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lol you dont need to tell me about CW...i know the eras lol....far from a Roy hater but its disingenuous to say could have won the CW title when he actually made attempts to do it...doesn't matter if he did outside of his prime or that he didn't do in his prime.

I said he could’ve won just like Manny. You are saying he couldn’t have because he tried. So you giving Manny a pass because he didn’t try? You would have a point if Roy didn’t win a title at heavyweight so your logic is flawed. So Duran, Mosley and JMM couldn’t have won titles at 140? That’s the same thing except you discrediting Roy for actually trying when he was a mere shell of himself. So Dariusz could win 175lb title and a CW title while Roy wins 175 and HW title but Roy at no point could win a CW title. Yeah you hating for sure on that.

A good case on your point would be Broner. That’s a better example than Roy. A good case on my point would be Byrd. He beat Uriah Grant who later became a CW champ, after being a HW champ moved to 175 and got stopped by Shaun George. So Byrd could’ve never been a 175lb titlist because he went to HW before he got a shot?

We being serious here or we trolling?

 

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ppl thinking the likes of Wilder should get in the HOF

Wilder would not get my vote. He just didn’t have the quality of opposition in those defenses. Some people thought Pipino Quevas was a weaker entry and his resume is much better. If his career is not over he has a chance say if he could win a title from say Dubois and beat another good name like even an AJ. He could have some consideration. Other than that he would need to beat Usyk.

 

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I said he could’ve won just like Manny. You are saying he couldn’t have because he tried. So you giving Manny a pass because he didn’t try? You would have a point if Roy didn’t win a title at heavyweight so your logic is flawed. So Duran, Mosley and JMM couldn’t have won titles at 140? That’s the same thing except you discrediting Roy for actually trying when he was a mere shell of himself. So Dariusz could win 175lb title and a CW title while Roy wins 175 and HW title but Roy at no point could win a CW title. Yeah you hating for sure on that.

A good case on your point would be Broner. That’s a better example than Roy. A good case on my point would be Byrd. He beat Uriah Grant who later became a CW champ, after being a HW champ moved to 175 and got stopped by Shaun George. So Byrd could’ve never been a 175lb titlist because he went to HW before he got a shot?

We being serious here or we trolling?

youre speaking on hypotheticals..im speaking strictly to say roy never made a run at CW is simply not true..could he have tried and beat CW champs around his LHW era up to Ruiz..of course...he would have been the favorite to beat any of the guys but im saying we cannot ignore the fact he did eventually make a CW run past prime..if he never did then yeah i can rock with that like the 154 shyt...but no one fights lebedev or danny green just for shyts and giggles breh

 

[patscorpio]

You think he rested on his laurels after that Wlad win?

nah sanders liked playing golf more than boxing..that was his thing

 

[UpAndComing]

nah sanders liked playing golf more than boxing..that was his thing

Which is odd. He was closer to being a World champion in Boxing then he was to winning a PGA Tour, but whatever... his life I guess lol

 

[JamesJabdi]

 

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youre speaking on hypotheticals..im speaking strictly to say roy never made a run at CW is simply not true..could he have tried and beat CW champs around his LHW era up to Ruiz..of course...he would have been the favorite to beat any of the guys but im saying we cannot ignore the fact he did eventually make a CW run past prime..if he never did then yeah i can rock with that like the 154 shyt...but no one fights lebedev or danny green just for shyts and giggles breh

My initial post was hypothetical of course. You just can’t be serious though if you think Roy could beat Ruiz but not the guys closer to his size, some of which he beat already. I don’t ever want to hear you say anything about discounting a soul for competing far past their prime or you gonna get the full force.

 

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[patscorpio]

My initial post was hypothetical of course. You just can’t be serious though if you think Roy could beat Ruiz but not the guys closer to his size, some of which he beat already. I don’t ever want to hear you say anything about discounting a soul for competing far past their prime or you gonna get the full force.

Who is discounting..Roy is an ATG and thee best offensive fighter boxing has seen of the last 30 something years. No one uses his past prime fights against the totality of his career. His CW run was just not successful that's all.

 

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I wish he would have kept this more of a”idk” people gonna say he coming for the person who gave him his best win but he is right.

Spence wins over Brook, Mikey, Porter, Danny, and Ugas are high quality but not enough. I don’t think beating Fundora will do it either but would put him closer. A strong 3 wins at 154-160 gets him in.

 

[patscorpio]

I wish he would have kept this more of a”idk” people gonna say he coming for the person who gave him his best win but he is right.

Spence wins over Brook, Mikey, Porter, Danny, and Ugas are high quality but not enough. I don’t think beating Fundora will do it either but would put him closer. A strong 3 wins at 154-160 gets him in.

The only fighter on the PBC side that's earned HOF talks is Mell. Everyone else hasnt done enough. I was flabbergasted when ppl were saying if Spence beats Fundora he should go in

 

[patscorpio]

 

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Who is discounting..Roy is an ATG and thee best offensive fighter boxing has seen of the last 30 something years. No one uses his past prime fights against the totality of his career. His CW run was just not successful that's all.

listen close to what I am saying. you are giving him a strike at CW when he fought there as a shell of himself. we know he couldve had a title there pre-2003 for sure but maybe a lot later than that. thats all I am saying. I would TOTALLY agree with you had Roy never went past CW, then we can really say we dont know. You may even be able to cast some doubt on him beating Hill at CW. but the man went from 175 to 200 and beat Ruiz....while one of the CW champs was a guy he destroyed. The Tarver fight was one of the worst decisions ever in boxing. His own coach said before the fight he didnt agree with it. A lot of people were wondering what was Roy thinking, not necessarily by facing Tarver but facing him sooooooo soon after bulking up to 200. This is the period where most felt he should have jumped in CW but Roy was all about the money and he didnt want to give up that 175 belt.

 

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The only fighter on the PBC side that's earned HOF talks is Mell. Everyone else hasnt done enough. I was flabbergasted when ppl were saying if Spence beats Fundora he should go in

no, Fundora doesnt get him in. its the start though. if he beats him and thats a BIG IF....then he would need at least a couple more STRONG wins at 154 or 160. all of this is wishful thinking anyhow because Spence is finished. does he have another good fight in him? I believe so...but a good 4-5 fight run, naw. I actually like Thurman's chances better. He can beat Tszyu and he may stop him. then he is only a couple strong fights away.

 

[JamesJabdi]

I wish he would have kept this more of a”idk” people gonna say he coming for the person who gave him his best win but he is right.

Spence wins over Brook, Mikey, Porter, Danny, and Ugas are high quality but not enough. I don’t think beating Fundora will do it either but would put him closer. A strong 3 wins at 154-160 gets him in.

I dont think dudes understand how bad it looks on him when they keep downplaying Spence....somehow Spence wasn't that nice but he is your best win and you supposedly an ATG like what type of babble is this