Essential The Official Football (Soccer) Thread - It's Amad World

[Liu Kang]

About @penfield's thread.
There's a quote that surprised me an instant but then I realized it was the American freedom of speech but I'll need a few explanations from you US brehs.

Actions and Words breh, there is a difference.

Would you rather a homeless person call you a n***er?
Or a restaurant refuse you service for being black?

I'll give you a hint.

The first case is that homeless person's legal right and protected by the first amendment.
The second case is illegal.

So insulting somebody on a racial or sexist basis is really legal in the US ? Like imagine if the NBA commissioner used the n-word during his press-conference yesterday, nothing would have happened to him (legally speaking) for real ? People would have shrugged and said "well, he has the right, he's protected by the first amendment..." ? I'm a little astonished that your freedom of speech goes that far honestly. Can somebody confirm ?

I ask because in France, if somebody did that, I could sue him and win the case easily. Same if it's a sexist or homophobic insult for example.

 

[dennis roadman]

About @penfield's thread.
There's a quote that surprised me an instant but then I realized it was the American freedom of speech but I'll need a few explanations from you US brehs.

So insulting somebody on a racial or sexist basis is really legal in the US ? Like imagine if the NBA commissioner used the n-word during his press-conference yesterday, nothing would have happened to him (legally speaking) for real ? People would have shrugged and said "well, he has the right, he's protected by the first amendment..." ? I'm a little astonished that your freedom of speech goes that far honestly. Can somebody confirm ?

I ask because in France, if somebody did that, I could sue him and win the case easily. Same if it's a sexist or homophobic insult for example.

it's really hard to win a court case when you sue someone for libel and/or slander. the luis suarez and john terry cases in this country were looked at like by a lot of people. not the situations themselves, but the resulting legal processes

so the commish can say that, but it's now our right to lead a boycott, call him a racist wannabe slave owner, and destroy his business and his reputation. it's really all about the bottom line. civil rights movements have essentially worked in this country because they were able to convince business owners and politicians that they're better off financially not shutting out a group of people just because of skin color.

when gay people started moving into castro, the heart of the gay rights movement, one of the first things they did was start shopping at all the stores owned by people that didn't like them. so the anti-gay business owners saw huge increases in revenue and fell back on the criticism and moves to push them out

also see sit-ins, students were able to fukk up the finances of local restaurants that the owners eventually just said fukk it, serve em, they're obviously not gonna stop. it was a flawed but very practical means of getting people to at least respect your dollar, which is really all that counts in the states

 

[concise]

About @penfield's thread.
There's a quote that surprised me an instant but then I realized it was the American freedom of speech but I'll need a few explanations from you US brehs.

So insulting somebody on a racial or sexist basis is really legal in the US ? Like imagine if the NBA commissioner used the n-word during his press-conference yesterday, nothing would have happened to him (legally speaking) for real ? People would have shrugged and said "well, he has the right, he's protected by the first amendment..." ? I'm a little astonished that your freedom of speech goes that far honestly. Can somebody confirm ?

I ask because in France, if somebody did that, I could sue him and win the case easily. Same if it's a sexist or homophobic insult for example.

Yes, insulting people is legal.
An insult is not the same as slander.

 

[Scottie Drippin]

About @penfield's thread.
There's a quote that surprised me an instant but then I realized it was the American freedom of speech but I'll need a few explanations from you US brehs.

So insulting somebody on a racial or sexist basis is really legal in the US ? Like imagine if the NBA commissioner used the n-word during his press-conference yesterday, nothing would have happened to him (legally speaking) for real ? People would have shrugged and said "well, he has the right, he's protected by the first amendment..." ? I'm a little astonished that your freedom of speech goes that far honestly. Can somebody confirm ?

I ask because in France, if somebody did that, I could sue him and win the case easily. Same if it's a sexist or homophobic insult for example.

Yeah as explained, he has the right to call you a godless sodomite.

You have the right to royally fukk his life up.

