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Haitian rumor mill / grapevine / "repeating stories you haven't confirmed tendency" pops up, AGAIN.
MWEN TANDE, YO TE DI
Heard something about recent Hurricane from older female relatives that I tried to confirm today, but couldn't.
Spoilered it, wondering has anybody else heard people discussing what seems to be an unfounded story.
MWEN TANDE, YO TE DI
Heard something about recent Hurricane from older female relatives that I tried to confirm today, but couldn't.
Spoilered it, wondering has anybody else heard people discussing what seems to be an unfounded story.
Allegedly, a pastor in the Bahamas was fearmongering and blamed Haitian immigrants(and their voodoo practices) for the recent damage done by Hurricane Dorian . Allegedly Haitians were targeted and killed by locals after being prompted and angered by the words of the pastor.
I immediately checked the Miami Herald and found that
Long scorned in the Bahamas, Haitians living there fear what comes next after Dorian | Miami Herald
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Long scorned in the Bahamas, Haitians living there fear what comes next after Dorian
By Jacqueline Charles and
Jim Wyss
September 08, 2019 07:55 PM, Updated September 09, 2019 06:52 PM
Current Time 1:19
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Duration 1:51
First Beraca Baptist Church Pastor Pasterain Sitoir describes sanitary conditions and his account of Hurricane Dorian inside the church, in Marsh Harbour on Abaco Island on Sunday, September 8, 2019. By Al Diaz
MARSH HARBOUR, THE BAHAMAS
Hurricane Dorian, the most catastrophic storm to hit the Bahamas, has upended everyday routines.
On Sunday, St. Francis Catholic Church, an imposing round structure on a hill in Abaco, was still being used as an emergency shelter. All of its occupants were Haitians and Haitian Bahamians.
It was one of the few churches standing in a Haitian community where many houses of worship either collapsed or were partially destroyed.
“This storm did not carry only houses but ... people too; so many people get killed they don’t have time to pick them up,” said Pasterain Sitoir, 78, the pastor of First Beraca Baptist Church, where more than 200 people took shelter and survived. “In the next couple of weeks this will be a dangerous place to be.”
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September 08, 2019 2:13 PM
As storm-ravaged evacuees continued to abandon Abaco for Nassau, the Bahamas’ capital, on Sunday, concerns and fears were mounting nearly 300 miles away in Florida over the fate of the Haitian survivors.
The worries of South Florida’s Haitian community are rooted in the Bahamas’ history of xenophobia and contempt for Haitian migrants amid an illegal migration problem. They have gained momentum as unconfirmed photos of dead Haitians inside a church and hate-filled anti-Haitian voice notes get shared on the WhatsApp social media platform.
In one note, a woman with a Bahamian accent, responding to unfounded rumors that Haitians in Abaco were looting after Dorian, called for Haitians to be rounded up and shot in the head. Another viral note, this one by a Haitian man, accused the pastor of an influential Nassau-based mega church of preaching that Haitians are to blame for Dorian because of their belief and practice of Vodou.
Contacted by the Miami Herald, the pastor, Bishop Neil Ellis, was confused — and dismayed.
“That’s not even my theology that people are responsible for storms and hurricanes,” said Ellis, who said he was out of the country and had not preached since the hurricane. “That’s a part of nature; that’s climatic. That’s not people driven.”
Jean Claude Molien, 47, describes on Sept. 7, 2019, how the wind from Hurricane Dorian pushed the pews towards the altar and punctured a hole in the roof at Saint Francis Catholic Church in Marsh Harbour on Abaco Island. Al Diaz adiaz@miamiherald.com
Ellis said the only conversation he’s had about Haitians since Dorian was a private one. The topic of The Mudd, the destroyed Haitian shantytown in Abaco, was raised and whether the Bahamas should seek to deport Haitians.
“I said we can’t afford to do anything like that. They are our brothers and sisters,” Ellis said. “I have Haitians in my church. I have Haitian nationals on my staff. I don’t see why I would say something like that. I just hired a planeload of stuff to send to a shelter in Nassau where a lot of Haitians are.“
Djenane St. Fleur, an advocate in Broward County, said alarms are being raised in South Florida’s Haitian-American community because Haitian nationals in the Bahamas are being asked to present legal documentation in order to receive aid. She said the community needs to move cautiously.
“This happened to everybody in the Bahamas, whether they were Haitians or non-Haitians,” St. Fleur said about Dorian’s devastation. “Everybody who’s living in the Bahamas is suffering.
