement ). in general portuguese colonization is a tale of race-mixing, while english colonies didn't get down like that. the lines are more clear cut in the former anglophone colonies

If you haven't, you should check out this book by Michael George Blanchard Hanchard 'Orpheus and Power, The Movimento Negro of Rio and Sao Paulo, 1945-1988. One off the best books, i've read on racial politics.

It basically talks about the way Elite Whites were able to con everyone into believing in the Brasilian "Racial Democracy", although every aspect of Brasilian society was/ and still is infested by racist ideology. And how because of that, Black movements never had any chance to form or really gain any sustained momentum.


Honestly, as brutal and just downright evil as the shyt Blacks Americans had to deal with, at least, they knew what they were up against. And the society at large never hid it's agenda against them.

 

[dennis roadman]

I don't think the tension is as strong as the Algerian-French one, i think it was mostly football. The Angolan elite are generally not as hostile to the Portuguese IMO. I think it might be the fact that after colonization they immediately got plunged into a civil war that lasted decades which was mostly under the Cold War influenced ideological battles. Whereas other countries have parties that derive legitimacy from the anti-colonial struggle they had the added element of a brutal civil war that changed and possibly overshadowed the earlier colonial struggle.

it's flipped completely now that portugal is poor as fukk and angola has oil. the people the portuguese elites put in power are making dough while those same portuguese are assed out.

If you haven't, you should check out this book by Michael George Blanchard Hanchard 'Orpheus and Power, The Movimento Negro of Rio and Sao Paulo, 1945-1988. One off the best books, i've read on racial politics.

It basically talks about the way Elite Whites were able to con everyone into believing in the Brasilian "Racial Democracy", although every aspect of Brasilian society was/ and still is infested by racist ideology. And how because of that, Black movements never had any chance to form or really gain any sustained momentum.

Honestly, as brutal and just downright evil as the shyt Blacks Americans had to deal with, at least, they knew what they were up against. And the society at large never hid it's agenda against them.

thanks for the tip, sounds like a good book. the bold is incorrect tho. highly incorrect

 

[frush11]

it's flipped completely now that portugal is poor as fukk and angola has oil. the people the portuguese elites put in power are making dough while those same portuguese are assed out.


thanks for the tip, sounds like a good book. the bold is incorrect tho. highly incorrect

You lived in Brasil and have an intimate relationship with the country(i only have an academic one), but what exactly is incorrect, because all the stats, and numbers says otherwise.

 

[SubZeroDegrees]

penny's thread, brilliant.

They're furious as fukk .

 

[Roadie pipeher]

Wizards in the second round @horse. kills and @mastermind

 

[frush11]

I don't care that they didn't have Rose, or that the East is weak, we made the playoffs, and now. We going to the semis.

I want the Hawks, but they scare me a bit.

 

[yseJ]

Pep, hypothetical speaking.

 

[frush11]

Seriously I can't even get a post game show on local radio