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That said, what makes you think Spence or any of Showtime's top roster (who they just did a grand roll out for) would be fighting on ESPN? To ignore the networks/business side is lazy, just to say somebody is hiding behind the networks/business. It works both ways.


That's why I said:

You also made it very clear a few weeks ago that a fight between them (PBC fighters) and Crawford cant happen bc of the ESPN deal, so it's no point in #TruthSeekers even engaging a Trainer throwing rocks from behind an electrical fence that Bob put up for them:manny:



Spence, nor Derrick James, is saying anything about Crawford....so why would Crawford's team throw shots knowing they cant fight Spence?:jbhmm:


It's easy to throw shots when you know the fight wont happen. Team Spence has said nothing about Crawford, this is the 2nd or 3rd time I've read/heard someone from Team Crawford say something out the way towards Spence though:patrice:



You said it yourself:

Let's not act like Spence wasn't on ESPN telling Crawford to establish himself, then holla. :mjpls:

Suddenly he caught some of the Keiths.



So, I'll leave with this again:


It's no point in #TruthSeekers even engaging a Trainer throwing rocks from behind an electrical fence that Bob put up for them:manny:



The Seekers don't chase prey who aren't even in the same part of the jungle...yall got our name in yall's mouth, but yet, the fight cant be made. It's easy to do that when there's 0 chance of fighting someone:hubie:
 

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Not posting the full article but apparently Thurman's interview with Iole was full of clown shyt, this nikka career turning into a joke, dude talking like he's in the victory lap of his career on some Floyd or Manny shyt

Keith Thurman says comeback opponent might not be a top 10 contender » Boxing News

By Jeff Aranow: Keith ‘One Time’ Thurman (28-0, 22 KOs) says his comeback opponent might not be a top 10 ranked contender for his fight on Showtime Boxing on May 19 at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York.


Thurman was rumored to be fighting Jessie Vargas next, but that’s not happening. Thurman says it’s going to be someone potentially outside of the top 10 for his comeback fight. Thurman is still calling the entire 2018 as his “get back year.”


Thurman says for his second fight of the 2 fights he’s planning for 2018, it could be a top 5 to 7 contender. If that’s the case, then it rules out Thurman fighting rematches against #1 WBC Shawn Porter or #2 WBC Danny Garcia. Both of those guys are hoping they can get a fight against Thurman this year, but doesn’t look like that’s going to happen.
 

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Spence, nor Derrick James, is saying anything about Crawford....so why would Crawford's team throw shots knowing they cant fight Spence?

It's no point in #TruthSeekers even engaging a Trainer throwing rocks from behind an electrical fence that Bob put up for them:manny:


The Seekers don't chase prey who aren't even in the same part of the jungle...yall got our name in yall's mouth, but yet, the fight cant be made. It's easy to do that when there's 0 chance of fighting someone:hubie:

You missing my point tho. You're attributing the obstacle solely to ESPN and Bob, and I'm saying Showtime and AL are equal obstacles since a deal works both ways and they are in competition with each other.. In actuality, PBC-Sho have more reason to block that fight than TR, since TC is with TR and PBC-Sho controlling the chessboard atm.

These dudes get asked questions all day everyday, the same questions...about potential fights, a headline comes out, its the fight game. So Crawford-Spence shouldn't even talk about each other now? Even though a majority of the boxing community would love to see it. These the type of headlines ironically that could push and force a fight. Maybe Team Spence responds and there it begins...
:manny:

And breh, aint no yall, ours, or us. I'm not with Team Crawford and you aint with Team Spence. I never been against Spence. I support both fighters equally.
 

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You missing my point tho. You're attributing the obstacle solely to ESPN and Bob, and I'm saying Showtime and AL are equal obstacles since a deal works both ways and they are in competition with each other.. In actuality, PBC-Sho have more reason to block that fight than TR, since TC is with TR and PBC-Sho controlling the chessboard atm.

These dudes get asked questions all day everyday, the same questions...about potential fights, a headline comes out, its the fight game. So Crawford-Spence shouldn't even talk about each other now? Even though a majority of the boxing community would love to see it. These the type of headlines ironically that could push and force a fight. Maybe Team Spence responds and there it begins...
:manny:


And breh, aint no yall, ours, or us. I'm not with Team Crawford and you aint with Team Spence. I never been against Spence. I support both fighters equally.