Again, what Sterling did isn't illegal. But as an owner in a league that has a worldwide platform, the commissioner can give him a lifetime ban-hanmmer and his board is now completely within rights to vote him out of the team. The sponsors can all pull their money from the team UNTIL he's gone, etc etc etc. That's how 'Murica operates. You can do all types of shyt. Government is gonna look at you like , it's the millions of people you pissed off that are going to through your life into the bushes.

 

[NSSVO]

Everyone on redcafe thinks we are going to buy two midfiedlers, a cb, and a lb with a possibility of a winger.

 

[mastermind]

did you hear lavarr going out of his way to agree with callers saying sterling was experiencing reverse racism

 

[mastermind]

Freedom of speech is freedom from government harassment over your speech. Government goes

While businesses and people go


And @horse. kills is right about social progress only being made when businesses and the elite deem it time. There was actually a scholarly article published on that very topic a few weeks ago.

The Government Listens To Lobbyists And The Wealthy, Not You And Me | ThinkProgress

 

[Roaden Polynice]

@Liu Kang

Here's the seventh explanation!

In the most basic terms, what the first amendment says is that the government can't enact any laws that would abridge the freedom of speech. But it's not that simple, there have been many many many cases about freedom of speech that SCOTUS has heard and there are also limitations to the right of freedom of speech e.g. fighting words (really narrowly defined, almost of no use today), obscenity etc. which are not protected by the first amendment.

What people don't understand usually is that it cuts both ways. Others have the freedom as well and the freedom of speech doesn't make you immune to criticism. You see it a lot in this country, people ranting and raving about their freedom of speech being taken away from them. So to give a different example I dunno if you heard about the Duck Dynasty (reality tv show) dude who did some interview railing against homosexuals and black people. A&E, the network his show was on, ended up terminating his contract because people were understandably outraged. As a result, a lot of right leaning politicians, conservative leaders and guffaw-machine Bobby Jindal leapt to his defense citing that his freedom of speech was violated when it wasn't at all. You can say all you want (basically) and you can be a dikk but that doesn't mean that people won't criticize you or that there won't be other consequences.

 

[#DatGuyWelbz]

I love Nene, a Black Brasilian, whose not a c00n

 

[Montez]

Does marrying a white woman make you c00n? I hate mixed kids more than interracial couple tbh

Also, @mastermind, @horse. kills, @frush11...WE DID IT brehs! Don't think ECF is beyond us.

 

[Scottie Drippin]

If you DC brehs transform into Wizards fans

 

[Scottie Drippin]

*31 years late*

just watched The King Of Comedy by Scorsese

What a movie. It might be even more cringeworthy than Taxi Driver

Honestly my favorite Scorcese joint. I think I like his comedies (The King of Comedy, After Hours, Wolf) than I do his serious movies

 

[Roaden Polynice]

Honestly my favorite Scorcese joint. I think I like his comedies (The King of Comedy, After Hours, Wolf) than I do his serious movies

It's an utterly brilliant movie and so fukking creepy. And there's not much really else to be said about the movie that hasn't been said, how it's weirdly prescient to today, how the ending while probably absurdist in the 80s isn't really all that far-fetched nowadays. Awesome

 

[Roaden Polynice]

I sometimes think about dudes who marry white women and they end up being the only white person in their immediate family.

I gotta sorta agree with interracial children though. I'm not saying I'm a model, or that everyone is a model, or that we have the right to JUDGE and be shallow, and we should try to have a modicum of DECENCY here, but some interracial people you see and you be like :avbehh:

 

[Scottie Drippin]

It's an utterly brilliant movie and so fukking creepy. And there's not much really else to be said about the movie that hasn't been said, how it's weirdly prescient to today, how the ending while probably absurdist in the 80s isn't really all that far-fetched nowadays. Awesome

It's super telling how much the industry has changed that Jerry Lewis wanted De Niro to kill him in the end, as he felt the way it did end really lacked a "finish". I imagine everyone from Jerry's era of entertainment saw stuff like that and was just like " what's the fukking point" whereas fast forward to now and if an ending isn't ambiguous everyone calls it cliched.