I immediately checked the Miami Herald and found that
Long scorned in the Bahamas, Haitians living there fear what comes next after Dorian | Miami Herald
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Americas
Long scorned in the Bahamas, Haitians living there fear what comes next after Dorian
By Jacqueline Charles and
Jim Wyss
September 08, 2019 07:55 PM, Updated September 09, 2019 06:52 PM
Current Time 1:19
/
Duration 1:51
First Beraca Baptist Church Pastor Pasterain Sitoir describes sanitary conditions and his account of Hurricane Dorian inside the church, in Marsh Harbour on Abaco Island on Sunday, September 8, 2019. By Al Diaz
MARSH HARBOUR, THE BAHAMAS
Hurricane Dorian, the most catastrophic storm to hit the Bahamas, has upended everyday routines.
On Sunday, St. Francis Catholic Church, an imposing round structure on a hill in Abaco, was still being used as an emergency shelter. All of its occupants were Haitians and Haitian Bahamians.
It was one of the few churches standing in a Haitian community where many houses of worship either collapsed or were partially destroyed.
“This storm did not carry only houses but ... people too; so many people get killed they don’t have time to pick them up,” said Pasterain Sitoir, 78, the pastor of First Beraca Baptist Church, where more than 200 people took shelter and survived. “In the next couple of weeks this will be a dangerous place to be.”
Read Next
hurricane
Counting bodies ‘not the priority’: Bahamas not lying about Dorian deaths, health chief says
September 08, 2019 2:13 PM
As storm-ravaged evacuees continued to abandon Abaco for Nassau, the Bahamas’ capital, on Sunday, concerns and fears were mounting nearly 300 miles away in Florida over the fate of the Haitian survivors.
The worries of South Florida’s Haitian community are rooted in the Bahamas’ history of xenophobia and contempt for Haitian migrants amid an illegal migration problem. They have gained momentum as unconfirmed photos of dead Haitians inside a church and hate-filled anti-Haitian voice notes get shared on the WhatsApp social media platform.
In one note, a woman with a Bahamian accent, responding to unfounded rumors that Haitians in Abaco were looting after Dorian, called for Haitians to be rounded up and shot in the head. Another viral note, this one by a Haitian man, accused the pastor of an influential Nassau-based mega church of preaching that Haitians are to blame for Dorian because of their belief and practice of Vodou.
Contacted by the Miami Herald, the pastor, Bishop Neil Ellis, was confused — and dismayed.
“That’s not even my theology that people are responsible for storms and hurricanes,” said Ellis, who said he was out of the country and had not preached since the hurricane. “That’s a part of nature; that’s climatic. That’s not people driven.”
Jean Claude Molien, 47, describes on Sept. 7, 2019, how the wind from Hurricane Dorian pushed the pews towards the altar and punctured a hole in the roof at Saint Francis Catholic Church in Marsh Harbour on Abaco Island. Al Diaz adiaz@miamiherald.com
Ellis said the only conversation he’s had about Haitians since Dorian was a private one. The topic of The Mudd, the destroyed Haitian shantytown in Abaco, was raised and whether the Bahamas should seek to deport Haitians.
“I said we can’t afford to do anything like that. They are our brothers and sisters,” Ellis said. “I have Haitians in my church. I have Haitian nationals on my staff. I don’t see why I would say something like that. I just hired a planeload of stuff to send to a shelter in Nassau where a lot of Haitians are.“
Djenane St. Fleur, an advocate in Broward County, said alarms are being raised in South Florida’s Haitian-American community because Haitian nationals in the Bahamas are being asked to present legal documentation in order to receive aid. She said the community needs to move cautiously.
“This happened to everybody in the Bahamas, whether they were Haitians or non-Haitians,” St. Fleur said about Dorian’s devastation. “Everybody who’s living in the Bahamas is suffering.
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Just letting you know I am moving posts from the other thread to this thread. Just saying you may lose the original OP spot of this thread. My apologies for that.
Just letting you know I am moving posts from the other thread to this thread. Just saying you may lose the original OP spot of this thread. My apologies for that.
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Secure Da Bag
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Well shyt. I have hate for @Scientific Playa now.
Damn, @Jesus is my protector you nuked my title too?
This is the official modern Haitian geopolitical, politics and event thread. Also stickied it.
@loyola llothta @For Da Bag @Get These Nets @ZoeGod @Dip @mson
I'll make it up to you breh.
@loyola llothta @For Da Bag @Get These Nets @ZoeGod @Dip @mson
Damn, @Jesus is my protector you nuked my title too?
