The Official Early(pre-1950s) Haitian History Thread

[Bawon Samedi]

Emblem of Haitian Empire

Emperor Soulouque

Empress Adelina

Princess Olivette

Jean Philippe Ville Lubin

Jean-Pierre Damien de Delva

A young Salomon during Soulouque reign

Prince Mainville-Joseph Soulouque (Soulouque Nephew) & Prince Alexandre Jean-Joseph (Soulouque Brother)

Louis Dufrene (Minister of War)

General Bissaou

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[BigMan]

Dop3

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Drawing of Emperor Soulouque ceremony. Mid 1800s

 

[King Sun]

The more I read about my people and find out new information and the fact that we are all connected at the hip In one way or another (Caribbean,south America, America

 

[BigMan]

Haiti is so Intresting to a history buff and part Haitian like me. Props

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Bolivar's pleas fell on deaf ears as far as governments went, with the exception of Haiti, whose president agreed to provide money and equipment. In March 1816, the first expedition sailed with 250 men in seven ships, an absurd force to engage the 10,000-strong royal army. They came across four Spanish vessels and were able to board two. They landed the next day at San Juan Griego and were warmly welcomed by the people. Another 300 joined what was called the Liberating Army. But shortly thereafter they were driven back and returned to Haiti for reprovisioning.
Biography of Simon Bolivar

Now why would Bolivar need money and troops from a failed state to take on the Spanish?

Connecting the dots

 

[Ego Noir]

Thanks!



Also are you talking about the very first post with with Boukman. The the latter two by the author Sylviane A. Diouf? Because the latter is a heavily researched book which was published by a serious academic press and she only theorizes that Boukman was a Muslim due to his name. But IMO he was most likely a voodoo priest.

From who was Boukman to the article by Diouf.

She theorized yes, but the rest of the article she ran with it and damn near eliminated the deep roots of vodou therein, and even failed to speak on what actually occurred at Bois Caiman which is knee deep in vodou mysticism. Not to mention ignoring Bridgette who was side by side with Boukman.

But instead she goes on a whole tangent about Muslims which may be lightly true but nowhere near the magnitude she's suggesting.

She's trying to remove the vodou element from it in an apologist argument all the while propping up Islam, which if you know the history symbolism, legends, and society of the Haitian people rural and urban modern and historic one would laugh at such a suggestion.


The logistics I'd agree with (as far as what occurred with the poisoning etc) But the platform and spirituality by which these things came to pass is not Muslim.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

"But this is not all that the Haitians did for the sacred cause of Humanity: the breath of God was on them. When the immortal Bolívar, vanquished and a fugitive, after the failure of his first effort, was seeking a place of refuge as well as help, it was in Haiti that he found both. The leader of the second American Republic, the chief of the Black people, in supplying Simón Bolívar with men and money, allowed him to resume the struggle, and to become later on the glorious liberator of the United States of Venezuela. This fact is but little known, although it has not been forgotten by the Venezuelans who have erected in a public place of Caracas, among their national heroes, a statue of Alexandre Pétion, President of Haiti."

Mons M. Charles Moravia, “Haiti — Past and Present,”

Simón Bolívar, Venezuela and Haiti

 

[Bawon Samedi]

From who was Boukman to the article by Diouf.

It was actually a book.

She theorized yes, but the rest of the article she ran with it and damn near eliminated the deep roots of vodou therein, and even failed to speak on what actually occurred at Bois Caiman which is knee deep in vodou mysticism. Not to mention ignoring Bridgette who was side by side with Boukman.

But instead she goes on a whole tangent about Muslims which may be lightly true but nowhere near the magnitude she's suggesting.

She's trying to remove the vodou element from it in an apologist argument all the while propping up Islam, which if you know the history symbolism, legends, and society of the Haitian people rural and urban modern and historic one would laugh at such a suggestion.

I don't know, but she did mention one Muslim figure as for the rest I believe it was mostly vodou. The book the author wrote was tying to show African Islamic influence in the New World and Haitian revolution was one topic she covered. But I think Boukman was not Muslim but some people do due to his name and also him being literate.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Speaking of Vodou. My favorte vodun loa.