Yeah, I am because they the ones throwing shots. It's easy to talk trash to me behind a bulletproof window:yeshrug:


As for the 2nd bolded, not really...not unless the fight can actually be made or else it would be turned into a back & forth, "you're ducking me" "no you're ducking me" situation. Only people throwing shots, and knowing they cant fight anytime soon due to political reasons, is Team Crawford. I think that's kinda weak breh:hubie:


And no, I am down with Team Spence...there is an "us" here, bc Im that big of a fan where Im willing to put my money up to support the movement. That's like saying that because you're not literally apart of the Saints/Lakers, you cant refer to them as "ours" or "us"...I disagree with that thought.:ld:


At the end of the day, I know you like both of em, so I don't want to separate you in that fashion (either Team Crawford or Team Spence), but Im just not down with Team Crawford talking trash when it's 0 opportunity to fight anytime soon:manny:



Crawford's thoughts:

Crawford Believes He Will Eventually Fight Spence and Thurman

"Bob Arum has stated plenty of times that there is nothing stopping us from working with the PBC fighters. If you can recall, Felix Diaz and John Molina were PBC fighters and I fought both of them," Crawford told Yahoo Sports.

"I don't think there is anything stopping that. It just has to make sense for both parties. They are not going to send one of their A-side fighters over to ESPN if the deal is not right or make sense. And Bob is not going to send me over to Showtime if the deal is not right. It has to be an even playing field."


So...Arum needs to open up the checkbook, $4.5 million or more, if Crawford wants to face Spence. If not, they talking fake chickens over there by throwing shots at Spence.
 
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Shouldn't matter I thought t craw was the best in the world. If horn and benavidez are the best Bob can do, t craw need to jump ship
Jumping ship from TR? Sounds good in theory however there are serious problems with it in practice, a possible career suicide and a surefire 1 year + inactivity

Arum puts contract extensions together with fights, well before the fighter’s contract would expire. If he doesn’t sign it Arum knows he wanna leave so he cuts him off, no fight for him until his contract expires, then he is free to go... so 1 and a half year or so inactivity and lack of salary. He pretty much forces them to extend the contract... just not directly so it’s legal

If the fighter doesn’t give a fukk and just breaches the contract then lawsuits start and then that blocks them from fighting for a year or two or more, see Mikey Garcia
Again the long inactivity and no payments

After that long inactivity who knows how he comes back...
And then look at the situation

Staying with TR with guaranteed payments, guaranteed activity and he has a chance to raise his profile with let’s say beating up on Pac and then going against the likes of Thurman or Spence sometimes later, like late 2019 or 2020 as a name who holds water and can claim 40 to 60 percent of the splits

VS

Spending time on court or just simply staying inactive for a long time while his profile drops and then around the same time as normally or later (especially if he wants tuneups after a long layoff) fighting Thurman, Soence etc... with claiming only 30% of the split or so and coming in older and inactive so with much less chance than in the first scenario.

Which one would you choose?

Only possibility to break off is a buyout but not sure if Crawford has the money for that, buyouts usually cost irreal amounts of money. Sure Mayweather could buy himself out, doubt Crawford could do it at this point.
 

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Jumping ship from TR? Sounds good in theory however there are serious problems with it in practice, a possible career suicide and a surefire 1 year + inactivity

Arum puts contract extensions together with fights, well before the fighter’s contract would expire. If he doesn’t sign it Arum knows he wanna leave so he cuts him off, no fight for him until his contract expires, then he is free to go... so 1 and a half year or so inactivity and lack of salary. He pretty much forces them to extend the contract... just not directly so it’s legal

If the fighter doesn’t give a fukk and just breaches the contract then lawsuits start and then that blocks them from fighting for a year or two or more, see Mikey Garcia
Again the long inactivity and no payments

After that long inactivity who knows how he comes back...
And then look at the situation

Staying with TR with guaranteed payments, guaranteed activity and he has a chance to raise his profile with let’s say beating up on Pac and then going against the likes of Thurman or Spence sometimes later, like late 2019 or 2020 as a name who holds water and can claim 40 to 60 percent of the splits

VS

Spending time on court or just simply staying inactive for a long time while his profile drops and then around the same time as normally or later (especially if he wants tuneups after a long layoff) fighting Thurman, Soence etc... with claiming only 30% of the split or so and coming in older and inactive so with much less chance than in the first scenario.

Which one would you choose?

Only possibility to break off is a buyout but not sure if Crawford has the money for that, buyouts usually cost irreal amounts of money. Sure Mayweather could buy himself out, doubt Crawford could do it at this point.
Bob a damn crook
 
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