I'll make it up to you breh.
I been following the events in Haiti closely and there's a lot of shyt I wanna post.
Like others said I welcome the Russians especially if means fighting off USA/Core group meddling. Its how Cuba and Venezuela fought off the USA with the backing of another military powerful country. There needs to be balance and Russia and China offers that. I'm very surprised that the Russians have not hasn't backed the opposition in Haiti especially as a "fukk you" to the USA for their meddling in Venezuela with Juan Guaido. Haiti needs more alternatives to the USA/West and badly. Also I feel this can easily restore some "brain power" back into Haiti that was lost during the Papa Doc era.
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The last thing we need is another proxy war or worse yet invasion.
If the Haitian gov't were more competent (for lack of a better word), then this playing against both sides could work.Small countries like Haiti especially in a region like the Western Hampshire where you have a big monster(USA) will always be at the mercy of powers. The goal is to finesse them for better position. Like how Fidel did USA/Soviet Union or how Toussaint was doing the British, French and Spanish. You can't let the USA have a monopoly in the region. More alternatives the better.The last thing we need is another proxy war or worse yet invasion.
And yea we don't need a proxy war but.... USA is acting like it Haiti is that one child it can never let leave the house. I notice this more and more.
@loyola llothta I'm surprised you or anyone else hasn't addressed this. nikka feeling the pressure
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Trump Fires Bolton, Jovenel Moïse's Ally in Washington
Trump Fires Bolton, Jovenel Moïse's Ally in Washington
Jovenel Moïse no longer has the support of the United States and has already announced his intention to resign, "says a former minister Tèt Kale
Jovenel Moïse n’a plus le soutien des États-Unis et a déjà manifesté son intention de démissionner », assure un ex ministre Tèt Kale
Yep, he's becoming more and more isolated especially now that the nutcase known as John Bolton is out of the picture. John Bolton who was one of Moise's biggest American supporter. It is only inevitable that he resigns at least by next year. Even the Miami Herald who were pro-Moise govt turned on him with this article. The real issue is what happens next because we know the elites have some thing up their sleeves and are just sacrificing Moise plus it is doubtful the opposition will remain united after this.
Thoughts everyone?
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idk about this, read up on how the USSR basically abandoned Cuba when they needed them most post the revolution once the US started putting real pressure on them during the cold War. Not saying this isn't good in the short term but long term history as shown nothing good will come
When did USSR completely abandon Cuba? I know they were cut out from the Cuban Missile Crisis talks but other than that I can't think of any other event where Cuba was "abandoned" especially when the USSR was Cuba's biggest financial backer until the collapse. What other alternatives are there? Russia is one reason Venezuela or Syria has not been invaded. Point is there should not be one power on the globe. And the USA has made it clear that it does not want the Caribbean/Latin America to determined their own future. Any future that doesn't fit their one they act upon it with aggression.
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Both China and Russia wont force they hand just like venezuela with the Petro-caribe program. i think its more about waiting until someone get in power to sign off deals that being offered and building strong relationship afterwards between each other. so when it comes to china/Russia it doesn't matter what political party in power, its more about who will join them to take they offer but we know the haitian elite and neo-Duvalierists will stick to the criminal mafioso business the US help created for them in Haiti. Also in Haiti PHTK is killing the "brain power " by murdering the opposition and the youth
Now i know China try to build relationship with Haiti about 9 years ago when they try to fund and rebuild(redo) PAP airport but the US got involved and dead the deal. fast foward two years ago China try to add Haiti to the road and belt but the US got involved again and dead the deal. When the UN occupation mission(2004) launch China and Russia (who both have seats in the U.N at the time) were both on board (or agreed if i remember right), with Russian i believe sending off two(or small number) military people down. Just a few months ago (about April)
the UN renew the new UN mission(basically the same mission before) with Haiti until Oct. 9 (i think), with only Russia and DR abstained to the 16-0 UN vote
The difference between Haiti and Cuba/Venezuela is the US-installed puppet in Haiti is still in power with the new-old army retrained by the UN and the core group waiting to launch any min.
sadly this whole 15+ US proxy UN occupation mission and the core group planned almost end up to nothing because those c00n ass ex- haitian military fake rebels in 2004 almost lost. the first time they try to overtake haiti a few of them got killed in north Haiti and the ring leader Guy Philippe escape through the border to DR and the DR government kept him safe from extradition (saying haiti dont have extradition laws with them). the c00ns regroup in DR and Panama to recruit more ex military c00ns and death squad leaders .....
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