Erzulie

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The image of Erzulie Dantor is based on the Black Madonna of Czestochowa, Catholic Poland’s most sacred relic and a national symbol. Haitians were exposed to images of the Black Madonna by Polish soldiers who fought alongside African Haitians against their French oppressors in the Haitian Revolution.

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[KeysT]

My first girl was Haitian

sak pase nikkas

 

[LeVraiPapi]

To add they built the Citadelle because it overlooks Cap-Haitian and they could fire long range canons from there. Funny how when you are in the Cap Haitien port you can barely see the fortress, but when you're up there it loioks so close. Christophe was a damn genius. Too bad, he became a psychopath and was killing his own. His beef and exchange with Petion So many quotables and chess moves.

Btw, that Muslim shyt is bullshyt. STraight up. Muslims trynna invade Haiti but they were always made fun of which is why they went to Trinidad and Ghana. Muslims have never been popular in Haiti, and they never will be

 

[Ego Noir]

It was actually a book.



I don't know, but she did mention one Muslim figure as for the rest I believe it was mostly vodou. The book the author wrote was tying to show African Islamic influence in the New World and Haitian revolution was one topic she covered. But I think Boukman was not Muslim but some people do due to his name and also him being literate.

My point exactly. It's a good read but she has an agenda.

It's bullshyt.

She labeled Muslims as the one that was seen as the center of 'an organized resistance against whites' she labeled the Muslims as the ones able to climb the ranks in slavery. She labeled the Muslims as the ones with the military expertise, occult power, and literacy by which the revolution became possible. And people are just attributing it to vodou and ignoring Islam.

The whole way that excerpt read is that it is by the foundation of Islam has the slaves conquered. I stand by my statement 100%, that is utter bullshyt.

Islam was never able to gain traction in Haiti. Bois Caiman was enacted in the name of Erzulie Dantor. and the roots of Haitian Vodou dig so deep even the coat of arms of Haiti is flooded with Vodou symbolism, and the declaration written in 1804 has vodou references.

How mainstream media feels and knows about Haitian Vodou (not the b*stardized word 'voodoo') is their own dispute, but fact remains the chief of the revolution is Haitian Vodou which has it's roots back to Vodun in Africa, and far beyond the inception of Islam.

And I'm not even a Vodouisant, but the truth is the truth.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

My point exactly. It's a good read but she has an agenda.

It's bullshyt.

She labeled Muslims as the one that was seen as the center of 'an organized resistance against whites' she labeled the Muslims as the ones able to climb the ranks in slavery. She labeled the Muslims as the ones with the military expertise, occult power, and literacy by which the revolution became possible. And people are just attributing it to vodou and ignoring Islam.

The whole way that excerpt read is that it is by the foundation of Islam has the slaves conquered. I stand by my statement 100%, that is utter bullshyt.

Islam was never able to gain traction in Haiti. Bois Caiman was enacted in the name of Erzulie Dantor. and the roots of Haitian Vodou dig so deep even the coat of arms of Haiti is flooded with Vodou symbolism, and the declaration written in 1804 has vodou references.

How mainstream media feels and knows about Haitian Vodou (not the b*stardized word 'voodoo') is their own dispute, but fact remains the chief of the revolution is Haitian Vodou which has it's roots back to Vodun in Africa, and far beyond the inception of Islam.

And I'm not even a Vodouisant, but the truth is the truth.

Agreed. Did you read the book? Because you sound like you did. Just saying.

 

[Ego Noir]

To add they built the Citadelle because it overlooks Cap-Haitian and they could fire long range canons from there. Funny how when you are in the Cap Haitien port you can barely see the fortress, but when you're up there it loioks so close. Christophe was a damn genius. Too bad, he became a psychopath and was killing his own. His beef and exchange with Petion So many quotables and chess moves.

Btw, that Muslim shyt is bullshyt. STraight up. Muslims trynna invade Haiti but they were always made fun of which is why they went to Trinidad and Ghana. Muslims have never been popular in Haiti, and they never will be

To be fair Petion was dangerous to the new state. Petion supported the Mulatto population and that is dangerous to the "black state' Christophe and Dessalines was trying to form. If anything give him power and it just might end up being that plantation politics where the mulatto rule the black majority